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Reply #15 - Aug 3^rd, 2024 at 5:25pm

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2024 at 3:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2024 at 12:56pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2024 at 5:37pm:

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India and China were long past their economically world-leading days when modern liberal democracy was born.

When were either of them a world leader?

India under Ashoka and and China under the Tang.

What makes you think that?

The cultural advances they made.

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When was the last time the US government killed 100 million of its own citizens?

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"The exact number of deaths by famine (in the "Great Leap Forward" is difficult to determine, and estimates range from 15 million to 55 million people

If the lower figure is correct: then during the US civil war, about the same number died, pro rata.

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Reply #16 - Aug 3^rd, 2024 at 6:00pm

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The cultural advances they made.

Making cultural advances proves they lead the world economically?

Are you just parroting what you have been told to parrot?

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The exact number of deaths by famine (in the "Great Leap Forward" is difficult to determine, and estimates range from 15 million to 55 million people

Are you trying to argue that the great leap forward was the only time the CCP killed millions of Chinese people? Or am I being to generous in assuming this is part of a cogent argument?

When was the last time the US government killed 100 million of its own citizens?

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84995 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Crapocracy? India ‘one of the worst autocratisers’ Reply #17 - Aug 4^th, 2024 at 1:35am When a fourth world country crawls into the second world - that is progress.... it does not mean they are taking control of the world...
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Reply #18 - Aug 4^th, 2024 at 11:53am

freediver wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2024 at 6:00pm:

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The cultural advances they made.

Making cultural advances proves they lead the world economically?

Yes, as Islam did in it Golden Age ( eg in Cordoba), so with the Tang, inventing paper, type-printing and gunpowder.

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Are you just parroting what you have been told to parrot?

No, unlike you I read history.

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Are you trying to argue that the great leap forward was the only time the CCP killed millions of Chinese people?

No; indeed the US killed its indigenous inhabitants as well as its own in the civil war.

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Or am I being to generous in assuming this is part of a cogent argument?

You being generous? An oxymoron, your whole ideology is survival of the fittest, according to the "rights" of "free individuals".

So you look to history to condemn the CCP, when lately the CCP has established one of the world's most advanced, politically-stable societies, while the US is imploding.

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When was the last time the US government killed 100 million of its own citizens?

Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.

You better start looking at the present and future, if you want to avoid China outpacing the "free" West.

But you will face some interesting problems re the limits of neoliberal free markets.....

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Reply #20 - Aug 4^th, 2024 at 1:00pm

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.

So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?

I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.

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Reply #21 - Aug 4^th, 2024 at 1:03pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.

So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?

I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.

So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?

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Reply #22 - Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:10pm

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.

So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?

I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.

So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?

Yes, with Harvard polls showing the CCP has more support than the US government.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

9 July 2020 — The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central governement.

Meanwhile Trump is saying the US will collapse into chaos if he loses.

Which country looks more stable?

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Reply #24 - Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:14pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:12pm:

"in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government."

And you'd better believe it or the party will wonder about your mental health ......

Grappler is Ozpolitic's foremost dealer in crap.

Grappler is so full he is rolling in it.

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Reply #25 - Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:15pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:12pm:

"in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government."

And you'd better believe it or the party will wonder about your mental health ......

Your error: the Harvard pollster team asked people in their homes, not the CCP.

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Reply #26 - Aug 5^th, 2024 at 1:21pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.

So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?

I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.

So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?

Yes, with Harvard polls showing the CCP has more support than the US government.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

9 July 2020 — The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central governement.

Meanwhile Trump is saying the US will collapse into chaos if he loses.

Which country looks more stable?

You know that social stability normally refers to more than one day, right?

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Re: Crapocracy? India ‘one of the worst autocratisers’
Reply #27 - Aug 5^th, 2024 at 2:49pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:12pm:

"in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government."

And you'd better believe it or the party will wonder about your mental health ......

Your error: the Harvard pollster team asked people in their homes, not the CCP.

Exactly - where did you get your rather odd interpretation of what I posted? It matters not where people were polled - without a beamingly positive response for the party, your mental health would be considered suspect...

You are a very confused person...

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Reply #28 - Aug 5^th, 2024 at 5:04pm

freediver wrote on Aug 5^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 4^th, 2024 at 12:04pm:

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Pro rata, in the civil war, and wars of extermination.

So when you say that China compares "more favourably" than the US on social stability, you are comparing the CCP's reign with the American civil war, plus a few others?

I am comparing today's CCP with today's dysfunctional neoliberal US government; we all need to be aware of the latter's failures.

So China is only more stable "today"? Are you trying to exclude the CCP killing 100 million Chinese citizens from your claim about stability?

Yes, with Harvard polls showing the CCP has more support than the US government.

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-...

9 July 2020 — The survey team found that compared to public opinion patterns in the U.S., in China there was very high satisfaction with the central governement.

Meanwhile Trump is saying the US will collapse into chaos if he loses.

Which country looks more stable?

You know that social stability normally refers to more than one day, right?

Low IQ; we are looking at chaos in the US according to Trump himself, if he loses; whereas Chinese citizens are comparatively satisfied with their government...reinforced as they observe the increasing hyperpartisan chaos in the US.

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Reply #29 - Aug 5^th, 2024 at 5:07pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 5^th, 2024 at 2:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:15pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Aug 5^th, 2024 at 12:12pm:

"in China there was very high satisfaction with the central government."

And you'd better believe it or the party will wonder about your mental health ......

Your error: the Harvard pollster team asked people in their homes, not the CCP.

Exactly - where did you get your rather odd interpretation of what I posted? It matters not where people were polled - without a beamingly positive response for the party, your mental health would be considered suspect...

You are a very confused person...

Funny, coming from you:

We are not talking about what the CCP thinks of my - or anyone else's - mental health, do try to keep up, oh confused one.

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