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RussiAnVetEraN Gold Member Offline Stunned Posts: 553 Zelenograd Gender:	Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners Reply #45 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 5:04am Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2024 at 5:15pm: Where have all these Russian spies come from? RussiAnVetEraN I'm from Russia. The city of Zelenograd. (The year 2021)
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Reply #46 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 5:11am

chimera wrote on Aug 21^st, 2024 at 6:00pm:

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 21^st, 2024 at 3:53pm:

This means that Russia is now becoming a defender of Christian values against the new liberal values in the world.

Yes, the more Orthodox people that Putin can kill, the better.

I don't know about Putin's future plans. He supports all the traditional religions of Russia at the moment.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11858 Armidale Gender:	Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners Reply #47 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 8:31am From 2014 he has been killing Orthodox in Ukraine.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners Reply #48 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 11:40am Doesn't look like orthodox.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106426 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners Reply #49 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 11:46am RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 5:04am: Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2024 at 5:15pm: Where have all these Russian spies come from? RussiAnVetEraN I'm from Russia. The city of Zelenograd. (The year 2021) You're a Soviet infiltrator on a Western forum.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11858 Armidale Gender:	Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners Reply #50 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am tallowood wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 11:40am: Doesn't look like orthodox. Putin claimed that Ukraine is “an inalienable part of our own history, culture, and spiritual space.” Nearly 80 percent of Ukrainians profess affiliation with an Orthodox denomination,
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Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners
Reply #51 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 11:59am

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 4:37am:

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2024 at 4:28pm:

I doubt he is fooling anyone. Putting aside the issue of starting a pointless war, there is also plenty of direct persecution of Christians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on state interests.[1] Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union.

What does the past of another social system have to do with today's reality?

New Orthodox churches are being built and opened in Russia every day.

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https://time.com/6969273/russias-war-against-evangelicals/

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is accompanied with a strategic effort to repress, control, and crush religious groups outside of the Kremlin controlled Moscow Patriarchate, the Russian Orthodox Church. There are over thirty cases of religious clergy killed and kidnapped. 109 known cases of interrogations, forced expulsions, imprisonments, arrests. 600 houses of worship destroyed. And these are just the confirmed numbers, with the real ones in information blackout of the occupied territories will much likely be higher.

You probably don't know that a few days ago the Ukrainian Parliament banned the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

And more:

REPORT of the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation «Illegal actions by the Kiev regime targeting the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC), its clergy and parishioners»

25 July 2023 - 23:06

7. Response by certain international human rights organisations

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"In addition to this, the UN Human Rights Council published its decision expressing concern with reports about the rights violations faced by UOC believers. In particular, it noted: “The committee is concerned at reports of violence, intimidation and acts of vandalism of places of worship in connection with the process of transitioning churches and religious communities from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church to the newly established Orthodox Church of Ukraine. The Committee is further concerned at the reported inaction of the police in such incidents and the lack of information on investigations conducted by the State party.”
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https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/humanitarian_cooperation/1898457/

You know that is a logical fallacy, right?

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Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners
Reply #52 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 12:25pm

chimera wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 11:50am:

tallowood wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 11:40am:

Doesn't look like orthodox.

Putin claimed that Ukraine is “an inalienable part of our own history, culture, and spiritual space.” Nearly 80 percent of Ukrainians profess affiliation with an Orthodox denomination,

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 4:37am:

You probably don't know that a few days ago the Ukrainian Parliament banned the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

And more:

REPORT of the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation «Illegal actions by the Kiev regime targeting the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC), its clergy and parishioners»

25 July 2023 - 23:06

7. Response by certain international human rights organisations

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"In addition to this, the UN Human Rights Council published its decision expressing concern with reports about the rights violations faced by UOC believers. In particular, it noted: “The committee is concerned at reports of violence, intimidation and acts of vandalism of places of worship in connection with the process of transitioning churches and religious communities from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church to the newly established Orthodox Church of Ukraine. The Committee is further concerned at the reported inaction of the police in such incidents and the lack of information on investigations conducted by the State party.”
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https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/humanitarian_cooperation/1898457/

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11858 Armidale Gender:	Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners Reply #53 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 12:48pm Number of civilian casualties in Ukraine during Russia's invasion verified by OHCHR from February 24, 2022 to July 31, 2024. 11,520. That's 8,800 dead Orthodox, by the order of Putin.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners Reply #54 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 12:58pm Sounds like Zelensky and Porosenko before him are Putin's agents
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11858 Armidale Gender:	Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners Reply #55 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 1:17pm Yes you are making sense there.
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Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners
Reply #56 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 4:52pm

chimera wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 8:31am:

From 2014 he has been killing Orthodox in Ukraine.

Where do you get this data from?

What does the Ukrainian Orthodox Church itself write?

(Their website blocks me, but the website of the Russian Orthodox Church regularly reprints news from their website.)

For example:

UOC church seized in Pylypy village in Ukraine

On 16th July 2024, in Pylypy village, Khmelnytskyi region, Ukraine, representatives of the local authorities, acting together with the OCU activists, seized St. Nicholas Church of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

“The unlawful church seizure was an audacious and coercive act. The front door was forced with police present,” Press Service of the UOC Khmelnytskyi Diocese reported. Among those who staged and carried out the raider attack were a deputy of the district council and the village headman.

The Church of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker in Pylypy, consecrated in 1907, kept functioning even during the years of the atheistic persecutions, to be closed only from 1941 to 1942.

Despite the church seizure, the entire religious community headed by the parish rector, Archpriest Valentin Savchuk, maintains affiliation to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church led by His Beatitude Metropolitan Onuphry. The liturgical life in the parish continues. This Sunday, 21st July 2024, the Divine Liturgy will be celebrated in new premises located near the seized church, adapted for that purpose.

As the Union of Orthodox Journalists reported, in May 2024 the OCU activists announced plans to seize churches in Krasyliv town and Pylypy village. However, at that time, the UOC religious community managed to defend their church.
https://mospat.ru/en/news/91987/

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Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners
Reply #57 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 5:14pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 11:46am:

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 5:04am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2024 at 5:15pm:

Where have all these Russian spies come from?

RussiAnVetEraN

I'm from Russia. The city of Zelenograd. Cool

(The year 2021)

You're a Soviet infiltrator on a Western forum.

What an absurdity!

I am a spy of a non-existent country.

But I am an unusual spy who immediately announced that I am Russian.

I must be a very cunning spy.

Your Australian hospitality is amazing! Cheesy

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Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners
Reply #58 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 5:39pm

freediver wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 11:59am:

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 4:37am:

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2024 at 4:28pm:

I doubt he is fooling anyone. Putting aside the issue of starting a pointless war, there is also plenty of direct persecution of Christians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on state interests.[1] Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union.

What does the past of another social system have to do with today's reality?

New Orthodox churches are being built and opened in Russia every day.

Quote:

https://time.com/6969273/russias-war-against-evangelicals/

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is accompanied with a strategic effort to repress, control, and crush religious groups outside of the Kremlin controlled Moscow Patriarchate, the Russian Orthodox Church. There are over thirty cases of religious clergy killed and kidnapped. 109 known cases of interrogations, forced expulsions, imprisonments, arrests. 600 houses of worship destroyed. And these are just the confirmed numbers, with the real ones in information blackout of the occupied territories will much likely be higher.

You probably don't know that a few days ago the Ukrainian Parliament banned the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

And more:

REPORT of the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation «Illegal actions by the Kiev regime targeting the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC), its clergy and parishioners»

25 July 2023 - 23:06

7. Response by certain international human rights organisations

.....
"In addition to this, the UN Human Rights Council published its decision expressing concern with reports about the rights violations faced by UOC believers. In particular, it noted: “The committee is concerned at reports of violence, intimidation and acts of vandalism of places of worship in connection with the process of transitioning churches and religious communities from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church to the newly established Orthodox Church of Ukraine. The Committee is further concerned at the reported inaction of the police in such incidents and the lack of information on investigations conducted by the State party.”
.....
https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/humanitarian_cooperation/1898457/

You know that is a logical fallacy, right?

Please explain what you see as a logical error?

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Re: Putin signed an executive order for foreigners
Reply #59 - Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 6:10pm

RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 4:52pm:

chimera wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2024 at 8:31am:

From 2014 he has been killing Orthodox in Ukraine.

Where do you get this data from?

Mr Lavrov. He says his little green men from Siberia who were Russian troops but don't exist went to Crimea. There were no Russian troops except for those Russian troops. Crimea was not in Ukraine, has no Orthodox, was in Ukraine and was Orthodox (except for little green men). Vodka is now in plentiful supply. No Russians drink vodka.

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