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Re: Penny Wong not interested in cleaning up CFMEU
Reply #15 - Aug 16th, 2024 at 6:02pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 1:53pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 1:45pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
If 3 years aren't enough for an administrator to clean out the corrupt members then the administrator themselves is corrupt.


I disagree. Do you have ANY idea how rotten and corrupt that union (and the MUA) is? They'd be lucky if they fixed it in ten years.


No more corrupt than the liberal party. But I'm going to bet cash would never agree to them being put under administration for a minimum of 3 years.


You've got to be joking. Have you not heard of the behaviour of the unions that would make the mafia seem like amateurs? Get your head out of the sand!



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Re: Penny Wong not interested in cleaning up CFMEU
Reply #16 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 9:36am
 
lee wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 3:26pm:
So you can't show it and yet I'm stupid


Why do I need to show a statement I've never argued for or against? You're stupidity is in your ability to argue what I'm saying, without you ever understanding it. Do you hear voices in your head? Is that who you is saying these things to you? And you're just pretending I'm saying it?
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Re: Penny Wong not interested in cleaning up CFMEU
Reply #17 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 11:16am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 6:02pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 1:53pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 1:45pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 1:42pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
If 3 years aren't enough for an administrator to clean out the corrupt members then the administrator themselves is corrupt.


I disagree. Do you have ANY idea how rotten and corrupt that union (and the MUA) is? They'd be lucky if they fixed it in ten years.


No more corrupt than the liberal party. But I'm going to bet cash would never agree to them being put under administration for a minimum of 3 years.


You've got to be joking. Have you not heard of the behaviour of the unions that would make the mafia seem like amateurs? Get your head out of the sand!



Show me!!


Google is your friend. You'll find many articles citing acts of violence, intimidation, standover tactics, bribery, protection payments, corruption, kickbacks and other illegal acts by members of various unions - especially the CFMEU and MUA. Then there's payments by Labor using taxpayer funds to unions under the guise of education when it was actually Labor repaying them for a political campaign donation. The trade union movement is rife with illegal activity and it's been permitted by Labor for far too long. Have a read of this. I dare you.

https://www.royalcommission.gov.au/system/files/2020-09/turc-final-report-volume...

Edit: I fixed the link - didn't realise it didn't work.
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Re: Penny Wong not interested in cleaning up CFMEU
Reply #18 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 12:21pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 11:16am:
You'll find many articles citing acts of violence, intimidation, standover tactics, bribery, protection payments, corruption, kickbacks and other illegal acts by members of various unions



you argued about links to mafia figures. You realise that bribery etc isn't limited to the Mafia, right? Nor are they mafia just because they are italian.

As for the libs RC's, they put in a paid stooge to oversee it who was told what the outcome would be, before he even started it.
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Reply #19 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 12:55pm
 
Many assertions that such things take place - poor widdle bossie can't sit down to the table and negotiate?

It is the 'boss class' with their fantastic imaginations about their 'position' and 'privileges' that carries out most of the standover and such.... what it means at the end of the day is that they can't run a business.  Sitting down and expecting full conditions to apply to workers on sites etc, full safety and so forth and full pay rates, is not standover.  Even threatening legitimate strike action is not standover .... attacking union negotiators on a personal basis by threatening their jobs is standover - and that is why there are all these Union bloke paid by the Unions to do that work (though the site reps still cop it)....

Real world.  How much does it cost a stupid management to try on an industrial war when all they had to do was know and accept the proper conditions and rates of pay?  Former Royal Commission found one sucker ready to admit guilt - a Maori with no real idea I think... nobody else fell for the lies and bullying of using lawfare.

I suppose we should just go back to full Awards and nothing else then ................... make it easier and fairer for everyone.  Bossy wouldn't like that - no 'wriggle room' that Howard was trying for.

Footnote:-  Been watching the 'retirement complex' construction going on - the one whose noise caused us to move and 'go bush' for years now - heaps of earnest young tradies in utes copping a grand a day each or something....... sheilas hanging off every arm .... and progress is slow and the prices keep escalating....  locally it's called The Gulag and nobody is buying ... it's actually ony a couple of feet above the lake - in a major flood it will go under... last big one the water nearly came through our back fence and we were on the rise... wonder why nobody's buying a tract house separated by a metre from the neighbours...

Onya, Bossy!!  Great planning!!

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Reply #20 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:06pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 9:36am:
Why do I need to show a statement I've never argued for or against?


So your throwaway comment about the Libs was just that. Consider it thrown away, more dross from Guido. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #21 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm
 
The Coalition would like the Union under admistration for as long as possible which is not surprising...However banning political donations from Unions to Labor has always been a target for the Coalition and will be the main reason the Coalition will oppose reform!!!

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A law that would force the disgraced CFMEU into administration failed to pass on Thursday after the Coalition and Greens blocked the bill in the Senate because it does not include a ban on political donations.


https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/political-donations-the-sticking-point-i...

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Labor is in power - but the Coalition still attracts the most money


https://theconversation.com/labor-is-in-power-but-the-coalition-still-attracts-t...

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Re: Penny Wong not interested in cleaning up CFMEU
Reply #22 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:58pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
.However banning political donations from Unions to Labor has always been a target for the Coalition and will be the main reason the Coalition will oppose reform


philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
after the Coalition and Greens blocked the bill


And only the Coalition is guilty. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Re: Penny Wong not interested in cleaning up CFMEU
Reply #23 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 5:34pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:58pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
.However banning political donations from Unions to Labor has always been a target for the Coalition and will be the main reason the Coalition will oppose reform


philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
after the Coalition and Greens blocked the bill


And only the Coalition is guilty. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


The Greens are not calling for a ban in donations from the CFMEU it is a Coalition amendment.... So banning political donations from Unions to Labor has always been a target for the Coalition!!!

Why are the Greens guilty when they are not calling for a ban on donations from the CFMEU???

Why should donations from the CFMEU be banned???

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https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/concerns-grow-over-labors-anti-union-anti-c...
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Reply #24 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
The Greens are not calling for a ban in donations from the CFMEU it is a Coalition amendment..


philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
A law that would force the disgraced CFMEU into administration failed to pass on Thursday after the Coalition and Greens blocked the bill in the Senate because it does not include a ban on political donations.


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Re: Penny Wong not interested in cleaning up CFMEU
Reply #25 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 5:54pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:06pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 9:36am:
Why do I need to show a statement I've never argued for or against?


So your throwaway comment about the Libs was just that. Consider it thrown away, more dross from Guido. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Aye - that be our Smith - never commits himself to any approach beyond hyperbole...

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Reply #26 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 6:15pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
The Greens are not calling for a ban in donations from the CFMEU it is a Coalition amendment..


philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 1:54pm:
A law that would force the disgraced CFMEU into administration failed to pass on Thursday after the Coalition and Greens blocked the bill in the Senate because it does not include a ban on political donations.


Roll Eyes


A comment from a reporter not Greens policy....The Greens refuse to ban donations from the CFMEU because they are a recipient....Nowhere are the Greens quoated calling for a ban on donations....Can you provide a quote from the Greens Lee???!!!

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Meanwhile, the Greens had earlier expressed concern about the bill overriding the court process.

The amended bill on Thursday included conditions for the administrator to report to parliament every six months, extended the duration of the scheme of administration from three to five years and that anyone removed from the union could not then be a bargaining representative for another organisation.


https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/political-donations-the-sticking-poin...

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Earlier, Greens leader Adam Bandt had ducked questions about donations the Greens have received from the CFMEU, while indicating the party would not back the legislation.

Labor’s federal executive has banned donations from the Victorian branch of the CFMEU but Bandt did not say if the Greens would do the same noting his party had not received a donation from the union since 2013.

“Donations are a matter for the party … it’s about a decade ago that one branch received donations, over a decade ago, so this isn’t about donations from us,” he said.


Are you calling Bandt a liar Lee???

I will wait for Lee to provide a quote from the Greens where they support banning donations from the CFMEU???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/federal/greens-leader-ducks-cfmeu-donation-q...
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Reply #27 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 6:15pm:
A comment from a reporter not Greens policy...


So you gave an incorrect quote... not my problem. Roll Eyes
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Reply #28 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 6:48pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 6:36pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 6:15pm:
A comment from a reporter not Greens policy...


So you gave an incorrect quote... not my problem. Roll Eyes


I am happy to set you straight....You could have done your own research before making a dickhead of yourself....Nothing unusual!!!

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Reply #29 - Aug 17th, 2024 at 7:17pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 17th, 2024 at 6:48pm:
You could have done your own research before making a dickhead of yourself.


I relied on you to provide correct quotes... but it is my fault because you failed. You can't even admit error. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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