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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75137 Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #60 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:23pm freediver wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 10:23am: John's confusion is, as ever, irredeemable. Don't cry fd. It's unbecoming
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Reply #61 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:45pm

XX fight XX - XY fight XY ... easy???

I still pity the poor buggar born with no nuts to lick and rudimentary at best female bits that will never work etc.. a perpetual case of blue ovaries .... no wonder he wants to go into boxing - as long as it's not too hard .....

All the world is asking for is a definitive test.... man or woman ... not whether or not they can pass the self-ID passport test, duckie ... this isn't Queensland here - this is real people and real people's lives.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17995 Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #62 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:53pm John Smith wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 9:30am: We were discussing the IOC's rules regarding gender, not the IBA's rules. As the authorised holder of the Boxing it was the IBA's remit.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17995 Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #63 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:57pm Dnarever wrote on Aug 16^th, 2024 at 11:04pm: The last Olympics was 2020. That was before DNA testing ? Not sure it is a good idea to call someone a dumbass when you say something like this. DNA testing wasn't around since "the same as every other IOC".
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75137 Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #64 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:57pm lee wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:53pm: John Smith wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 9:30am: We were discussing the IOC's rules regarding gender, not the IBA's rules. As the authorised holder of the Boxing it was the IBA's remit. And yet it was YOU who pretended that the current IOC changed the rules
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Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif
Reply #65 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:59pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

lee wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 9:30am:

We were discussing the IOC's rules regarding gender, not the IBA's rules.

As the authorised holder of the Boxing it was the IBA's remit. Roll Eyes

And yet it was YOU who pretended that the current IOC changed the rules Cheesy

A quick check of the nuts would help and access to medical records. Shocked

It's no good just going around licking their nuts...

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17995 Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #66 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 2:00pm John Smith wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:57pm: And yet it was YOU who pretended that the current IOC changed the rules They did, from the IBA's rules. From DNA to Passports. Do try to keep up.
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35107 Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #67 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 2:10pm lee dont try and argue with smith he is incapable of admitting he is wrong even though he invariably is
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106763 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #68 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 2:37pm aquascoot wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 2:10pm: lee dont try and argue with smith he is incapable of admitting he is wrong even though he invariably is Smith was the school dunce - he was kicked out of school at the age of 15.
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Reply #69 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 11:30pm

lee wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

And yet it was YOU who pretended that the current IOC changed the rules

They did, from the IBA's rules. From DNA to Passports. Roll Eyes

Do try to keep up.

The AOC has never used the IBA's rules - they changed nothing

i.e. - AOC
2000 - Passports
2004 - Passports
2008 - Passports
2012 - Passports
2016 - Passports
2020 - Passports
2024 - Passports

The IBA set the rules for its own events.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59253 Here Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #70 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 11:32pm aquascoot wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 2:10pm: lee dont try and argue with smith he is incapable of admitting he is wrong even though he invariably is Funny you say that when he is correct on this one? The AOC is using the same criteria it has used for decades without change.
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Reply #71 - Aug 17^th, 2024 at 11:53pm

Well - this needs clarifying NOW before the next games and Sugar Raye and Michele Tyson are in the women's events..

This Algerian seems to be a special case of not being 'transgender' as such - but not fitting the bill to be a woman. A clear case of gender assignment at birth gone wrong for possibly the right reasons...

The Olympics committee do drug tests - how hard is it to first check on hormones, then when in doubt, do further testing? Such clear hard science is mandated for physically aggressive sports.

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Reply #72 - Aug 18^th, 2024 at 8:34am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 11:30pm:

lee wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 2:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

And yet it was YOU who pretended that the current IOC changed the rules

They did, from the IBA's rules. From DNA to Passports. Roll Eyes

Do try to keep up.

The AOC has never used the IBA's rules - they changed nothing

i.e. - AOC
2000 - Passports
2004 - Passports
2008 - Passports
2012 - Passports
2016 - Passports
2020 - Passports
2024 - Passports

The IBA set the rules for its own events.

AOC?

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Reply #73 - Aug 18^th, 2024 at 1:03pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 17^th, 2024 at 11:30pm:

The AOC has never used the IBA's rules - they changed nothing

"Sex testing came about in the 1940s, typically via visual inspection. As the decades went on, the process evolved to include physical examinations, chromosome testing and testosterone level testing, according to a National Library of Medicine report. "

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/sports/olympics/sex-testing-olympics-2024-...

That is a change.

More ...

"Mandatory sex testing was banned in '90s"

ibid

That's another change.

And another thing -

"Each sport's international federation gets to decide athlete eligibility"

ibid

The IBA was an International Federation.

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Reply #74 - Aug 18^th, 2024 at 1:12pm

Okay, the basic principal for banning the Algerian Boxer is that, with XY chromosome, she may have intra abdominal testis, which produces testosterone, which give her an unfair advantage in woman's sports. We can agree to disagree on this regard.

But why stop here. What if... its a XX woman, who has a slow growing testosterone producing tumor that remained un-diagnosed, perhaps due to lack of health care in some areas of the world. One would argue, that those XX women also has an unfair advantage against those who dont have the tumor. Is this means, that in the future, in women sport, there are going to be discrimination against those with diseases as well, if that disease grants an unfair advantage?

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