freediver wrote on Aug 8
th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 8
th, 2024 at 12:47pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 7
th, 2024 at 5:47pm:
Quote:Mao mismanaged collective farming 60 years ago; and the US is suffering from neoliberal free market dysfunction NOW
The CCP killed about 100 million of it's own citizens through "mismanagement".
Correct (disregarding the exaggerated numbers).
How many Chinese people do you think the CCP has killed?
By intention - zero (apart from state-destroying 'freedom values' ideologues)
How many do you think the US governmnent has killed?
Quote:So you think this rapid change is actually stability, but I am confusing stability with instability?
Low IQ (but at least you serve as a useful idiot in this debate).
Political stability in conjunction with rapid economic growth.
Quote:Isn't one of the reasons the current leader put the handbrake on the economy because the change was too fast?
No; the current slowdown in China is due to external geopolitical factors (paranoid US-led "decoupling"); and the anti-socialist tendencies of
individual self-interest-driven neoliberal free markets experienced within China, working against the nation's goal of 'common prosperity. The third plenum directly addressed these anti-socialist forces, it remains to be seen if the CCP has discovered the necessary solutions, in the new anti-globalist, "decoupling world.
Quote:You said social stability.
Meaning political instability, sadly lacking the in the US at present - and India with its ghastly poverty affecting 700 million, and ignorance among diverse groups and beliefs.
Quote:On political instability, the US has kept the same system of government for centuries, with the civil war being the only real challenge to it.
Correct: at the cost of 600,000 dead in the civil war.
But now that system of government is fraying again:
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Texit leader slams 'delusional' Dr. Phil for downplaying civil warDaniel Miller, leader of the Texas Nationalist Movement (TNM), went on an angry tirade against Dr. Phil after appearing on his talk show to discuss the country's key secession movements.
Moonshot, a research company that monitors online extremism, said it tracked 1,599 calls for a civil war — a 633 percent increase from a normal day — the day after the shooting.
Against this tense backdrop, Miller says ever-more Texans want out of the union.
The separation, dubbed Texit, takes its name from Britain's 'Brexit' from the European Union.
Miller says his movement, created in 2005, has never been so close to achieving its goal.
He wants the state legislature to pass a law allowing a referendum on breaking away.
The US Constitution, however, has no clause allowing states to do this.
Indeed, the secession of Southern states including Texas in 1861 led to the Civil War, the bloodiest conflict in US history.
It's getting more popular thanks to the influx of asylum seekers at the border with Mexico, Miller says.
Texans feel they'd do a better job of managing the frontier without the federal government tying their hands, he adds. Quote: On the other hand, the CCP has only been in power since after WWII, and has had to kill about 100 million of its own citizens to gain and hold on to that power.
But the CCP - unlike the US government - has learnt fast; since 1990, it has eradicated poverty at the fastest rate in history, and gained the support of the population, compared with the stagnation in median wages (see the latest MMT post) , and shrinking middle class in the US over the same period up to the present, leading to social instability in the latter.
Quote:There have been no fundamental changes to US economic policy in the time that China has transitioned from starvation communism to market liberalisation.
Correct...but THAT is the problem - adherence to self-interest-driven neoliberal free markets, as opposed to state-driven 'common prosperity' markets in China.
Hope this helps....
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