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Reply #15 - Aug 10^th, 2024 at 2:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 2:13pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 2:11pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 2:08pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 1:41pm:

buy these 8 nuke subs at 9 times the correct price - and we say yes.

Buying nuclear subs is not the same as buying a new car.

We need to have them operated and maintained with technology and knowledge we're likely not going to be given, due to lack of security clearance, for decades.

For electronics - we'll get black boxes that we'll have to change out when they go faulty.
We won't even know what's inside them.

That'd be right.

I doubt the US trusts Australian politicians and senior officials with top security information.

That's how they do it in the military.
Only the factory has the knowledge and special test jigs to repair the black boxes.

The Defense Department has that knowledge and the manufacturers are kept on a short security leash.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105880 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Australia being turned into ‘51st US state’ Reply #16 - Aug 10^th, 2024 at 5:52pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 2:30pm: The Defense Department has that knowledge and the manufacturers are kept on a short security leash. The Defense Dept wouldn't have a clue of what was inside all the black boxes.
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Reply #17 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 1:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

That would be a good argument to end the loophole greyzone of our governance - and assert our independence - by eliminating the possibility of a foreign head of state having their arm twisted by a foreign power to threaten our democracy.

It's possible for the US president to twist the king of Australia to use his Reserve Powers. In a crisis, the monarch is still the absolute ruler and Camilla can grab his genitals to sack the PM and order the troops out for martial law. But then an Oz President could do the same. Trump almost did.

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Reply #18 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 2:22pm

chimera wrote on Aug 11^th, 2024 at 1:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Aug 10^th, 2024 at 1:40pm:

That would be a good argument to end the loophole greyzone of our governance - and assert our independence - by eliminating the possibility of a foreign head of state having their arm twisted by a foreign power to threaten our democracy.

It's possible for the US president to twist the king of Australia to use his Reserve Powers. In a crisis, the monarch is still the absolute ruler and Camilla can grab his genitals to sack the PM and order the troops out for martial law. But then an Oz President could do the same. Trump almost did.

The government that has the most influence over the Australian government is the US administration of the day.

The government that has the most influence over the British monarch is the British government.

The government that has the most influence over the British government is the US administration of the day.

Complicating the process of historical accountability is that the meetings between the British monarch and his/her British prime minister are not only confidential, they are also not recorded for posterity, such that if the monarch or the PM asserts themselves over the other to influence an outcome, it will never be publicly known.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11708 Armidale Gender:	Re: Australia being turned into ‘51st US state’ Reply #19 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 3:19pm A PM being driven to the Tower of London would be a hint he didn't have a good day. The Reserve Power to dismiss a prime minister and government on the monarch's own authority was last done in Britain in 1834 by King William IV. The score in 1975 was Kerr 1: Whitlam 0. Or Trump 1: Albo 0.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Australia being turned into ‘51st US state’ Reply #20 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 3:52pm Would we have those nukes for free if we turned septic? What are other pros and cons?
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25015 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Australia being turned into ‘51st US state’ Reply #21 - Aug 11^th, 2024 at 4:06pm Not worth entertaining.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11708 Armidale Gender:	Re: Australia being turned into ‘51st US state’ Reply #22 - Aug 13^th, 2024 at 8:58am Normally Oz follows the US like a dog but Kerr in 1975 was 45 years ahead of Trump. The two events together can combine in the future to a genuine coup. Who will get in first?
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