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Reply #60 - Aug 10^th, 2024 at 10:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 9:38pm:

This has been explained to you many times before, Bobby but you still haven't bothered to understand the issue. The 9 times the price covers everything we need to adopt a completely new technology, the shore establishments, the training and the cost of the fuel. The Royal Australian Navy is a professional organisation which requires this. We are not just buying subs, we are learning how to build them, how to man them efficiently and economically, Bobby so stop your bullshit trolling. This sort of information has been available basically since day 1. These are not Ford or Toyota cars that you can just grab off the lot and expect to know how to drive immediately. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
you've been sucked in by marketing hype.

We're not getting that technology -
we're getting electronic black boxes that will have to go back to the US factories to be repaired.
Same with the nuclear reactors.
It is supplied a as sealed unit - never to be opened.
Only the original manufacturers have all the technology,
tests jigs and know how to fix all that stuff.
We'll be just assembling kit set subs like IKEA furniture. Roll Eyes

We are also being ripped off for 9 times the price.
The subs cost about $5 billion each and we'll end up paying $45 billion each for them.
8 subs will cost us $360 billion and we won't get them all till at least 2040 maybe later
when the war will be over. Roll Eyes

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58622 Here Gender:	Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile Reply #61 - Aug 10^th, 2024 at 10:09pm Paul Keating Is in the same age group as Biden and Trump. Why would we be talking about people long irrelevant, people well on the slope of mental decline.
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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #62 - Aug 10^th, 2024 at 10:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 9:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Keating talks about AUKUS?

The problem started in WW2.
Our soldiers were training with broomsticks as we didn't have
enough rifles for them.
We couldn't fight the Japs like that.
Only the USA stepped in and helped us with shiploads of rifles
and ammo and everything else we needed.
Then the Yanks lost countless lives pushing the Japs back.
We can't defend ourselves without the Yanks and so we have to do what we're told.
They don't ask us - they tell us.
example -
buy these 8 nuke subs at 9 times the correct price - and we say yes.

More myths and trolling, Bobby. One thing we didn't lack for most of the war was rifles. America supplied us with few of the them, as they were all of the wrong calibre compared to the .303 SMLE which was our standard small arm. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

No myths or trolling -
I saw men at the RSL on TV who trained with broomsticks till
the US ships arrived with rifles and ammo.
We were hopelessly unprepared for WW2. Roll Eyes

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #63 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 12:44am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 10:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 9:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Keating talks about AUKUS?

The problem started in WW2.
Our soldiers were training with broomsticks as we didn't have
enough rifles for them.
We couldn't fight the Japs like that.
Only the USA stepped in and helped us with shiploads of rifles
and ammo and everything else we needed.
Then the Yanks lost countless lives pushing the Japs back.
We can't defend ourselves without the Yanks and so we have to do what we're told.
They don't ask us - they tell us.
example -
buy these 8 nuke subs at 9 times the correct price - and we say yes.

More myths and trolling, Bobby. One thing we didn't lack for most of the war was rifles. America supplied us with few of the them, as they were all of the wrong calibre compared to the .303 SMLE which was our standard small arm. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

No myths or trolling -
I saw men at the RSL on TV who trained with broomsticks till
the US ships arrived with rifles and ammo.
We were hopelessly unprepared for WW2. Roll Eyes

The only time we were short of small arms was in 1940 when we had shipped most of our small arms reserves to the UK after Dunkirk. By the time the US entered the war we had caught up so American weapons were useless. America small arms were all of the wrong calibre, we would need to import ammunition for them, which would be expensive. Bobby, WWII lasted six long years. America was involved for only 4 years. We made all our own weapons. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49074 At my desk.	Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile Reply #64 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 7:17am So neither Brian nor Greg are willing to even say whether they even agree with Keating. Just tapdance around the issue.
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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #65 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 7:48am

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 12:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 10:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 9:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

Keating talks about AUKUS?

The problem started in WW2.
Our soldiers were training with broomsticks as we didn't have
enough rifles for them.
We couldn't fight the Japs like that.
Only the USA stepped in and helped us with shiploads of rifles
and ammo and everything else we needed.
Then the Yanks lost countless lives pushing the Japs back.
We can't defend ourselves without the Yanks and so we have to do what we're told.
They don't ask us - they tell us.
example -
buy these 8 nuke subs at 9 times the correct price - and we say yes.

More myths and trolling, Bobby. One thing we didn't lack for most of the war was rifles. America supplied us with few of the them, as they were all of the wrong calibre compared to the .303 SMLE which was our standard small arm. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

No myths or trolling -
I saw men at the RSL on TV who trained with broomsticks till
the US ships arrived with rifles and ammo.
We were hopelessly unprepared for WW2. Roll Eyes

The only time we were short of small arms was in 1940 when we had shipped most of our small arms reserves to the UK after Dunkirk. By the time the US entered the war we had caught up so American weapons were useless. America small arms were all of the wrong calibre, we would need to import ammunition for them, which would be expensive. Bobby, WWII lasted six long years. America was involved for only 4 years. We made all our own weapons. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

https://anzacportal.dva.gov.au/stories/australians-wartime/soldiers-issued-broom...

To Jack's amusement they were issued with broom sticks in place of guns.
The rifles were not issued until the troops were just about ready to leave Australia.

https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/larrikins-in-khaki-tal...
The madness began in 1939 and 1940 at recruiting centres and drill halls in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane.
Cursory medical examinations and lax questions as to age allowed both unfit men and under-age youths to slip into the ranks.

A dearth of modern weapons had men drilling at Ingleburn and Puckapunyal
with broom sticks as rifles and gum trees as artillery pieces.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105326 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile Reply #66 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 7:55am Our soldiers did train with broomsticks instead of rifles in WW2. I want a grovelling apology from Brian for accusing me of telling myths and trolling.
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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #67 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 8:08am

I just want a sincere apology from you for crossposting my mother’s death notice here and the sewer which I will take as an apology also of the doxxing of me that you have and are doing.

Do that and then you can ask for apologies from others. You do troll heaps!

When bulk recruitment starts yes demand outstrips supply for a while.

Our unreadiness with major ordnance, such as warplanes, you can blame on one RG Menzies.

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Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #68 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 2:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 7:55am:

Our soldiers did train with broomsticks instead of rifles in WW2.

I want a grovelling apology from Brian for
accusing me of telling myths and trolling.

When did the training with broomsticks occur, Bobby? Did it last for six years that we were involved in WWII? Were we beholden to the Americans who supposedly supplied us with rifles? You'll get your apology when you cease spread lies, myths and trolling. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #69 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 5:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 7:55am:

Our soldiers did train with broomsticks instead of rifles in WW2.

I want a grovelling apology from Brian for
accusing me of telling myths and trolling.

When did the training with broomsticks occur, Bobby? Did it last for six years that we were involved in WWII? Were we beholden to the Americans who supposedly supplied us with rifles? You'll get your apology when you cease spread lies, myths and trolling. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian,
you made false allegations about me - apologise.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 47267 Gender:	Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile Reply #70 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 6:12pm STOP demanding apologies for crap reasons when YOU never apologise for real hurts!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49074 At my desk.	Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile Reply #71 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 6:22pm Is anyone here prepared to say they agree with Keating? Apologies for interrupting the petty bickering.
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Reply #72 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 6:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 7:55am:

Our soldiers did train with broomsticks instead of rifles in WW2.

I want a grovelling apology from Brian for
accusing me of telling myths and trolling.

When did the training with broomsticks occur, Bobby? Did it last for six years that we were involved in WWII? Were we beholden to the Americans who supposedly supplied us with rifles? You'll get your apology when you cease spread lies, myths and trolling. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Soldiers issued with broom sticks instead of guns

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To Jack's amusement they were issued with broom sticks in place of guns. The rifles were not issued until the troops were just about ready to leave Australia.

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #73 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 6:34pm

freediver wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 6:22pm:

Is anyone here prepared to say they agree with Keating?

Apologies for interrupting the petty bickering.

I don't agree with Keating that we can defend ourselves from China.
We need the Yanks on our side or we'll be just like the start of WW2 -
training our troops with broomsticks instead of rifles.

Also, 6 old Collins subs can't stop a Chinese armada of 100s of warships -
we're lucky to ever have 3 in the water at any one time.
China would probably knock out all our military airbases and jet fighters in one day.
We're sitting ducks by ourselves.

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Re: Paul Keating continues to prove he's a Sinophile
Reply #74 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 8:59pm

Setanta wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 6:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 2:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 7:55am:

Our soldiers did train with broomsticks instead of rifles in WW2.

I want a grovelling apology from Brian for
accusing me of telling myths and trolling.

When did the training with broomsticks occur, Bobby? Did it last for six years that we were involved in WWII? Were we beholden to the Americans who supposedly supplied us with rifles? You'll get your apology when you cease spread lies, myths and trolling. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Soldiers issued with broom sticks instead of guns

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To Jack's amusement they were issued with broom sticks in place of guns. The rifles were not issued until the troops were just about ready to leave Australia.

*SIGH* I wish you'd pay attention. No one has denied that broomsticks were not issued, what is being denied is Bobby's claim that this continued through the course of WWII and that the Americans supplied us with thousands of rifles and saved our bacon, Setlanta. This is patently untrue and an example of Bobby's trolling and he wonders why he is banned from the Defence forum. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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