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Re: Kansas rejects abortion ban
Reply #60 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 12:42pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 10:57am:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 10:14am:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 9:32am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 8:17pm:
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............   a traditionally conservative pocket of the United States reject a push to restrict abortion access.       ................


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-04/what-does-the-kansas-abortion-vote-mean-f...

This is a big deal. It was a law trump got through that threw womens rights back 60 years.
A backbone of hardcore 'conservative christians' intolerance has been broken.


Nonsense.

"the US Supreme Court handed the power to legislate abortion back to the states"



Too right Fwank....Trump is a fat lying turd much like you....Thank you for pointing out Trump is a liar and fraud....Trump took credit for overturning Roe v Wade so is he lying or are you???

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Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans.


Huh Huh Huh

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcn...



The SCOTUS decision was not "a law that Trump got through".  It was the reversal of the earlier SCOTUS decision (R vW). SCOTUS does NOT make laws, it only arbitrates on the constitutionality of laws.

It was a decision ANY black letter-majority, non-activist court would have made: abortion law is for each state to make in a federation, it is not for the central government to override the states. This is also the case in Australia: abortion is regulated by the states.

Trumps role was, as president, to appoint black letter judges rather than activist judges.


That's because Australia doesn't have a bill of rights, dear. Here, abortion is deigned to be a medical issue. Abortion is a federal issue in America because mothers and children have respective rights. Roe V Wade upheld the 14th Amendment, an article that extended the Bill of Rights to ensure that:

“nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Throwing abortion back to the states to ban goes against the 14th Amendment. Roe V Wade ruled on that very issue.

Just so in the UK, which is comprised of different countries, principalities and territories. All have access to legalised abortion to varying degrees, but Northern Ireland has dragged its feet. There, the courts have compelled legislative changes as recently as 2019 under the UK Human Rights Act 1998.

The debate on abortion has rarely centered on the issue of healthcare, dear boy, as you well know.

Still, it's fascinating to watch you squirm and writhe upon your DL's hook. You, like everybody else here, support the right to abortion. You're only tapdancing to your DL's song.

Last I heard, that was Lee Greenwood's God Bless the USA.

So cute.
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Re: Kansas rejects abortion ban
Reply #61 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 1:16pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 12:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 12:20pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 12:16pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 12:06pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 12:00pm:
Trumps role was, as president, to appoint black letter judges rather than activist judges.

ANY black letter majority court would uphold states' rights.


So why is Trump taking credit Fwank....Deflecting does nothing to address Trump's lying....Ether Trump is Lying or you are wrong....Which is it Fwank???

Huh Huh Huh


Everyone knows he's taking credit for this because he's said so and also because he's taking credit for altering the make-up of the Supreme Court, which made this decision. It couldn't have happened without Trump stacking the court with conservative Justices. I think it's wrong - the Supreme Court should be balanced, not skewed toward one end of the political spectrum.


Trump is taking credit and Fwank is calling him a liar....The Republicans are now backtracking because their hard stance on abortion is hurting their electoral chances....Either way Trump is a liar and a fraud according to Fwank!!!

Cool Cool Cool

Trump takes credit for appointing black letter judges.
What would be the point of right of centre head of government acting as if he were left of centre??


Why, to uphold the Constitution, dear boy, as every schoolboy knows. The Constitution grants citizens rights, an uncomfortable fact, I know. Women are now considered to be citizens, along with non-property-owners, former slaves, the tinted races, Jigaboos, Frightwigs, etc.

Their vote is worth the same as any celebrity playboy with a spray-on tan. An uncomfortable fact for the last five UK PMs as well as Turnbull and ScoMo here, no?

Who's in Number Ten and the Lodge now, dear chap?

Don't answer that.
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Re: Kansas rejects abortion ban
Reply #62 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 2:56pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 12:42pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 10:57am:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 10:14am:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 9:32am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 16th, 2024 at 8:17pm:
Quote:
............   a traditionally conservative pocket of the United States reject a push to restrict abortion access.       ................


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-04/what-does-the-kansas-abortion-vote-mean-f...

This is a big deal. It was a law trump got through that threw womens rights back 60 years.
A backbone of hardcore 'conservative christians' intolerance has been broken.


Nonsense.

"the US Supreme Court handed the power to legislate abortion back to the states"



Too right Fwank....Trump is a fat lying turd much like you....Thank you for pointing out Trump is a liar and fraud....Trump took credit for overturning Roe v Wade so is he lying or are you???

Quote:
Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


The former president and front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination leans into his key role in eliminating federal abortion rights, taking credit for state-level bans.


Huh Huh Huh

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-was-able-kill-roe-v-wade-rcn...



The SCOTUS decision was not "a law that Trump got through".  It was the reversal of the earlier SCOTUS decision (R vW). SCOTUS does NOT make laws, it only arbitrates on the constitutionality of laws.

It was a decision ANY black letter-majority, non-activist court would have made: abortion law is for each state to make in a federation, it is not for the central government to override the states. This is also the case in Australia: abortion is regulated by the states.

Trumps role was, as president, to appoint black letter judges rather than activist judges.


That's because Australia doesn't have a bill of rights, dear. Here, abortion is deigned to be a medical issue. Abortion is a federal issue in America because mothers and children have respective rights. Roe V Wade upheld the 14th Amendment, an article that extended the Bill of Rights to ensure that:

“nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”

Throwing abortion back to the states to ban goes against the 14th Amendment. Roe V Wade ruled on that very issue.

Just so in the UK, which is comprised of different countries, principalities and territories. All have access to legalised abortion to varying degrees, but Northern Ireland has dragged its feet. There, the courts have compelled legislative changes as recently as 2019 under the UK Human Rights Act 1998.

The debate on abortion has rarely centered on the issue of healthcare, dear boy, as you well know.

Still, it's fascinating to watch you squirm and writhe upon your DL's hook. You, like everybody else here, support the right to abortion. You're only tapdancing to your DL's song.

Last I heard, that was Lee Greenwood's God Bless the USA.

So cute.



Nonsense. 
Abortion is not a 'human right'.  It has to be defined and circumscribed carefully. It involves, by definition, at least three people and as a matter or life and death whole communities and jurisdictions have an interest in its limits. It is not just service provision to one person who, again by definition, is a female.

The reversal of RvW is a reversal of federal jurisdictional overreach. It is not unique in that regard. Access to abortion is STILL adjudicated by legislative assemblies (parliaments), just not the federal one. If you want to change abortion law, either by loosening or tightening it, you can do so at state level.
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Re: Kansas rejects abortion ban
Reply #63 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:07pm
 
From the SCOTUS ruling:


Americans continue to hold passionate and widely divergent views on abortion, and state legislatures have acted accordingly.  Some have recently enacted laws allowing abortion, with few restrictions, at all stage of pregnancy.  Others have tightly restricted abortion beginning well before viability.  And in this case, 26 States have expressly asked this Court to overrule Roe and Casey and allow the States to regulate or prohibit pre-viability abortions.

Before us now is one such state law.  The State of Mississippi asks us to uphold the constitutionality of a law that generally prohibits an abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy—several weeks before the point at which a fetus is now regarded as “viable” outside the womb.  In defending this law, the State’s primary argument is that we should reconsider and overrule Roe and Casey and once again allow each State to regulate abortion as its citizens wish.  On the other side, respondents and the Solicitor General ask us to reaffirm Roe and Casey, and they contend that the Mississippi law cannot stand if we do so.

We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision, including the one on which the defenders of Roe and Casey now chiefly rely—the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. That provision has been held to guarantee some rights that are not mentioned in the Constitution, but any such right must be “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition” and “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty.”

The right to abortion does not fall within this category. Until the latter part of the 20th century, such a right was entirely unknown in American law. Indeed, when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, three quarters of the States made abortion a crime at all stages of pregnancy. The abortion right is also critically different from any other right that this Court has held to fall within the Fourteenth Amendment’s protection of “liberty.” Roe’s defenders characterize the abortion right as similar to the rights recognized in past decisions involving matters such as intimate sexual relations, contraception, and marriage, but abortion is fundamentally different, as both Roe and Casey acknowledged, because it destroys what those decisions called “fetal life” and what the law now before us describes as an “unborn human being.”
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Reply #64 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm
 


So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

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Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #65 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 4:20pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm:
So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

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Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh


He wouldn't lie, would he?

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Reply #66 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:00pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm:
So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

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Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh



After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the “shock” of everyone, and for the first time put the Pro Life movement in a strong negotiating position over the Radicals that are willing to kill babies even into their 9th month, and beyond. Without me there would be no 6 weeks, 10 weeks, 15 weeks, or whatever is finally agreed to. Without me the pro Life movement would have just kept losing. Thank you President TRUMP!!!





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Reply #67 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:07pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm:
So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

Quote:
Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh



After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the “shock” of everyone, and for the first time put the Pro Life movement in a strong negotiating position over the Radicals that are willing to kill babies even into their 9th month, and beyond. Without me there would be no 6 weeks, 10 weeks, 15 weeks, or whatever is finally agreed to. Without me the pro Life movement would have just kept losing. Thank you President TRUMP!!!








You realise it's all bullshit, don't you?

Lol, look who I'm asking.  Of course you don't   Grin
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Reply #68 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:13pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm:
So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

Quote:
Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh



greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:07pm:
You realise it's all bullshit, don't you?

Lol, look who I'm asking.  Of course you don't   Grin
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Reply #69 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm:
So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

Quote:
Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh



greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:07pm:
You realise it's all bullshit, don't you?

Lol, look who I'm asking.  Of course you don't   Grin


You get thicker every day.

Bullshit: "the Radicals that are willing to kill babies even into their 9th month, and beyond."
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Reply #70 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 6:05pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:13pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm:
So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

Quote:
Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh



greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:07pm:
You realise it's all bullshit, don't you?

Lol, look who I'm asking.  Of course you don't   Grin


You get thicker every day.

Bullshit: "the Radicals that are willing to kill babies even into their 9th month, and beyond."

No limit: Six states and Washington, D.C., do not impose any term restrictions. That has not changed since the overturning of Roe.

Partial birth abortion

https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=18-USC-1932217061-836166418&term_occur=999&term_src=


https://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/abortion/partial-birth-abortion


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Reply #71 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 6:27pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm:
So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

Quote:
Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh



After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the “shock” of everyone, and for the first time put the Pro Life movement in a strong negotiating position over the Radicals that are willing to kill babies even into their 9th month, and beyond. Without me there would be no 6 weeks, 10 weeks, 15 weeks, or whatever is finally agreed to. Without me the pro Life movement would have just kept losing. Thank you President TRUMP!!!







That's a yes - from an old boy who even supports abortion rights.

Cunning, no?
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Reply #72 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 6:38pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:07pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm:
So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

Quote:
Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh



After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the “shock” of everyone, and for the first time put the Pro Life movement in a strong negotiating position over the Radicals that are willing to kill babies even into their 9th month, and beyond. Without me there would be no 6 weeks, 10 weeks, 15 weeks, or whatever is finally agreed to. Without me the pro Life movement would have just kept losing. Thank you President TRUMP!!!








You realise it's all bullshit, don't you?

Lol, look who I'm asking.  Of course you don't   Grin


Oh yes, he does. The old boy's stuck defending a policy he doesn't even hold dear to his poor old heart.

Talk about squishy slippery stupid mendacious tendentious stilts. The old boy's worn a hole in his grave with all his yeah-but-no-butting.

Remember when he used to defend the invasion of Iraq?

It'll be so much fun watching the old boy defend his DL when he's gone.

WITCH HUNT !!!
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Reply #73 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 6:44pm
 
Karnal wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:07pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm:
So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

Quote:
Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh



After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the “shock” of everyone, and for the first time put the Pro Life movement in a strong negotiating position over the Radicals that are willing to kill babies even into their 9th month, and beyond. Without me there would be no 6 weeks, 10 weeks, 15 weeks, or whatever is finally agreed to. Without me the pro Life movement would have just kept losing. Thank you President TRUMP!!!








You realise it's all bullshit, don't you?

Lol, look who I'm asking.  Of course you don't   Grin


Oh yes, he does. The old boy's stuck defending a policy he doesn't even hold dear to his poor old heart.


What policy do you think I am defending, pantaloon sniffer?


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Reply #74 - Aug 19th, 2024 at 6:56pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 6:44pm:
Karnal wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 6:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:07pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 5:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19th, 2024 at 3:28pm:
So is Trump a liar for claiming he was responsible for overturning Roe v Wade Fwank???

Quote:
Trump: 'I was able to kill Roe v. Wade'


Huh Huh Huh



After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the “shock” of everyone, and for the first time put the Pro Life movement in a strong negotiating position over the Radicals that are willing to kill babies even into their 9th month, and beyond. Without me there would be no 6 weeks, 10 weeks, 15 weeks, or whatever is finally agreed to. Without me the pro Life movement would have just kept losing. Thank you President TRUMP!!!








You realise it's all bullshit, don't you?

Lol, look who I'm asking.  Of course you don't   Grin


Oh yes, he does. The old boy's stuck defending a policy he doesn't even hold dear to his poor old heart.


What policy do you think I am defending, pantaloon sniffer?




That's a question, dear boy.

You just wanted to say pantaloons, now didn't you?
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