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Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine
Reply #16 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:19pm

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 11:19am:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:46am:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

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So claiming the proposed gold mine has been blocked is more bullshit from you

Directly from the announcement:

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Minister Plibersek has stated that this declaration “will not stop the mine”. To the contrary, this decision does impact a critical area of the Project development site and means the Project is not viable. Regis notes that during the Section 10 assessment process, it was made clear to the Minister that the Project would not be viable if the Section 10 declaration was made and that, while a number of alternatives were considered early in the design process, the Project does not have any currently viable alternative infrastructure locations.

Are you claiming that I wrote that announcement Phil?

No....It was provided by the company trying to dump cyanide into a river which has been blocked....The company does not want to spend more money protecting the environment by finding an alternative....The mine can still go ahead it has not been blocked as you and the company involved claim....So tell me Freediver, would you like cyanide dumped in your local river or creek or do you believe it is a good thing???

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Plibersek said the protection order would take effect immediately and would not affect the development of the open-cut goldmine itself, which was approved in March 2023. The McPhillamys project, owned by Regis Resources, is expected to extract more than 60m tonnes of ore and produce 2m tonnes of gold over its 11-year lifespan.

“Crucially, my decision is not to stop the mine,” Plibersek said. “The company has indicated to me that it has assessed around four sites and 30 potential options for the tailings dam.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/aug/16/rare-order-given-...

Can you explain why you attributed the claim to me, when the company who is building the mine clearly states that the Plibersek decision will block the mine?

Are you suggesting that Plibersek can force them to go ahead with it, even if they consider it uneconomical?

Or are you merely incapable of reading past a politician's spin?

The company has been banned from dumping cyanide into the river....Do you support dumping cyanide into local rivers Freediver you won't say....The spin is you and the company claiming the mine has been banned when it is the tailings dam that has been rejected not the mine....You are a master of spin and stupidity Freediver!!!

The company did not say the mine was 'banned'. Again, this is what the company said:

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To the contrary, this decision does impact a critical area of the Project development site and means the Project is not viable. Regis notes that during the Section 10 assessment process, it was made clear to the Minister that the Project would not be viable if the Section 10 declaration was made and that, while a number of alternatives were considered early in the design process, the Project does not have any currently viable alternative infrastructure locations.

Is there anything at all unclear in that Phil?

No....You are a liar and a flake....The mine has not been blocked it is the dumping of tailings into the local river that is opposed!!!

The company did not write the headline you did!!!

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Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine

How do you justify this lie Freediver....Do you support dumping cyanide into local rivers Freediver....You won't say???

Should enviromental concerns be ignored for profit....Would you like cyanide dumped in your favourite fishing spot Freediver....You won't say???

What is it you are actually complaining about Freediver....You won't say???

Roll Eyes

What lie? Are you still unaware that I quoted the company saying that it would make the mine unviable? Or are you pretending there is a difference between blocking a mine and imposing restrictions on it that make it unviable?

I would appreciate if you could stop hyperventilating long enough to think through what you are saying rationally.

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Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine
Reply #17 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:38pm

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:19pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 11:19am:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:46am:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

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So claiming the proposed gold mine has been blocked is more bullshit from you

Directly from the announcement:

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Minister Plibersek has stated that this declaration “will not stop the mine”. To the contrary, this decision does impact a critical area of the Project development site and means the Project is not viable. Regis notes that during the Section 10 assessment process, it was made clear to the Minister that the Project would not be viable if the Section 10 declaration was made and that, while a number of alternatives were considered early in the design process, the Project does not have any currently viable alternative infrastructure locations.

Are you claiming that I wrote that announcement Phil?

No....It was provided by the company trying to dump cyanide into a river which has been blocked....The company does not want to spend more money protecting the environment by finding an alternative....The mine can still go ahead it has not been blocked as you and the company involved claim....So tell me Freediver, would you like cyanide dumped in your local river or creek or do you believe it is a good thing???

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Plibersek said the protection order would take effect immediately and would not affect the development of the open-cut goldmine itself, which was approved in March 2023. The McPhillamys project, owned by Regis Resources, is expected to extract more than 60m tonnes of ore and produce 2m tonnes of gold over its 11-year lifespan.

“Crucially, my decision is not to stop the mine,” Plibersek said. “The company has indicated to me that it has assessed around four sites and 30 potential options for the tailings dam.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/aug/16/rare-order-given-...

Can you explain why you attributed the claim to me, when the company who is building the mine clearly states that the Plibersek decision will block the mine?

Are you suggesting that Plibersek can force them to go ahead with it, even if they consider it uneconomical?

Or are you merely incapable of reading past a politician's spin?

The company has been banned from dumping cyanide into the river....Do you support dumping cyanide into local rivers Freediver you won't say....The spin is you and the company claiming the mine has been banned when it is the tailings dam that has been rejected not the mine....You are a master of spin and stupidity Freediver!!!

The company did not say the mine was 'banned'. Again, this is what the company said:

Quote:

To the contrary, this decision does impact a critical area of the Project development site and means the Project is not viable. Regis notes that during the Section 10 assessment process, it was made clear to the Minister that the Project would not be viable if the Section 10 declaration was made and that, while a number of alternatives were considered early in the design process, the Project does not have any currently viable alternative infrastructure locations.

Is there anything at all unclear in that Phil?

No....You are a liar and a flake....The mine has not been blocked it is the dumping of tailings into the local river that is opposed!!!

The company did not write the headline you did!!!

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Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine

How do you justify this lie Freediver....Do you support dumping cyanide into local rivers Freediver....You won't say???

Should enviromental concerns be ignored for profit....Would you like cyanide dumped in your favourite fishing spot Freediver....You won't say???

What is it you are actually complaining about Freediver....You won't say???

Roll Eyes

What lie? Are you still unaware that I quoted the company saying that it would make the mine unviable? Or are you pretending there is a difference between blocking a mine and imposing restrictions on it that make it unviable?

I would appreciate if you could stop hyperventilating long enough to think through what you are saying rationally.

Do you agree with dumping cyanide in rivers FD....If the mine is unviable should the enviroment be ignored to maximise profits....Care to answer or keep deflecting???

What is it you are complaining about....You won't say because???

Huh

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11652 armidale Gender:	Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine Reply #18 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:42pm freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:19pm: there is a difference between blocking a mine and imposing restrictions on it that make it unviable yes. And there are 30 options for tailing works.
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Reply #19 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 9:12pm

You are still hyperventilating Phil. Relax, and allow yourself to think. What lie do you think I told?

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And there are 30 options for tailing works.

There is an infinite number. You are only limited by your imagination. We could send the tailings to the moon. But saying there are options misses the real point entirely.

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Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine
Reply #20 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 9:57pm

“Crucially, my decision is not to stop the mine,” Plibersek said. “The company has indicated to me that it has assessed around four sites and 30 potential options for the tailings dam."

Mining engineers have no imagination whatsoever apart from sending tailings to the moon which is quite a good idea when you slow down and think about it as it will employ 7845295 people on Newstart and put Oz on the map of the Moon which let's face it needs a boost (moon not Oz) and the extra minerals and cattle poisons could be used for moon potato industries and hot chips take-aways for Mars expeditions which has heaps of tailings already going by the pics and water, too, mind you, which will be needed for the 29 other options for surplus tailings which is the real point here. OK?

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Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine
Reply #21 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:21pm

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:38pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 7:19pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 1:56pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 11:19am:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:46am:

freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:32am:

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So claiming the proposed gold mine has been blocked is more bullshit from you

Directly from the announcement:

Quote:

Minister Plibersek has stated that this declaration “will not stop the mine”. To the contrary, this decision does impact a critical area of the Project development site and means the Project is not viable. Regis notes that during the Section 10 assessment process, it was made clear to the Minister that the Project would not be viable if the Section 10 declaration was made and that, while a number of alternatives were considered early in the design process, the Project does not have any currently viable alternative infrastructure locations.

Are you claiming that I wrote that announcement Phil?

No....It was provided by the company trying to dump cyanide into a river which has been blocked....The company does not want to spend more money protecting the environment by finding an alternative....The mine can still go ahead it has not been blocked as you and the company involved claim....So tell me Freediver, would you like cyanide dumped in your local river or creek or do you believe it is a good thing???

Quote:

Plibersek said the protection order would take effect immediately and would not affect the development of the open-cut goldmine itself, which was approved in March 2023. The McPhillamys project, owned by Regis Resources, is expected to extract more than 60m tonnes of ore and produce 2m tonnes of gold over its 11-year lifespan.

“Crucially, my decision is not to stop the mine,” Plibersek said. “The company has indicated to me that it has assessed around four sites and 30 potential options for the tailings dam.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/aug/16/rare-order-given-...

Can you explain why you attributed the claim to me, when the company who is building the mine clearly states that the Plibersek decision will block the mine?

Are you suggesting that Plibersek can force them to go ahead with it, even if they consider it uneconomical?

Or are you merely incapable of reading past a politician's spin?

The company has been banned from dumping cyanide into the river....Do you support dumping cyanide into local rivers Freediver you won't say....The spin is you and the company claiming the mine has been banned when it is the tailings dam that has been rejected not the mine....You are a master of spin and stupidity Freediver!!!

The company did not say the mine was 'banned'. Again, this is what the company said:

Quote:

To the contrary, this decision does impact a critical area of the Project development site and means the Project is not viable. Regis notes that during the Section 10 assessment process, it was made clear to the Minister that the Project would not be viable if the Section 10 declaration was made and that, while a number of alternatives were considered early in the design process, the Project does not have any currently viable alternative infrastructure locations.

Is there anything at all unclear in that Phil?

No....You are a liar and a flake....The mine has not been blocked it is the dumping of tailings into the local river that is opposed!!!

The company did not write the headline you did!!!

Quote:

Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine

How do you justify this lie Freediver....Do you support dumping cyanide into local rivers Freediver....You won't say???

Should enviromental concerns be ignored for profit....Would you like cyanide dumped in your favourite fishing spot Freediver....You won't say???

What is it you are actually complaining about Freediver....You won't say???

Roll Eyes

What lie? Are you still unaware that I quoted the company saying that it would make the mine unviable? Or are you pretending there is a difference between blocking a mine and imposing restrictions on it that make it unviable?

I would appreciate if you could stop hyperventilating long enough to think through what you are saying rationally.

Do you agree with dumping cyanide in rivers FD....If the mine is unviable should the enviroment be ignored to maximise profits....Care to answer or keep deflecting???

What is it you are complaining about....You won't say because???

Huh

Not me - I'm just contributing to the quotes on quotes length of page here..... but not happy with polluting waterways.... there are town pools people can swim in .... to actually comment on this specific project you need to actually see the tailings treatments proposed. Government ministers are known for cunning, not intellect.

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Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine
Reply #22 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:25pm

chimera wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 9:57pm:

“Crucially, my decision is not to stop the mine,” Plibersek said. “The company has indicated to me that it has assessed around four sites and 30 potential options for the tailings dam."

Mining engineers have no imagination whatsoever apart from sending tailings to the moon which is quite a good idea when you slow down and think about it as it will employ 7845295 people on Newstart and put Oz on the map of the Moon which let's face it needs a boost (moon not Oz) and the extra minerals and cattle poisons could be used for moon potato industries and hot chips take-aways for Mars expeditions which has heaps of tailings already going by the pics and water, too, mind you, which will be needed for the 29 other options for surplus tailings which is the real point here. OK?

Mars Bars? Moon Shots (photos of... never mind)....

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18537 Gender:	Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine Reply #23 - Aug 19^th, 2024 at 10:38pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 5:33pm: Mus'nt have shares or royalties enough in it for them .... It's the race that stops the nation
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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11652 armidale Gender:	Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine Reply #24 - Aug 20^th, 2024 at 4:46am Farming and gold-mining is a gamble. https://www.saltworkstech.com/applications/mine-water-treatment/?utm_term=mine%2...
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Reply #25 - Aug 20^th, 2024 at 6:29am

I'm still intrigued as to how these wandering small groups had any knowledge and understanding of underground aquifiers while they were out caretaking the land while looking for lunch - that's White Man's science.... all they'd know is where one might form a spring and that was one form of water source... of course they could have drilled down for that water .... used pumps to bring it up ...

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Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine
Reply #26 - Aug 20^th, 2024 at 12:36pm

chimera wrote on Aug 19^th, 2024 at 9:57pm:

“Crucially, my decision is not to stop the mine,” Plibersek said. “The company has indicated to me that it has assessed around four sites and 30 potential options for the tailings dam."

And these assessments have come to what conclusion? Roll Eyes

Realistically they would have looked at the best sites first. So those other 30 are down the list and you expect them to be better? Grin

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11652 armidale Gender:	Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine Reply #27 - Aug 20^th, 2024 at 3:53pm dunno. is a 'site' identical with 'option'? reference Reply # 24.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49133 At my desk.	Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine Reply #28 - Aug 20^th, 2024 at 4:16pm Nobody seems to know Lee. Perhaps it is just one of life's mysteries, for Labor cheerleaders at least.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74740 Gender:	Re: Plibersek and NSW Aborigines block gold mine Reply #29 - Aug 20^th, 2024 at 4:23pm How stupid does one have to be to believe that gold mines are unviable if you can't dump tailings in the local rivers ... FD?
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