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Reply #60 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:14pm
 
chimera wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:10pm:
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 4:52pm:
chimera wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 8:31am:
From 2014 he has been killing Orthodox in Ukraine.

Where do you get this data from?

Mr Lavrov. He says his little green men from Siberia who were Russian troops but don't exist went to Crimea. There were no Russian troops except for those Russian troops. Crimea was not in Ukraine, has no Orthodox, was in Ukraine and was Orthodox (except for little green men). Vodka is now in plentiful supply. No Russians drink vodka.



Does Lavrov talk to you at night like Putin to Bobby?
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Reply #61 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:21pm
 
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 5:39pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 11:59am:
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 4:37am:
freediver wrote on Aug 21st, 2024 at 4:28pm:
I doubt he is fooling anyone. Putting aside the issue of starting a pointless war, there is also plenty of direct persecution of Christians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on state interests.[1] Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union.


What does the past of another social system have to do with today's reality?

New Orthodox churches are being built and opened in Russia every day.



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https://time.com/6969273/russias-war-against-evangelicals/

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is accompanied with a strategic effort to repress, control, and crush religious groups outside of the Kremlin controlled Moscow Patriarchate, the Russian Orthodox Church. There are over thirty cases of religious clergy killed and kidnapped. 109 known cases of interrogations, forced expulsions, imprisonments, arrests. 600 houses of worship destroyed. And these are just the confirmed numbers, with the real ones in information blackout of the occupied territories will much likely be higher.


You probably don't know that a few days ago the Ukrainian Parliament banned the Ukrainian Orthodox Church.

And more:

REPORT of the Foreign Ministry of the Russian Federation «Illegal actions by the Kiev regime targeting the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC), its clergy and parishioners»

25 July 2023 - 23:06

7. Response by certain international human rights organisations

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"In addition to this, the UN Human Rights Council published its decision expressing concern with reports about the rights violations faced by UOC believers. In particular, it noted: “The committee is concerned at reports of violence, intimidation and acts of vandalism of places of worship in connection with the process of transitioning churches and religious communities from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church to the newly established Orthodox Church of Ukraine. The Committee is further concerned at the reported inaction of the police in such incidents and the lack of information on investigations conducted by the State party.”
.....
https://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/humanitarian_cooperation/1898457/


You know that is a logical fallacy, right?


Please explain what you see as a logical error?


You appear to think Ukrainian Christians intimidating each other is relevant to whether Russia is persecuting Christians. It isn't. That is how a 5 year old argues. Or someone educated in a communist regime.
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Reply #62 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:37pm
 
tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:14pm:
Does Lavrov talk to you at night

Yes. His face is there on the screen and his lips move. Russia has no troops anywhere. No Ukrainians have died. Russia is destroying the Ukrainian army. Lavrov is not Russian, he speaks the truth.
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Reply #63 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:44pm
 
chimera wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:37pm:
tallowood wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:14pm:
Does Lavrov talk to you at night

Yes. His face is there on the screen and his lips move. Russia has no troops anywhere. No Ukrainians have died. Russia is destroying the Ukrainian army. Lavrov is not Russian, he speaks the truth.


You can go to a psychiatrist together with Bobby, 2 patients in 1 session will save you  money.
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Reply #64 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 7:00pm
 
Yes, psychiatry may explain a lot about Russia but I wouldn't want to pay for the info.
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Reply #65 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 9:01pm
 
chimera wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:10pm:
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 4:52pm:
chimera wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 8:31am:
From 2014 he has been killing Orthodox in Ukraine.

Where do you get this data from?

Mr Lavrov. He says his little green men from Siberia who were Russian troops but don't exist went to Crimea. There were no Russian troops except for those Russian troops. Crimea was not in Ukraine, has no Orthodox, was in Ukraine and was Orthodox (except for little green men). Vodka is now in plentiful supply. No Russians drink vodka.


I still don't understand from your answer where can I see the list of 8,800 murdered Orthodox people?

Where can I look at these thousands of cases with investigations of circumstances where it is indicated who, when and where did these murders take place?
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Reply #66 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 9:23pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:21pm:
You appear to think Ukrainian Christians intimidating each other is relevant to whether Russia is persecuting Christians. It isn't. That is how a 5 year old argues. Or someone educated in a communist regime.


You missed a certain nuance that unites these things.

The Ukrainian authorities do not consider the Orthodox Church of Ukraine as their own people. It considers its representatives to be Russian agents.

Therefore, if a certain Orthodox church is destroyed, it may be with the same degree of probability a consequence of the actions of the Ukrainian authorities.
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Reply #67 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 10:00pm
 
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 9:01pm:
I still don't understand from your answer where can I see the list of 8,800 murdered Orthodox people?

post #50 80% of Ukrainians are Orthodox.
post # 53  Number of civilian casualties in Ukraine during Russia's invasion verified by OHCHR from February 24, 2022 to July 31, 2024.
11,520.
That's 8,800 dead Orthodox, by the order of Putin.
Also about 31,000 Ukrainian troops dead, 24,000 Orthodox.

RussianVeteran says 'Russia is defending Christian values'.
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Reply #68 - Aug 23rd, 2024 at 6:49am
 
chimera wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 10:00pm:
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 9:01pm:
I still don't understand from your answer where can I see the list of 8,800 murdered Orthodox people?

post #50 80% of Ukrainians are Orthodox.
post # 53  Number of civilian casualties in Ukraine during Russia's invasion verified by OHCHR from February 24, 2022 to July 31, 2024.
11,520.
That's 8,800 dead Orthodox, by the order of Putin.
Also about 31,000 Ukrainian troops dead, 24,000 Orthodox.

RussianVeteran says 'Russia is defending Christian values'.


If 80% of Ukrainians are Orthodox Christians, then why don't they protect their church from the government that banned it?

Why aren't there mass protests by these believers who are being robbed of the most sacred thing they have?
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Reply #69 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 3:02am
 
Their church is the Ukrainian one, not the Church of Kremlin. They are defending it and dying. They don't kill the Kremlin clergy of Kyiv. Zelensky the Jew didn't say he was Christian and he didn't invade Orthodox Russia in 2014. But you say Russia is defending Christian values when it invades and kills thousands of Orthodox Christians.
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Reply #70 - Aug 24th, 2024 at 12:04pm
 
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 9:23pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:21pm:
You appear to think Ukrainian Christians intimidating each other is relevant to whether Russia is persecuting Christians. It isn't. That is how a 5 year old argues. Or someone educated in a communist regime.


You missed a certain nuance that unites these things.

The Ukrainian authorities do not consider the Orthodox Church of Ukraine as their own people. It considers its representatives to be Russian agents.

Therefore, if a certain Orthodox church is destroyed, it may be with the same degree of probability a consequence of the actions of the Ukrainian authorities.


You are still being irrational. A church is not a person. And whether it is considered a person in Ukraine still has nothing to do with whether Russia oppresses Christians. That is how a 5 year old argues. Or someone educated in a communist regime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on state interests.[1] Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union.

https://time.com/6969273/russias-war-against-evangelicals/

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is accompanied with a strategic effort to repress, control, and crush religious groups outside of the Kremlin controlled Moscow Patriarchate, the Russian Orthodox Church. There are over thirty cases of religious clergy killed and kidnapped. 109 known cases of interrogations, forced expulsions, imprisonments, arrests. 600 houses of worship destroyed. And these are just the confirmed numbers, with the real ones in information blackout of the occupied territories will much likely be higher.
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Reply #71 - Aug 25th, 2024 at 9:21pm
 
chimera wrote on Aug 24th, 2024 at 3:02am:
Their church is the Ukrainian one, not the Church of Kremlin. They are defending it and dying. They don't kill the Kremlin clergy of Kyiv. Zelensky the Jew didn't say he was Christian and he didn't invade Orthodox Russia in 2014. But you say Russia is defending Christian values when it invades and kills thousands of Orthodox Christians.


The Ukrainian Orthodox Church was banned by the Ukrainian government. Who is protecting it? Who is dying for it? Where are these 80% percent of believers?

Throughout Zelensky's reign, shelling of civilians in Donetsk and Lugansk from cannons and MLRS continued (this was before Russia's Special Military Operation).

I remember what kind of "Christians" came out of the basements of Azovstal.

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Reply #72 - Aug 25th, 2024 at 9:41pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 24th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 9:23pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 6:21pm:
You appear to think Ukrainian Christians intimidating each other is relevant to whether Russia is persecuting Christians. It isn't. That is how a 5 year old argues. Or someone educated in a communist regime.


You missed a certain nuance that unites these things.

The Ukrainian authorities do not consider the Orthodox Church of Ukraine as their own people. It considers its representatives to be Russian agents.

Therefore, if a certain Orthodox church is destroyed, it may be with the same degree of probability a consequence of the actions of the Ukrainian authorities.


You are still being irrational. A church is not a person. And whether it is considered a person in Ukraine still has nothing to do with whether Russia oppresses Christians. That is how a 5 year old argues. Or someone educated in a communist regime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1917–1991), there were periods when Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity to different extents depending on state interests.[1] Soviet Marxist-Leninist policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and ultimately, the elimination of religious beliefs, and it actively encouraged the propagation of Marxist-Leninist atheism in the Soviet Union.

https://time.com/6969273/russias-war-against-evangelicals/

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is accompanied with a strategic effort to repress, control, and crush religious groups outside of the Kremlin controlled Moscow Patriarchate, the Russian Orthodox Church. There are over thirty cases of religious clergy killed and kidnapped. 109 known cases of interrogations, forced expulsions, imprisonments, arrests. 600 houses of worship destroyed. And these are just the confirmed numbers, with the real ones in information blackout of the occupied territories will much likely be higher.


I'll try to explain it to you again.

It is a fact that the Ukrainian authorities are persecuting the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. A few days ago, the Ukrainian authorities issued a law banning it. This is a fact.

Now I ask you: if we see the destroyed building of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, how do we understand who destroyed it? Was it destroyed by Ukrainian nationalist battalions or by Russian troops?

And what is your rationality when you point to the events that took place in the USSR decades ago, when the Communist Party of the Soviet Union ruled?

This party has been gone for a long time.

Now the Russian leadership visits Orthodox churches on the days of great church holidays.
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Reply #73 - Aug 25th, 2024 at 9:48pm
 
RussiAnVetEraN wrote on Aug 25th, 2024 at 9:21pm:
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church was banned by the Ukrainian government. Who is protecting it? Who is dying for it? Where are these 80% percent of believers?

Post by RussiAnVetEraN       Aug 15th, 2024 at 4:44am:
'However, now Ukrainians are taking away churches from this Orthodox Church and transferring them to the newly created (the tomos of Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople in 2019) schismatic structure.'
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Reply #74 - Aug 25th, 2024 at 10:11pm
 
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Now the Russian leadership visits Orthodox churches on the days of great church holidays.


Bible prophesy -

Putin is the anti-Christ who appears in the last days during the End Times.




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