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Re: Trump Or Harris
Reply #180 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:02pm:

With Jewish space lasers?

Trump is a rapist and convicted criminal who stole money from charities, incited an insurrection, buried his wife on a golf course, was best friends with a convicted child sex offender, and repeated numerous times that he wanted to screw his own daughter.

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Reply #181 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:12pm

I was chatting to a coder about the video showing the machine vote rigging and this is how he explained it to me roughly.
You have to look closer at the video and note the greyed selections on the left everyone misses and doesn't comment on as well as the actual candidate names people are focussed on he thinks.

He obviously doesn't know the actual system or get to see the full picture but surmises the voter chooses the party (greyed selection on the left) and then the candidate. If you look closely on the left you will see the voter incorrectly chooses a non republican party and then tries to choose Trump.
He doesn't select a democrat party either so in theory he shouldn't have been able to choose Harris either, if that is the way voting works over there. It is of course possible you are able to choose a party for say a senate vote and then a separate choice for President in which case it should have let him choose Trump. He doesn't know the system.

Either way the fact that it defaulted to Harris is the concern. He says it's possible to have everything else coded correctly, ie; select Republican party then select Trump or select Democrat then select Harris and it all works fine but effectively have a default to Harris for "exceptions" where dumb-arses get it wrong and keep pushing buttons. This can be worked into systems just by sheer code length of re-tries whilst appearing to be coded correctly when investigated as if you push the right buttons, you can select your candidate.
This would be a clever way to collect Democrat/Harris votes without anyone really being able to replicate the error. Repeated throughout the country, the Democrats would pick up thousands of accidental votes for themselves and the company could claim simple unplanned error, even when investigated properly. He explained this stuff can and is used throughout the coding industry to surreptitiously obtain desired results whilst appearing to be all above board.

It's complex and beyond discovery for all but really in depth, knowledgeable experts and even then able to be dismissed as accidental. If all are linked to a central coding system you can literally set it up and then alter it afterwards with no-way anyone can really track that alteration time of occurrence as well apparently.

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Re: Trump Or Harris
Reply #182 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:02pm:

With Jewish space lasers?

Trump is a rapist and convicted criminal who stole money from charities, incited an insurrection, buried his wife on a golf course, was best friends with a convicted child sex offender, and repeated numerous times that he wanted to screw his own daughter.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/168/203/527/original/e73a28...

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-808212

Between the war's start last October and recent days,
the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs,
6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles,
1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs,
and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

US has sent Israel thousands of 2,000-pound bombs since Oct. 7
While the officials didn't give a timeline for the shipments, the totals suggest there has been no significant drop-off in US military support for its ally.

By REUTERS
JUNE 28, 2024 23:51
Updated: JUNE 29, 2024 03:59

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105564 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Trump Or Harris Reply #183 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 8:56pm
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Trump Or Harris Reply #184 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 11:16pm I'm sure Trump will win, but it depends on how effective the Democrats cheating plays out
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Re: Trump Or Harris
Reply #185 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 12:17am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:02pm:

With Jewish space lasers?

Trump is a rapist and convicted criminal who stole money from charities, incited an insurrection, buried his wife on a golf course, was best friends with a convicted child sex offender, and repeated numerous times that he wanted to screw his own daughter.

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/168/203/527/original/e73a28...

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-808212

Between the war's start last October and recent days,
the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs,
6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles,
1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs,
and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

US has sent Israel thousands of 2,000-pound bombs since Oct. 7
While the officials didn't give a timeline for the shipments, the totals suggest there has been no significant drop-off in US military support for its ally.

By REUTERS
JUNE 28, 2024 23:51
Updated: JUNE 29, 2024 03:59

I see. So how many were sent over from 2017 to 2021, Bobi?

Aquascoot calls it the Stalingrad solution. Your DL said he wants Gaza cleared out for beachside development.

You?

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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13663 Colorado Gender:	Re: Trump Or Harris Reply #187 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 6:38am Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 11:16pm: I'm sure Trump will win, but it depends on how effective the Democrats cheating plays out You're a silly, stupid person
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Re: Trump Or Harris
Reply #188 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:14am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 11:16pm:

I'm sure Trump will win, but it depends on how effective the Democrats cheating plays out

What cheating? No proof of this was put forth by Trump or his cronies after he lost the last election, and he had more than 60 court cases worth of opportunity to show proof - any proof. What happened? He couldn't produce any and lost every single court case, including many in front of judges appointed by his administration. So what does that tell you? If you honestly think the election is rigged or the Democrats are cheating, I'll pay for your train ticket to the loony farm.

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Re: Trump Or Harris
Reply #189 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:22am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 11:16pm:

I'm sure Trump will win, but it depends on how effective the Democrats cheating plays out

What cheating? No proof of this was put forth by Trump or his cronies after he lost the last election, and he had more than 60 court cases worth of opportunity to show proof - any proof. What happened? He couldn't produce any and lost every single court case, including many in front of judges appointed by his administration. So what does that tell you? If you honestly think the election is rigged or the Democrats are cheating, I'll pay for your train ticket to the loony farm.

Rudy - "I was just tucking my shirt in" - Giuliani even admitted that they had no evidence of election fraud.

When asked to present his evidence, he responded with "We’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence".

Trump's own Cyber Ninjas, who did a detailed audit, found no evidence of election fraud that would have benefited Trump.

They did, however, find more votes for Biden.

That's Trump's own people.

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Re: Trump Or Harris
Reply #190 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:32am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 11:16pm:

I'm sure Trump will win, but it depends on how effective the Democrats cheating plays out

What cheating? No proof of this was put forth by Trump or his cronies after he lost the last election, and he had more than 60 court cases worth of opportunity to show proof - any proof. What happened? He couldn't produce any and lost every single court case, including many in front of judges appointed by his administration. So what does that tell you? If you honestly think the election is rigged or the Democrats are cheating, I'll pay for your train ticket to the loony farm.

Rudy - "I was just tucking my shirt in" - Giuliani even admitted that they had no evidence of election fraud.

When asked to present his evidence, he responded with "We’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence".

Trump's own Cyber Ninjas, who did a detailed audit, found no evidence of election fraud that would have benefited Trump.

They did, however, find more votes for Biden.

That's Trump's own people.

The problem is that the members of the MAGA cult will believe unquestionably whatever Trump tells them about this election. He could tell them that Harris is a shape-shifting alien hellbent on global domination and they'd believe him without a second thought. Well, maybe not that, but they do not question Trumps' outrageous claims at all. I recently saw a video online where a journalist went to a Trump rally and asked MAGA cult members what they thought of this quote or that quote, which they purported to have been said by Trump. The problem was, these quotes were never said by Trump - they were said by some of the most evil dictators in the world, including one quote by Hitler. When they thought it was Trump who said it, they were all for it, but when the reporter said, "oh, sorry - I misspoke, it wasn't Trump who said that it was actually Adolf Hitler!" and you should've seen them stumble over themselves. It was pathetic and honestly quite sad and scary that these imbeciles are allowed to vote and that they support Trump regardless.

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Re: Trump Or Harris
Reply #191 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:49am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 11:16pm:

I'm sure Trump will win, but it depends on how effective the Democrats cheating plays out

What cheating? No proof of this was put forth by Trump or his cronies after he lost the last election, and he had more than 60 court cases worth of opportunity to show proof - any proof. What happened? He couldn't produce any and lost every single court case, including many in front of judges appointed by his administration. So what does that tell you? If you honestly think the election is rigged or the Democrats are cheating, I'll pay for your train ticket to the loony farm.

Rudy - "I was just tucking my shirt in" - Giuliani even admitted that they had no evidence of election fraud.

When asked to present his evidence, he responded with "We’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence".

Trump's own Cyber Ninjas, who did a detailed audit, found no evidence of election fraud that would have benefited Trump.

They did, however, find more votes for Biden.

That's Trump's own people.

The problem is that the members of the MAGA cult will believe unquestionably whatever Trump tells them about this election. He could tell them that Harris is a shape-shifting alien hellbent on global domination and they'd believe him without a second thought. Well, maybe not that, but they do not question Trumps' outrageous claims at all. I recently saw a video online where a journalist went to a Trump rally and asked MAGA cult members what they thought of this quote or that quote, which they purported to have been said by Trump. The problem was, these quotes were never said by Trump - they were said by some of the most evil dictators in the world, including one quote by Hitler. When they thought it was Trump who said it, they were all for it, but when the reporter said, "oh, sorry - I misspoke, it wasn't Trump who said that it was actually Adolf Hitler!" and you should've seen them stumble over themselves. It was pathetic and honestly quite sad and scary that these imbeciles are allowed to vote and that they support Trump regardless.

Yeah, I've seen that video.

Frightening.

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Re: Trump Or Harris
Reply #192 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:59am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:49am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 11:16pm:

I'm sure Trump will win, but it depends on how effective the Democrats cheating plays out

What cheating? No proof of this was put forth by Trump or his cronies after he lost the last election, and he had more than 60 court cases worth of opportunity to show proof - any proof. What happened? He couldn't produce any and lost every single court case, including many in front of judges appointed by his administration. So what does that tell you? If you honestly think the election is rigged or the Democrats are cheating, I'll pay for your train ticket to the loony farm.

Rudy - "I was just tucking my shirt in" - Giuliani even admitted that they had no evidence of election fraud.

When asked to present his evidence, he responded with "We’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence".

Trump's own Cyber Ninjas, who did a detailed audit, found no evidence of election fraud that would have benefited Trump.

They did, however, find more votes for Biden.

That's Trump's own people.

The problem is that the members of the MAGA cult will believe unquestionably whatever Trump tells them about this election. He could tell them that Harris is a shape-shifting alien hellbent on global domination and they'd believe him without a second thought. Well, maybe not that, but they do not question Trumps' outrageous claims at all. I recently saw a video online where a journalist went to a Trump rally and asked MAGA cult members what they thought of this quote or that quote, which they purported to have been said by Trump. The problem was, these quotes were never said by Trump - they were said by some of the most evil dictators in the world, including one quote by Hitler. When they thought it was Trump who said it, they were all for it, but when the reporter said, "oh, sorry - I misspoke, it wasn't Trump who said that it was actually Adolf Hitler!" and you should've seen them stumble over themselves. It was pathetic and honestly quite sad and scary that these imbeciles are allowed to vote and that they support Trump regardless.

Yeah, I've seen that video.

Frightening.

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Re: Trump Or Harris
Reply #193 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 12:07pm

goosecat wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 7:12pm:

I was chatting to a coder about the video showing the machine vote rigging and this is how he explained it to me roughly.
You have to look closer at the video and note the greyed selections on the left everyone misses and doesn't comment on as well as the actual candidate names people are focussed on he thinks.

He obviously doesn't know the actual system or get to see the full picture but surmises the voter chooses the party (greyed selection on the left) and then the candidate. If you look closely on the left you will see the voter incorrectly chooses a non republican party and then tries to choose Trump.
He doesn't select a democrat party either so in theory he shouldn't have been able to choose Harris either, if that is the way voting works over there. It is of course possible you are able to choose a party for say a senate vote and then a separate choice for President in which case it should have let him choose Trump. He doesn't know the system.

Either way the fact that it defaulted to Harris is the concern. He says it's possible to have everything else coded correctly, ie; select Republican party then select Trump or select Democrat then select Harris and it all works fine but effectively have a default to Harris for "exceptions" where dumb-arses get it wrong and keep pushing buttons. This can be worked into systems just by sheer code length of re-tries whilst appearing to be coded correctly when investigated as if you push the right buttons, you can select your candidate.
This would be a clever way to collect Democrat/Harris votes without anyone really being able to replicate the error. Repeated throughout the country, the Democrats would pick up thousands of accidental votes for themselves and the company could claim simple unplanned error, even when investigated properly. He explained this stuff can and is used throughout the coding industry to surreptitiously obtain desired results whilst appearing to be all above board.

It's complex and beyond discovery for all but really in depth, knowledgeable experts and even then able to be dismissed as accidental. If all are linked to a central coding system you can literally set it up and then alter it afterwards with no-way anyone can really track that alteration time of occurrence as well apparently.

yeah

a lot of the computer geeks say it should be paper ballots counted by humans

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Reply #194 - Nov 5^th, 2024 at 12:22pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:49am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:22am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 5^th, 2024 at 11:14am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 11:16pm:

I'm sure Trump will win, but it depends on how effective the Democrats cheating plays out

What cheating? No proof of this was put forth by Trump or his cronies after he lost the last election, and he had more than 60 court cases worth of opportunity to show proof - any proof. What happened? He couldn't produce any and lost every single court case, including many in front of judges appointed by his administration. So what does that tell you? If you honestly think the election is rigged or the Democrats are cheating, I'll pay for your train ticket to the loony farm.

Rudy - "I was just tucking my shirt in" - Giuliani even admitted that they had no evidence of election fraud.

When asked to present his evidence, he responded with "We’ve got lots of theories, we just don’t have the evidence".

Trump's own Cyber Ninjas, who did a detailed audit, found no evidence of election fraud that would have benefited Trump.

They did, however, find more votes for Biden.

That's Trump's own people.

The problem is that the members of the MAGA cult will believe unquestionably whatever Trump tells them about this election. He could tell them that Harris is a shape-shifting alien hellbent on global domination and they'd believe him without a second thought. Well, maybe not that, but they do not question Trumps' outrageous claims at all. I recently saw a video online where a journalist went to a Trump rally and asked MAGA cult members what they thought of this quote or that quote, which they purported to have been said by Trump. The problem was, these quotes were never said by Trump - they were said by some of the most evil dictators in the world, including one quote by Hitler. When they thought it was Trump who said it, they were all for it, but when the reporter said, "oh, sorry - I misspoke, it wasn't Trump who said that it was actually Adolf Hitler!" and you should've seen them stumble over themselves. It was pathetic and honestly quite sad and scary that these imbeciles are allowed to vote and that they support Trump regardless.

Yeah, I've seen that video.

Frightening.

As I said, frightening.

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