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Crapocracy? India ‘one of the worst autocratisers’
Aug 1st, 2024 at 2:39pm
 
Prime Minister Modi is a corrupt, incompetent grifter who will leave India in a worse state than when he commenced his tenure.

India is the worst democracy ever and the worst capitalist economy.

The India crapocracy cannot lift itself out of its own sh*t as the rest of the world evolves and progresses.

India should be thrown out of the UN as failed state.

"India’s capital choked on toxic fumes Tuesday, as a thick and pungent haze spread from a fire at a towering trash dump, the latest in a series of landfill blazes that authorities have struggled for years to bring under control."

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India ‘one of the worst autocratisers’: V-Dem report on democracy

Noting that almost all components of democracy were getting worse in more countries than they were getting better, the report singled out freedom of expression, clean elections, and freedom of association/civil society as the three worst affected components in autocratising countries

March 11, 2024 08:25 pm | Updated 09:18 pm IST - NEW DELHI

India, which was downgraded to the status of an “electoral autocracy” in 2018, has declined even further on multiple metrics to emerge as “one of the worst autocratizers”, according to the ‘Democracy Report 2024’ released by the Gothenburg-based V-Dem Institute that tracks democratic freedoms worldwide.

The V-Dem report categorises countries into four regime types based on their score in the Liberal Democratic Index (LDI): Liberal Democracy, Electoral Democracy, Electoral Autocracy, and Closed Autocracy. Their annual report, which maps each country on a matrix of whether they are turning more democratic (‘democratising’) or more autocratic (‘autocratising’), stated that in 2023, 42 countries (home to 35% of the world’s population) were undergoing autocratisation. “India, with 18% of the world’s population, accounts for about half of the population living in autocratising countries,” the report said. Democratisation was taking place only in 18 countries, accounting for just 400 million people, or 5% of the world’s population.

According to the report, 71% of the world’s population — 5.7 billion people — live in autocracies, an increase from 48% ten years ago. The level of democracy enjoyed by the “average person in the world is down to 1985-levels”, the report said, with the sharpest decline occurring in Eastern Europe, and South and Central Asia.

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Noting that almost all components of democracy were getting worse in more countries than they were getting better, the report singled out freedom of expression, clean elections, and freedom of association/civil society as the three worst affected components of democracy in autocratising countries. The autonomy of the electoral management bodies “is weakening substantially in 22 of the 42 autocratising countries,” the report said.

South and Central Asia regressed significantly, with the level of “liberal democracy” enjoyed by the average Indian now “down to levels last seen in 1975….when Indira Gandhi declared a state of emergency in India”. As per the V-Dem classification, a liberal democracy is one where, in addition to the requirements of electoral democracy such as regular free and fair elections, mechanisms for judicial independence and constraints on executive overreach are robust, alongside rigorous protection of civil liberties and equality before law. In an electoral autocracy — the category India falls into — multiparty elections coexist with insufficient levels of basic requisites such as freedom of expression and free and fair elections.

Noting that India’s “autocratisation process has been well documented, including gradual but substantial deterioration of freedom of expression, compromising independence of the media, crackdowns on social media, harassments of journalists critical of the government, as well as attacks on civil society,” the report detailed how the “anti-pluralist” BJP government has “used laws on sedition, defamation, and counterterrorism to silence critics”.

“The Modi-led government also continues to suppress the freedom of religion rights. Intimidation of political opponents and people protesting government policies, as well as silencing of dissent in academia are now prevalent,” the report noted, adding that the only liberal democracy in the whole of South and Central Asia was Bhutan.

In a separate section on the 60 countries that go to the polls in 2024, the report observed that more than half of these (31) were in periods of democratic decline. Noting that elections on autocratising countries are “critical events” that can “either trigger democratisation, enable autocratisation, or aid stabilisation of autocratic regimes”, the report stated that “a majority” of elections in 2024 would be in highly contested spaces, making 2024 a critical year for the “future of democracy in the world”.
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Reply #1 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 6:28pm
 
Liberal democracy can't successfully govern  huge populations of poverty-ravaged, uneducated, subsistence farmers of many ethnicities, customs and religions.

Compare India with China (same size populations); China has greatly reduced pollution in its big cities, while growing its economy to four times the size of India's.

As for social stability, not mentioned in the "democracy" index: China compares more favourably than the US.... 
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As for social stability, not mentioned in the "democracy" index: China compares more favourably than the US....


When was the last time the US government killed 100 million of its own citizens?
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Reply #3 - Aug 1st, 2024 at 9:57pm
 
Starting in the 60s India invented jobs for people such as -

jobs requiring people to fill out forms to apply for forms and pay a fee.
That created more paperwork and public servants to administer.

example -
if you wanted a drivers license you had to fill out a form and pay a fee
to apply for the form to fill out to get a drivers license.

I notice some Govt. organisations in Australia doing the same now
when you want to do things such as get water meters or electricity put
on for new places or even upgrading old places.

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Reply #4 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 12:37pm
 
I think India can find her own footing in the world in the coming decade.   Yes, there are many challenges, but thats like every other country in the world, we all have our own challenges.
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Liberal democracy can't successfully govern  huge populations of poverty-ravaged, uneducated, subsistence farmers of many ethnicities, customs and religions.


That's how every liberal democracy started. The strong correlation between liberal democracy and wealth is not because liberal democracy fails in the face of poverty, but because it is the greatest creator of wealth in human history.

Even the Chinese Communist Party has figured that one out. They are internally democratic, which is the reason China has not had a civil war in the wake of Mao's death or the CCP's spectacular failures, like the great chinese famine. And the riches they have accumulated over the last few decades are mostly attributable to liberalising the economy.
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Reply #6 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 2:19pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 12:37pm:
I think India can find her own footing in the world in the coming decade.   Yes, there are many challenges, but thats like every other country in the world, we all have our own challenges.


Before one can fix a problem one has to admit the existence of the problem.

India has many problems but is failing to identify them as an objective to apply corrective measures.

The whole of Indian society is corrupt from top to bottom. Morally, socially, and financially corrupt.
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Reply #7 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 5:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 2:14pm:
That's how every liberal democracy started.


India and China were long past their economically world-leading days when modern liberal democracy was born.

In 1947 both India and China were the poorest nations on the planet.

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The strong correlation between liberal democracy and wealth is not because liberal democracy fails in the face of poverty, but because it is the greatest creator of wealth in human history.


We know India isn't a 'liberal' democracy; and neither is China, yet the latter has eradicated poverty at the fastest rate in history by introducing a mixed socialist command (public)/market (private) economy, NOT a democracy (unlike India which has struggled to escape mass poverty)    

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Even the Chinese Communist Party has figured that one out. They are internally democratic,


....With overall planning by the CCP, not the market (see the "third plenum" in China).

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  which is the reason China has not had a civil war in the wake of Mao's death or the CCP's spectacular failures, like the great chinese famine. And the riches they have accumulated over the last few decades are mostly attributable to liberalising the economy.


See above. The CCP has more support in China than Dem or Repub government in the US.

Meanwhile Modi in India is pushing Hindu nationalism, with much of India a relgious and social backwater,  instead of advancing with 'common prosperity' as in China,
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India and China were long past their economically world-leading days when modern liberal democracy was born.


When were either of them a world leader?

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We know India isn't a 'liberal' democracy; and neither is China, yet the latter has eradicated poverty at the fastest rate in history by introducing a mixed socialist command (public)/market (private) economy, NOT a democracy (unlike India which has struggled to escape mass poverty)


Both have reaped great benefits from democracy and liberalisation. Both still have a long way to go, just to copy what has been done elsewhere. The rapid improvement in China (until the latest round of reforms put the handbrake on) reflects the rapid transition. Just more evidence of democracy and liberalisation as the cause of wealth.

'Liberal' is a relative term, just as 'wealthy' is also relative. Only those who seek to deceive try to turn it into a binary.

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See above. The CCP has more support in China than Dem or Repub government in the US.


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Reply #9 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 6:27pm
 
IF they can make Mr Subrahmanyam Jaishankar the PM after Modi, I think India have a fighting chance.  I have seen some of. his interviews, he is very impressive, and very knowledgable. 
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Reply #10 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 6:51pm
 
India = smelly crap
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Reply #11 - Aug 2nd, 2024 at 9:22pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 6:51pm:
India = smelly crap


The whole of India is suffering a severe infection of Gordonism. Hating themselves and hating each other.

Gordonism is love of hate and hate of love.
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freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 5:37pm:
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India and China were long past their economically world-leading days when modern liberal democracy was born.


When were either of them a world leader?


India under Ashoka and  and China under the Tang.

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Both have reaped great benefits from democracy and liberalisation. Both still have a long way to go, just to copy what has been done elsewhere. The rapid improvement in China (until the latest round of reforms put the handbrake on) reflects the rapid transition. Just more evidence of democracy and liberalisation as the cause of wealth.


No, the US is declining due to failure of public sector policy, and can no longer compete with Chinese manufacturing. The CCP is currently coping with the West's paranoid 'decoupling' designed to maintain Western hegemony.   

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'Liberal' is a relative term, just as 'wealthy' is also relative. Only those who seek to deceive try to turn it into a binary.


Indeed.

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Or else.


No, unlike the 50% of Americans living paycheck to paycheck, as US media wages have stagnated over the last 4 decades (during mismanaged globalization), China's  poor have been lifted out of absolute poverty at the fastest rate in  history. They love it.
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Reply #13 - Aug 3rd, 2024 at 3:57pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3rd, 2024 at 12:56pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 2nd, 2024 at 5:37pm:
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India and China were long past their economically world-leading days when modern liberal democracy was born.


When were either of them a world leader?


India under Ashoka and  and China under the Tang.


What makes you think that?

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As for social stability, not mentioned in the "democracy" index: China compares more favourably than the US....


When was the last time the US government killed 100 million of its own citizens?
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Reply #14 - Aug 3rd, 2024 at 4:38pm
 
Of course it is .... and it's what our pollies and fat cats want to see Australia become.... 70% of Indians have no running water or flushing toilet.... one asshole can spend $200m on his daughter's wedding and be lauded by 'celebrities' like David Beckham and quite a few others..... our boss class and political class want to see everyone but their Chosen Ones forced to take the swag and move around looking for a little work here and there .... 

"I-I'm bound to ride that morning railroad... Guess I might die upon that train.... - Man Of Constant Sorrow (dustbowl/great depression)...


When they came for the men in the public service etc over 'feelings - you vilified those men.

When they came for men in their own homes over 'violence' so as to steal their legitimate firearms - you vilified those men.

When they took away legal rights over 'violence' and used it to oppress men - you vilified those men

When they used 'feelings' to take control of the workplace and the houses of learning and toss men out - you vilified those men.

When they came for those who opposed cutting up children, you vilified those objectors.

When they came for the police saying they were brutes against certain groups - you vilified those police.

When they came for men accused on no solid evidence of rape etc, you vilified those men.

When they came for the Unionists, you vilified those Unionists.

When they came for those who opposed mass immigration, you vilified those objectors.

When they came for those who rejected constitutional racism, you vilified those who rejected racism.

When they come for you, there will be nobody left to do anything but vilify you.
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