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Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Aug 9^th, 2024 at 7:05am

This halfwit sold out Australia decades ago in favour of Communist China. He's absolutely batshit crazy delusional in his latest rant. Has he not seen what China has done and is doing in the South China Sea? Time to stop giving this idiotic oxygen thief airtime.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-08/paul-keating-aukus-china-albanese-foreign...

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105247 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile Reply #1 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 7:45am I thought Keating made some good points.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile Reply #2 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:01am Quote: Mr Keating says the AUKUS agreement and Australia's longstanding alliance with the United States, which he called an "aggressive ally", is what may make Australia a target for any incident with China. He has that one backwards. China is going after every easy target it can get.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84725 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile Reply #3 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:04am When the trump of war sounds, resemble the porcupine... that'll put 'em off...
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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #4 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:13am

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:01am:

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Mr Keating says the AUKUS agreement and Australia's longstanding alliance with the United States, which he called an "aggressive ally", is what may make Australia a target for any incident with China.

He has that one backwards. China is going after every easy target it can get.

Our previous wars in South East Asia with the USA "helping" haven't turned out very well:
the Korean War, the Vietnam war - we lost both of them -
why would a war with China be successful?

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #5 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:21am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:13am:

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:01am:

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Mr Keating says the AUKUS agreement and Australia's longstanding alliance with the United States, which he called an "aggressive ally", is what may make Australia a target for any incident with China.

He has that one backwards. China is going after every easy target it can get.

Our previous wars in South East Asia with the USA "helping" haven't turned out very well:
the Korean War, the Vietnam war - we lost both of them -
why would a war with China be successful?

What makes you think there would be a war?

And what would the alternative be? Just let China annex us?

In what sense did we lose the Korean war?

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #6 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:30am

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:21am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:13am:

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:01am:

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Mr Keating says the AUKUS agreement and Australia's longstanding alliance with the United States, which he called an "aggressive ally", is what may make Australia a target for any incident with China.

He has that one backwards. China is going after every easy target it can get.

Our previous wars in South East Asia with the USA "helping" haven't turned out very well:
the Korean War, the Vietnam war - we lost both of them -
why would a war with China be successful?

What makes you think there would be a war?

And what would the alternative be? Just let China annex us?

In what sense did we lose the Korean war?

There will be a war over Taiwan - it's China's policy to take Taiwan by force if necessary.

Annex us? - China can't successfully invade us according to Paul Keating.

We lost the Korean war as now Kim has nuke missiles pointed at us and everyone else.

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #7 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:34am

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China can't successfully invade us according to Paul Keating.

So he thinks we would be successful in a war with China?

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We lost the Korean war as now Kim has nuke missiles pointed at us and everyone else.

We were not trying to invade North Korea. We helped South Korea defend itself against an invasion from North Korea. This is like saying we lost WWII because Germany still exists.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105247 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile Reply #8 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:39am Quote: So he thinks we would be successful in a war with China? yes - watch the interview - it's only 10 minutes. Quote: We helped South Korea defend itself against an invasion from North Korea. But an aggressive NK still exists. Germany is not aggressive.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile Reply #9 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:48am Quote: But an aggressive NK still exists. So does South Korea. Thanks to UN intervention.
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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #10 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:53am

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

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But an aggressive NK still exists.

So does South Korea. Thanks to UN intervention.

[url]https://i.natgeofe.com/n/7e04f44e-d762-459c-b0a8-3b925e572a13/76991.j
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The Korean war never ended -

https://origins.osu.edu/read/war-never-ended-legacy-korean-war

From July 1951 until the signing of the armistice on July 27, 1953,
a stalemate characterized the conflict and neither side gained much territory.
A peace treaty was never signed; the Korean War has never officially ended.

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #11 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 9:53am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 7:45am:

I thought Keating made some good points.

He really doesn't - not one single point he makes is "good". He calls the US "aggressive" when it's actually China who has been the aggressor. China has unilaterally claimed most of the SCS as its own, in clear violation of international law and a binding international court ruling. They ram Philippino naval vessels within their own territorial waters, attack Philippino sailors and steal and damage their equipment. They conduct unsafe maneuvers near US, Australian, Canadian and other military aircraft flying in international airspace and ships in international waters. They promised not to militarise artificial reefs and then went ahead and did just that - in territory that was not their own. China does all this and somehow the United States are the aggressors? Sorry, but Keating is a delusional twat who clearly has lost his marbles long ago. All that the US, Australia and others are doing is attempting to ensure the territorial integrity of multiple nations within the SCS that China is attempting to trample over - an area through which a huge amount of sea trade is carried, especially for Australia. Keating needs to pizz off to China and stay there because his views are not in line with reality by any stretch of the imagination.

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #13 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 1:12pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 7:45am:

I thought Keating made some good points.

He really doesn't - not one single point he makes is "good". He calls the US "aggressive" when it's actually China who has been the aggressor. China has unilaterally claimed most of the SCS as its own, in clear violation of international law and a binding international court ruling. They ram Philippino naval vessels within their own territorial waters, attack Philippino sailors and steal and damage their equipment. They conduct unsafe maneuvers near US, Australian, Canadian and other military aircraft flying in international airspace and ships in international waters. They promised not to militarise artificial reefs and then went ahead and did just that - in territory that was not their own. China does all this and somehow the United States are the aggressors? Sorry, but Keating is a delusional twat who clearly has lost his marbles long ago. All that the US, Australia and others are doing is attempting to ensure the territorial integrity of multiple nations within the SCS that China is attempting to trample over - an area through which a huge amount of sea trade is carried, especially for Australia. Keating needs to pizz off to China and stay there because his views are not in line with reality by any stretch of the imagination.

You make some rather good points.
I would also say that -

Keating is saying we don't need the Yanks to fight China -
we can fight the largest navy in the world all on our own. Undecided

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #14 - Aug 9^th, 2024 at 1:39pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 9^th, 2024 at 7:45am:

I thought Keating made some good points.

He really doesn't - not one single point he makes is "good". He calls the US "aggressive" when it's actually China who has been the aggressor. China has unilaterally claimed most of the SCS as its own, in clear violation of international law and a binding international court ruling. They ram Philippino naval vessels within their own territorial waters, attack Philippino sailors and steal and damage their equipment. They conduct unsafe maneuvers near US, Australian, Canadian and other military aircraft flying in international airspace and ships in international waters. They promised not to militarise artificial reefs and then went ahead and did just that - in territory that was not their own. China does all this and somehow the United States are the aggressors? Sorry, but Keating is a delusional twat who clearly has lost his marbles long ago. All that the US, Australia and others are doing is attempting to ensure the territorial integrity of multiple nations within the SCS that China is attempting to trample over - an area through which a huge amount of sea trade is carried, especially for Australia. Keating needs to pizz off to China and stay there because his views are not in line with reality by any stretch of the imagination.

You make some rather good points.
I would also say that -

Keating is saying we don't need the Yanks to fight China -
we can fight the largest navy in the world all on our own. Undecided

Australia wouldn't need to fight anybody if Uncle Sam did not foment wars and chaos.

Australia is incapable of defending its coastlines or its trade routes.

The submarines are a figment.

None of the Australian defence force personnel want to spend their lives sailing around while restraining their anger from punching a Chinaman in the nose because Australian propaganda has raised the anger levels of Australian military personnel.

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