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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17999 Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #75 - Aug 18^th, 2024 at 1:17pm tickleandrose wrote on Aug 18^th, 2024 at 1:12pm: ts a XX woman, who has a slow growing testosterone producing tumor that remained un-diagnosed, perhaps due to lack of health care in some areas of the world. Wouldn't that make it XY?
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Reply #76 - Aug 18^th, 2024 at 1:26pm

lee wrote on Aug 18^th, 2024 at 1:17pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 18^th, 2024 at 1:12pm:

ts a XX woman, who has a slow growing testosterone producing tumor that remained un-diagnosed, perhaps due to lack of health care in some areas of the world.

Wouldn't that make it XY?

There are tumors that occur in XX genetic females that produces male androgen or both. So, its like instead of injecting testosterone... some tissues in their body mutates and start to produce male sex hormone.

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20775 Gordon Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #77 - Aug 18^th, 2024 at 1:33pm Yes, IK has a rare medical condition that gives he/she/it/they/them/thur an unfair advantage. In life, we are often unfair to a tiny % of the population to be fai r to the vast majority.
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Reply #78 - Aug 18^th, 2024 at 1:45pm

tickleandrose wrote on Aug 18^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

There are tumors that occur in XX genetic females that produces male androgen or both. So, its like instead of injecting testosterone... some tissues in their body mutates and start to produce male sex hormone.

And the international bodies should be able to tell whether that particular discipline would be impacted. Wink

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Reply #79 - Aug 18^th, 2024 at 2:06pm

what do the olympic oligarchs want?

ratings.

attention and eyeballs = $$$$

what better way to get eyebalss then to use rage bait

they dont care about a female getting her face punched in by a male
its controversial and the masses will watch

no different to ray gun

they dont care some really talented teenage break dancer got her dreams smashed so some fat mole could get a free trip to paris
the controversy is simply too profitable

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Reply #80 - Aug 18^th, 2024 at 2:27pm

Thank you everyone. So Gordon here believes that Yes, IK has a rare medical condition that gives he/she/it/they/them/thur an unfair advantage. While Lee is ambivalent, leaving it to the bodies that governed the sports.

Okay, lets not concentrate on rare disease, like ovarian / germ cell tumour. What about conditions that are more common? Lets take for example polycystic ovarian syndrome. The prevalence of PCOS is about 10%, give or take which study you based your figure from. So it is fairly common.

I can go on and on about pathogenesis of PCOS for many hours. But in short, it is caused by imbalance of hormones produced by the ovaries, that then caused increased levels of other hormones, which can include: insulin like growth hormone, and male type androgens. The symptoms of PCOS can include: excessive hair (female beard), acne, menstruation irregularities and infertility.

Studies have found that women with PCOS are over represented in elite sports. As the milder form of PCOS enable these female athletes to have higher muscle mass and increased bone mass than those without.

So my question is then... where do we draw the line? Should we then start to discriminate against those with naturally occurring diseases that gives an advantage in sports. And at what level of sports should we start to restrict - e.g. local club level, state level, or international competitions only.

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Reply #81 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:31am

Thank you Tickle.

To the rest of you, you don't know what she has. And yes, she is a she. She was declared female at birth and has lived her entire life as a female.

The haste you all exhibit in pronouncing her a he is telling. you base this alone on contradictory reports from the Russian IBA, an association removed from the IOC incorporation for corruption. The IBA have given both the statements that Imane failed tests due to hormone levels and due to chromosome issues. Note, these concerns were only raised after a Russian fighter was defeated by Imane. They have been contradictory and inconsistent in their account of what their issue is with Imane. that is surely enough to tell us all to refrain from judgement.

Note .... neither of the above mean she isn't a woman.

but look at you all, hanging her out to dry and referring to her almost unanimously as a he ... or an it.

But more to the point, we don't know what the specifics are yet, only that she fought her way to the top of her sport and that all of her competitors stand by her. The IOC stands by her.

And she is filing a lawsuit for cyberbullying as a result of the hell she's been through.

And here you all are ... cyberbullying her.

On absolutely no evidence at all.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106867 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #82 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:56am Mothra, Quote: She was declared female at birth and has lived her entire life as a female. They were wrong - it has XY chromosomes which equals a man.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35585 Gender:	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #83 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:57am Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:56am: Mothra, Quote: She was declared female at birth and has lived her entire life as a female. They were wrong - it has XY chromosomes which equals a man. Provide evidence of this. And even if that were the case, no it doesn't. You absolute muppet.
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Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif
Reply #84 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:59am

mothra wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:56am:

Mothra,
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She was declared female at birth and has lived her entire life as a female.

They were wrong -
it has XY chromosomes which equals a man.

Provide evidence of this.

I dunno - I read it somewhere - it's easy to test for that -
even covertly - we leave our DNA everywhere we go.

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Reply #85 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:00am

Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:59am:

mothra wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:56am:

Mothra,
Quote:

She was declared female at birth and has lived her entire life as a female.

They were wrong -
it has XY chromosomes which equals a man.

Provide evidence of this.

I dunno - I read it somewhere - it's easy to test for that -
even covertly - we leave our DNA everywhere we go.

So just trolling again, Scrappy Doo. What an accomplishment. Satisfied?

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Reply #86 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:04am

mothra wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:59am:

mothra wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:57am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:56am:

Mothra,
Quote:

She was declared female at birth and has lived her entire life as a female.

They were wrong -
it has XY chromosomes which equals a man.

Provide evidence of this.

I dunno - I read it somewhere - it's easy to test for that -
even covertly - we leave our DNA everywhere we go.

So just trolling again, Scrappy Doo. What an accomplishment. Satisfied?

Nah - probably has a big banana down there too. Shocked

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Reply #87 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:13am

mothra wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:31am:

Thank you Tickle.

To the rest of you, you don't know what she has. And yes, she is a she. She was declared female at birth and has lived her entire life as a female.

The haste you all exhibit in pronouncing her a he is telling. you base this alone on contradictory reports from the Russian IBA, an association removed from the IOC incorporation for corruption. The IBA have given both the statements that Imane failed tests due to hormone levels and due to chromosome issues. Note, these concerns were only raised after a Russian fighter was defeated by Imane. They have been contradictory and inconsistent in their account of what their issue is with Imane. that is surely enough to tell us all to refrain from judgement.

Note .... neither of the above mean she isn't a woman.

but look at you all, hanging her out to dry and referring to her almost unanimously as a he ... or an it.

But more to the point, we don't know what the specifics are yet, only that she fought her way to the top of her sport and that all of her competitors stand by her. The IOC stands by her.

And she is filing a lawsuit for cyberbullying as a result of the hell she's been through.

And here you all are ... cyberbullying her.

On absolutely no evidence at all.

And on any other issue, the same muppets who are now crying that 'she' is a 'he', would have been crying that she was a 'she' because 'she' was born with a vagina

Consistently inconsistent, thats what the haters are

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #88 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:16am

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:13am:

mothra wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:31am:

Thank you Tickle.

To the rest of you, you don't know what she has. And yes, she is a she. She was declared female at birth and has lived her entire life as a female.

The haste you all exhibit in pronouncing her a he is telling. you base this alone on contradictory reports from the Russian IBA, an association removed from the IOC incorporation for corruption. The IBA have given both the statements that Imane failed tests due to hormone levels and due to chromosome issues. Note, these concerns were only raised after a Russian fighter was defeated by Imane. They have been contradictory and inconsistent in their account of what their issue is with Imane. that is surely enough to tell us all to refrain from judgement.

Note .... neither of the above mean she isn't a woman.

but look at you all, hanging her out to dry and referring to her almost unanimously as a he ... or an it.

But more to the point, we don't know what the specifics are yet, only that she fought her way to the top of her sport and that all of her competitors stand by her. The IOC stands by her.

And she is filing a lawsuit for cyberbullying as a result of the hell she's been through.

And here you all are ... cyberbullying her.

On absolutely no evidence at all.

And on any other issue, the same muppets who are now crying that 'she' is a 'he', would have been crying that she was a 'she' because 'she' was born with a vagina

Consistently inconsistent, thats what the haters are

They just know they don't like it.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49418 At my desk.	Re: Lawsuit Filed by Algerian Boxer Imane Khelif Reply #89 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:33am mothra wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 6:31am: And yes, she is a she. She was declared female at birth and has lived her entire life as a female. What do you say to all the people who think they can change their gender after it has been 'declared'?
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