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Reply #30 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:04am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:56am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:44am:
A comparison to Trump could be the collective memories as told by Jews of Oskar Schindler.

When they're asked why he did it - saved them at great risk and expense to himself - pause, as if making a mental mathematical calculation, try to provide a coherent answer, but really don't know.

Schindler was self-interested, self-absorbed, had a voracious appetite for money, was flagrantly unfaithful to his wife to the point of humiliating her by introducing her to his girlfriends, had a criminal mindset, admired crooks, became an early member of the Nazi Party, adopted its ideology, worked for the Nazi Abwehr, revelled in getting away with making money illegally... and on and on...

The one thing all the Schindler Jews do agree on is that he did not harbour any sense of contempt for any ethnicity or underclass - he genuinely had a heart for those who suffered and revelled in being their saviour.






Or, more simply, he was a complicated human being, as we all are ... and despite his historical transgressions appearing unfavorably under the microscope, saved a whole bunch of lives when he didn't need to and at great risk to his own.

Who honestly, as an adult, looks for perfect heroes?

Are you trying to cancel Oskar Schindler?

What is the point to your post?


The point of my post is:

'he was a complicated human being, as we all are ... and despite his historical transgressions appearing unfavorably under the microscope, saved a whole bunch of lives when he didn't need to and at great risk to his own.'

Schindler's personality after the war did not change, although without his faithful Jews keeping him out of bankruptcy and saving him from himself, he failed at everything he ever attempted to recapture his success during the war.

Yet he revelled in seeing 'his' Jews succeed and they loved him back in contrast with the hatred his fellow Germans had for him when his history of saving Jews became common knowledge in Germany during the 60s. Germans regularly abused him in the streets of Frankfurt and spat on him if they could.

In Israel and around the world, Jews treated him like a Messiah.


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Reply #31 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:09am
 
So just another regurgitation of facts. No point.

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Reply #32 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:18am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:09am:
So just another regurgitation of facts. No point.


The point is, that what Schindler and Trump have in common is despite their tendency towards blind self-interest and criminal behaviour, actually have a heart for the underclass or (at least in Trump's case) can project a sense of empathy for the downtrodden, the underclass and the outsider - and that is why Trump won the election - whose voters transcended ethnicity, class, affluence (or the lack thereof) and gender.
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Reply #33 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:23am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:18am:
mothra wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:09am:
So just another regurgitation of facts. No point.


The point is, that what Schindler and Trump have in common is despite their tendency towards blind self-interest and criminal behaviour, actually have a heart for the underclass or (at least in Trump's case) can project a sense of empathy for the downtrodden, the underclass and the outsider - and that is why Trump won the election - whose voters transcended ethnicity, class, affluence (or the lack thereof) and gender.


Ah!  So Trump is LITERALLY Hitler and Schindler.



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Reply #34 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:38am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:20am:
Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:49am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:
Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

You're right about Trump... To him, power is a stag head on the wall.

Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.

My guess is that the mundane banality of the work power requires will ultimately bore him. He wants to ride fast, break things and build spaceships in the basement. The clean-up is for the butler and the maid.


Ha! Very good points. Yes, the big fella loves a jolly trophy. To him, the White House is no more than one of the medals he got at military school for shining his belt buckle. All he cares about is erections.

I'd suggest the same is true for dark MAGA Elon. Why would he care about bean counting? Their policies come directly from memes, rally chants and stuff that rated well in a podcast interview.

The US government has no waste to trim. DL's already emphatically committed to not cutting social security. He wants to expand the military. Where to go?

You can't make cuts at Energy. Their main job is to take care of nuclear weapons stocks. There's nothing in Education to cut.

Their entire agenda is doomed to failure, but do you know?

They don't give a shit. Their plan is to fake it on far right media, which have their backs. Suddenly under Trump, all those Biden policies will turn out to be grand. The economy? In excellent shape. Inflation? Under control. Spending?

SLASHED.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?


NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED!

Anyone who tries to change the Uniparty is doomed to failure, vilification, ridicule.

A Democrat led US is the best of all possible worlds. Any change to it is evil AND impossible


Of course it can't be changed. The budget?

Fixed. Over three quarters is military, social security and Medicaid - programs your DL is fully committed to funding. Can't be changed.

The border?

Immutable. Your DL tried building a big, beautiful wall. He settled on fixing steel barriers already under repair. Over half a trill in trade both ways goes through its entry points every year. No one's going to interfere with that, the US economy relies on it.

The economy?

Steady. Around 2.5% in GDP growth, better than ours, better than any G7 economy. DL's not going to touch it. He's promised another corporate tax cut. No worries - the last one added $4 tril to the deficit, growing even more, currently at 6.4% of GDP.

It's not so much how the economy will change, but how wealth will be distributed. Your DL's planned tax cuts for high income earners will see those earning over a mil get tax cuts of $60,000 or more. A 3% corporate tax cut will see funds directly added to share prices, raising the value of stockholders' portfolios. With the economy holding firm, nothing can be changed on the economic front, only moved around.

Inflation?

Stable, at 2.4%. Petrol is not $10 a gallon. Bacon is not $20 a rasher. These are lies. The US is still sliding out of post-covid supply chain issues and a shortage of labour, skilled or otherwise. Employment sits at 4%, an historic low. The demand for labour has pushed up wage growth, another cause of inflation. Your DL plans to push inflation up higher by raising tariffs, a minimum 20% on all imported goods. That's a 20% rise to the cost of building, clothing, electronic goods and a host of other items. No foreign company is going to move to the US, start manufacturing and selling goods/services in the next four years, so if your DL sticks to his plan, he'll add a minimum of 10 to 20% to the average inflation rate.

As you can see, nothing can or will be changed, only redistributed - to you-know-who. This was, of course, your DL's plan all along - to stay out of jail and start pumping wealth to his friends, the billionaires.

But do you know? One thing will change.

Trannies?

Around 200 will lose their positions in the US military - the redundancy packages and legal costs defending their litigation and appeals will be added to the US budget. They'll lose their access to the ladies' toilets in the federal Capitol - the only way they'll be able to get in is if they dress up as women and use the stalls. Federal prisoners will have their requests for transgender surgery declined - saving the US budget $400,000 for two sex change operations.

Correction: one. The other federal prisoner who requested surgery was released on parole.

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Reply #35 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:59am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:38am:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:20am:
NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED!

Anyone who tries to change the Uniparty is doomed to failure, vilification, ridicule.

A Democrat led US is the best of all possible worlds. Any change to it is evil AND impossible


Of course it can't be changed. The budget?

Fixed. Over three quarters is military, social security and Medicaid - programs your DL is fully committed to funding. Can't be changed.

The border?

Immutable. Your DL tried building a big, beautiful wall. He settled on fixing steel barriers already under repair. Over half a trill in trade both ways goes through its entry points every year. No one's going to interfere with that, the US economy relies on it.

The economy?

Steady. Around 2.5% in GDP growth, better than ours, better than any G7 economy. DL's not going to touch it. He's promised another corporate tax cut. No worries - the last one added $4 tril to the deficit, growing even more, currently at 6.4% of GDP.

It's not so much how the economy will change, but how wealth will be distributed. Your DL's planned tax cuts for high income earners will see those earning over a mil get tax cuts of $60,000 or more. A 3% corporate tax cut will see funds directly added to share prices, raising the value of stockholders' portfolios. With the economy holding firm, nothing can be changed on the economic front, only moved around.

Inflation?

Stable, at 2.4%. Petrol is not $10 a gallon. Bacon is not $20 a rasher. These are lies. The US is still sliding out of post-covid supply chain issues and a shortage of labour, skilled or otherwise. Employment sits at 4%, an historic low. The demand for labour has pushed up wage growth, another cause of inflation. Your DL plans to push inflation up higher by raising tariffs, a minimum 20% on all imported goods. That's a 20% rise to the cost of building, clothing, electronic goods and a host of other items. No foreign company is going to move to the US, start manufacturing and selling goods/services in the next four years, so if your DL sticks to his plan, he'll add at least 20%, so suck it up. Suddenly, inflation will become a good thing.

So as you can see, nothing can or will be changed, only redistributed - to you-know-who. But do you know? One thing will change.

Trannies?

Around 200 will lose their positions in the US military. The redundancy packages and legal costs defending their litigation and appeals will be added to the US budget. Trannies will also lose their access to the ladies' toilets in the federal Capitol. Federal prisoners will have their requests for transgender surgery declined, saving the US budget $400,000 for two sex change operations.

Correction: one. The other federal prisoner who requested surgery was released on parole.

WITCH HUNT !!!


And LAWFARE!   You have all the silly nonsense at your fingertips, don't  you.

You are simultaneously outraged that Trump wants to change things, people elect him to change things- then you insist that nothing can possibly be changed and everything will remain the same.  So why the hell are you, groggy slime, Sad, and the rest of you  poons SOOO exercised by Trump if he's not able to make any difference anyway??

You did this with every non-lefty since the '70. Howard and Abbott, Reagan, Bushitler and Trump. All were simpletons, elected by idiots. Then along come the Clintons and Obamas and Bidens ( Cheesy), Kevnis,  Gillards and Albos and the the rising seas were calmed, the clouds parted and the chi-chi gays lay down with the gruesome jihadis.

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Reply #36 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:21pm
 
On the contrary, old boy, we've just showed how your DL will tackle the delicate problem of, ahem, transexuals.

Is there anything in the above post you'd care to rebut?

Try to be specific. Feel free to address the criteria above. I'm sure you've read his costed policy proposals, yes? Kindly include them in your reply.

We'll expect a more nuanced response than "doing things differently", dear chap. We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, after all.

You may care to include quotes from his multiple rally transcripts, his Truth Social posts, Fake News interviews or appearances on the Nelk Boys, Impaulsive, Theo Von, the Dan Bongino Show and Bussin' with the Boys.

Please explain?
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Reply #37 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:27pm
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
On the contrary, old boy, we've just showed how your DL will tackle the delicate problem of, ahem, transexuals.

Is there anything in the above post you'd care to rebut?

Try to be specific. Feel free to address the criteria above. I'm sure you've read his costed policy proposals, yes? Kindly include them in your reply.

We'll expect a more nuanced response than "doing things differently", dear chap. We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, after all.

You may care to include quotes from his multiple rally transcripts, his Truth Social posts, Fake News interviews or appearances on the Nelk Boys, Impaulsive, Theo Von, the Dan Bongino Show and Bussin' with the Boys.

Please explain?

All the things you listed will change under Trump. That's why you are bothered so much about him.
You wouldn't bother if it didn't matter.


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Reply #38 - Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:42pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
On the contrary, old boy, we've just showed how your DL will tackle the delicate problem of, ahem, transexuals.

Is there anything in the above post you'd care to rebut?

Try to be specific. Feel free to address the criteria above. I'm sure you've read his costed policy proposals, yes? Kindly include them in your reply.

We'll expect a more nuanced response than "doing things differently", dear chap. We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, after all.

You may care to include quotes from his multiple rally transcripts, his Truth Social posts, Fake News interviews or appearances on the Nelk Boys, Impaulsive, Theo Von, the Dan Bongino Show and Bussin' with the Boys.

Please explain?

All the things you listed will change under Trump. That's why you are bothered so much about him.
You wouldn't bother if it didn't matter.




Sorry, are you disagreeing with something here?

Or do you agree?

That's a question. You appear to be disagreeing with agreeing. That counters itself out, and ipso facto, you concur.

If there's anything you beg to differ on, please say it now. Would you preferred he tried to get Congress on side to allow transexual men to use the ladies' toilets? 

Please explain?
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Reply #39 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 4:54am
 
“as an adult”

Alas, that applies to so few here.
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Reply #40 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:05am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 10:42pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 5:21pm:
On the contrary, old boy, we've just showed how your DL will tackle the delicate problem of, ahem, transexuals.

Is there anything in the above post you'd care to rebut?

Try to be specific. Feel free to address the criteria above. I'm sure you've read his costed policy proposals, yes? Kindly include them in your reply.

We'll expect a more nuanced response than "doing things differently", dear chap. We are talking about the Leader of the Free World, after all.

You may care to include quotes from his multiple rally transcripts, his Truth Social posts, Fake News interviews or appearances on the Nelk Boys, Impaulsive, Theo Von, the Dan Bongino Show and Bussin' with the Boys.

Please explain?

All the things you listed will change under Trump. That's why you are bothered so much about him.
You wouldn't bother if it didn't matter.




Sorry, are you disagreeing with something here?

Or do you agree?

That's a question. You appear to be disagreeing with agreeing. That counters itself out, and ipso facto, you concur.

If there's anything you beg to differ on, please say it now. Would you preferred he tried to get Congress on side to allow transexual men to use the ladies' toilets? 

Please explain?

You are simultaneously outraged that Trump wants to change things, people elect him to change things- then you insist that nothing can possibly be changed and everything will remain the same.  So why the hell are you, groggy slime, Sad, and the rest of you  poons SOOO exercised by Trump if he's not able to make any difference anyway??

You did this with every non-lefty since the '70. Howard and Abbott, Reagan, Bushitler and Trump. All were simpletons, elected by idiots. Then along come the Clintons and Obamas and Bidens ( Cheesy), Kevnis,  Gillards and Albos and the the rising seas were calmed, the clouds parted and the chi-chi gays lay down with the gruesome jihadis.

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Reply #41 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:24am
 
mothra wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 8:04pm:
Elon Musk suggests support for replacing democracy with government of ‘high-status males’



Elon Musk has used his large platform on X to promote a theory that a free-thinking “Republic” could only exist under the decision-making of “high status males” – and women or “low T men” would not be welcome in it.

On Sunday, Musk re-posted a screenshot of the theory – which appears to have been conceived on 4chan in 2021– on the social media site.

The theory, written by an anonymous user, suggests that the only people able to think freely are “high [testostrone] alpha males” and “aneurotypical people”, and that these “high status males” should run a “Republic” that is “only for those who are free to think.”

“People who can’t defend themselves physically (women and low T men) parse information through a consensus filter as a safety mechanism,” the post reads.
“Only high T alpha males and aneurotypical people (hey autists!) are actually free to parse new information with an objective ‘is this true?’ filter,” it adds. “This is why a Republic of high status males is best for decision making. Democratic, but a democracy only for those who are free to think.”


“Aneurotypical” is not a word but one can assume the original poster meant neurodivergent people.

Theories like this, which promote hegemonic masculinity, are often criticized for being sexist, exclusionary, not realistic and “toxic.” They are popular in alt-right communities.

“Interesting observation,” Musk said, in response to the post.

The screenshot of the theory was uploaded to X by an account called “AutismCapital” which often posts memes that appeal to right-wing individuals and support Musk’s endeavors.

It claimed the theory was “also known as the Reich effect” - seemingly a reference to Robert Reich, the former Secretary of Labor, who wrote an op-ed in The Guardian last week claiming that Musk is “out of control” and needs to be stopped.

Much of the account’s Sunday content was targeted at mocking Reich while defending the billionaire.

It is unclear if Musk re-posted the theory because he agreed with it or because it critized Reich. It’s not unlike Musk to dabble in controversial theories and misleading information on his social media platform.

The SpaceX founder often takes the stance that controversial, and sometimes offensive, posts on X are part of “free speech” and should be allowed on the platform – even when it includes false or misleading information.

That is, in part, why X was blocked in Brazil on Friday. Musk refused to comply with a legal order in a long-running battle that ignited after the social media site failed to block accounts accused of spreading fake news.

The Independent has asked X and Musk for further comment on his repost.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/elon-musk-suggests-support-for-replacing-de...


Great post.

But a warning from Prof. Steve Keen:

My book explains why Reeves’ obsession—and Musk’s in the USA—with running a balanced budget looks sensible to her. IF the Neoclassical model of banking, called Loanable Funds, is correct, THEN the future crisis that she and Musk fear is inevitable. Government debt and interest rates skyrocket, and GDP collapses.

But the model is wrong. Households don’t lend to firms, nor do they buy bonds off the Treasury (at the initial auction of bonds): banks do. And the government’s main bank accounts are at the Central Bank, not private banks. By simply removing those two false assumptions, a totally different outcome applies. A government deficit results in a growing money supply, and no crisis.


So Musk,  leader of the DOGE, doesn't  understand macroeconomics...

Delorable.





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Reply #42 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:28am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:24am:
So Musk,  leader of the DOGE, doesn't  understand macroeconomics...

Deplorable.



And Trump doesn't understand ... anything.

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Reply #43 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:43am
 
Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 11:38am:
Frank wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 9:20am:
Karnal wrote on Nov 29th, 2024 at 8:49am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 28th, 2024 at 6:12am:
Karnal wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 10:37pm:
He's also a card-carrying futurist who's turned to join the fascists.

His goal is to replace Western democracy with a macho technocratic oligarchy. 

Trump is already over him. Unfortunately, Musk is holding the purse strings.

One thing we know, Trump's no Mussolini. Power bores him. All Trump wants is adulation.

All Elon wants is power. Jack Spratt could eat no fat, no?

You're right about Trump... To him, power is a stag head on the wall.

Musk is a genius with the emotional capacity of a 15-year-old.

My guess is that the mundane banality of the work power requires will ultimately bore him. He wants to ride fast, break things and build spaceships in the basement. The clean-up is for the butler and the maid.


Ha! Very good points. Yes, the big fella loves a jolly trophy. To him, the White House is no more than one of the medals he got at military school for shining his belt buckle. All he cares about is erections.

I'd suggest the same is true for dark MAGA Elon. Why would he care about bean counting? Their policies come directly from memes, rally chants and stuff that rated well in a podcast interview.

The US government has no waste to trim. DL's already emphatically committed to not cutting social security. He wants to expand the military. Where to go?

You can't make cuts at Energy. Their main job is to take care of nuclear weapons stocks. There's nothing in Education to cut.

Their entire agenda is doomed to failure, but do you know?

They don't give a shit. Their plan is to fake it on far right media, which have their backs. Suddenly under Trump, all those Biden policies will turn out to be grand. The economy? In excellent shape. Inflation? Under control. Spending?

SLASHED.

We'll win so much we'll grow tired of winning, no?


NOTHING CAN EVER BE CHANGED!

Anyone who tries to change the Uniparty is doomed to failure, vilification, ridicule.

A Democrat led US is the best of all possible worlds. Any change to it is evil AND impossible


Of course it can't be changed. The budget?

Fixed. Over three quarters is military, social security and Medicaid - programs your DL is fully committed to funding. Can't be changed.


Karnal, while I appreciate your humourous exposes' of  blinded by ideology  Conservatives, and their inability to  debate in a logical fashion (Frank being a prime example), I suspect your knowledge of macro economic is also...shaky?.....

From prof Steve Keen's latest book:

My book explains why Reeves’ obsession—and Musk’s in the USA—with running a balanced budget looks sensible to her. IF the Neoclassical model of banking, called Loanable Funds, is correct, THEN the future crisis that she and Musk fear is inevitable. Government debt and interest rates skyrocket, and GDP collapses.

But the model is wrong. Households don’t lend to firms, nor do they buy bonds off the Treasury (at the initial auction of bonds): banks do. And the government’s main bank accounts are at the Central Bank, not private banks. By simply removing those two false assumptions, a totally different outcome applies. A government deficit results in a growing money supply, and no crisis.


Hope this helps you and Musk - the director of the new DOGE (!), no less...




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Reply #44 - Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:48am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 9:43am:
Karnal, while I appreciate your humourous exposes' of  blinded by ideology  Conservatives, and their inability to  debate in a logical fashion (Frank being a prime example), I suspect your knowledge of macro economic is also...shaky?.....

From prof Steve Keen's latest book:

My book explains why Reeves’ obsession—and Musk’s in the USA—with running a balanced budget looks sensible to her. IF the Neoclassical model of banking, called Loanable Funds, is correct, THEN the future crisis that she and Musk fear is inevitable. Government debt and interest rates skyrocket, and GDP collapses.

But the model is wrong. Households don’t lend to firms, nor do they buy bonds off the Treasury (at the initial auction of bonds): banks do. And the government’s main bank accounts are at the Central Bank, not private banks. By simply removing those two false assumptions, a totally different outcome applies. A government deficit results in a growing money supply, and no crisis.


Hope this helps you and Musk - the director of the new DOGE (!), no less...






Ah... the Venezuelan economic model. Or is it called Zimbabwean?

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