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Reply #60 - Sep 11^th, 2024 at 9:43am

Frank wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 6:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. He used the word ‘independent’ and ‘we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.’ You gotta say that’s pretty savvy.

You.

Roll the tape:

BUCK: Mr. President, in the last 24 hours we know Russia has said that they are recognizing two breakaway regions of Ukraine, and now this White House is stating that this is an “invasion.” That’s a strong word. What went wrong here? What has the current occupant of the Oval Office done that he could have done differently?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, what went wrong was a rigged election and what went wrong is a candidate that shouldn’t be there and a man that has no concept of what he’s doing. I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. (sarcastic)

So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… I know him very well. Very, very well.

By the way, this never would have happened with us. Had I been in office, not even thinkable. This would never have happened. But here’s a guy that says, you know, “I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,” he used the word “independent,” “and we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.” You gotta say that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn’t have one for that. No, it’s very sad. Very sad.
https://www.clayandbuck.com/president-trump-with-cb-from-mar-a-lago

So you agree that Trump said Putin's invasion, while framing it as a peace keeping missions, was "genius", "savvy", “pretty smart” and "wonderful", but you're pretending it was sarcasm?

Haha...

So to answer your question,

Frank wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

Sounds like you have a quote where Trump supported the Russian attack on Ukraine.
Well, let's have it.

Yes we do, and I'm glad we agree on it.

Or will you do the standard,

Trump Didn't say that.
But if he did say that, it’s not what he meant.
But if he meant it, you’re misunderstanding him.
But if you understand it, it’s not a big deal.
But if it is, Obama/Hillary/Biden/Harris did worse.

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Re: Conservatives against trump
Reply #62 - Sep 11^th, 2024 at 10:46am

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 9:43am:

Frank wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 6:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. He used the word ‘independent’ and ‘we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.’ You gotta say that’s pretty savvy.

You.

Roll the tape:

BUCK: Mr. President, in the last 24 hours we know Russia has said that they are recognizing two breakaway regions of Ukraine, and now this White House is stating that this is an “invasion.” That’s a strong word. What went wrong here? What has the current occupant of the Oval Office done that he could have done differently?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, what went wrong was a rigged election and what went wrong is a candidate that shouldn’t be there and a man that has no concept of what he’s doing. I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. (sarcastic)

So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… I know him very well. Very, very well.

By the way, this never would have happened with us. Had I been in office, not even thinkable. This would never have happened. But here’s a guy that says, you know, “I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,” he used the word “independent,” “and we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.” You gotta say that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn’t have one for that. No, it’s very sad. Very sad.
https://www.clayandbuck.com/president-trump-with-cb-from-mar-a-lago

So you agree that Trump said Putin's invasion, while framing it as a peace keeping missions, was "genius", "savvy", “pretty smart” and "wonderful", but you're pretending it was sarcasm?

Haha...

So to answer your question,

Frank wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

Sounds like you have a quote where Trump supported the Russian attack on Ukraine.
Well, let's have it.

Yes we do, and I'm glad we agree on it.

Or will you do the standard,

Trump Didn't say that.
But if he did say that, it’s not what he meant.
But if he meant it, you’re misunderstanding him.
But if you understand it, it’s not a big deal.
But if it is, Obama/Hillary/Biden/Harris did worse.

Nonsense.

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Re: Conservatives against trump
Reply #63 - Sep 11^th, 2024 at 10:54am

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 9:43am:

Or will you do the standard,

Trump Didn't say that.
But if he did say that, it’s not what he meant.
But if he meant it, you’re misunderstanding him.
But if you understand it, it’s not a big deal.
But if it is, Obama/Hillary/Biden/Harris did worse.

Yep, that's exactly what they do - every time.

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Re: Conservatives against trump
Reply #64 - Sep 11^th, 2024 at 4:58pm

thought Cheney was an homme sérieux. But, in the end, he wasn't. The Bush years have to be accounted a terrible failure, in which the leadership of the then dominant superpower was unable to grasp the simplest of truths - not least about the need for strategic clarity. Under Cheney, America launched wars with no war aims, in which it deluded itself that "smart bombs" counted for more than will. Meanwhile, on the home front, the rate of Muslim immigration to America doubled ...because it was more important to show the world how nice we are than to consider the cultural consequences of demographic transformation. So the west spent twenty years fighting over the most barren and worthless sod on the planet, while surrendering Malmö and Marseille, Rotterdam and Nottingham, and Lewiston-Auburn, Maine. This is what happens when you have a political class almost entirely disconnected from the rhythms of real life in real countries.

So Trump has performed a great service in driving the likes of Cheney to vote Kamala. The feeble charade of TweedleDem vs TweedleRep is designed to obscure the central fact of end-stage western "democracy" - that, on anything that really matters, nothing can be permitted to change. Thus, having Dick Cheney and Ilhan Omar formally on the same team is very helpful. Trump has driven the "respectable" political class to make the Uniparty literal, and its consolidation has freed up space for an actual second party. (On his recent podcast, my former National Review colleague John Derbyshire has more on this.)

For most of this century, while the "right" shrivelled conservatism to unwon wars, globalist economics and cultural surrender, the voters kept telling the political class they would like a wider choice on Election Day. Hence, eventually, even in the frozen American system, the coming of Trumpism. Whatever happens after November, there are no takers among the GOP base for a return to Bush-Cheney "conservatism".

As for the no-greater-threat-to-our-republic bollocks, it's just a few weeks since a would-be assassin put a bullet through the ear of the alleged greatest threat. That day provided a telling contrast - between Trump's defiance in immediately rising to his feet and raising his fist ...and Bush on 9/11 being hustled off while in the middle of reading My Pet Goat to a roomful of grade-schoolers and then agreeing to Secret Service demands that he spend the rest of the day on Air Force One being shuttled from one "safe" location to another and thereby rendering himself entirely invisible to the American people.

Be that as it may, it quickly became clear - not least through multiple lies and obfuscations in Congressional testimony - that the Secret Service and other elements in the federal government created the conditions that permitted that bullet to hit a former president in the head (and kill an American citizen). And that's putting it at its mildest: even after the shooting was underway, it was a local copper - not the feds - who was the first to fire back and hit the alleged perp.

Consider the implications of that, especially if you're the family of Corey Comperatore. That's a far "greater threat to our republic" than the man those corrupted alphabet agencies failed to protect. Cheney is contemptible.
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Re: Conservatives against trump
Reply #65 - Sep 20^th, 2024 at 10:30pm

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......... six-term S.C. Republican Congressman Bob Inglis is adding his name to the growing list of Reagan- and Bush-era conservatives who say they plan to vote in November for Democratic presidential candidate and current Vice President Kamala Harris............

............... “Donald Trump is a clear and present danger to the republic,” Inglis told the Charleston City Paper in an exclusive Monday interview. “He’s disqualified based on character and rationality, so I’ll be voting for Kamala Harris.” ...........

............. “He’s been unfaithful to three wives,” Inglis said. “Why would we, at the altar with him as the fourth, think that he’s going to be faithful to us? Talk about irrationality.” ............

https://charlestoncitypaper.com/2024/09/17/inglis-endorses-harris-calling-trump-...

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Re: Conservatives against trump
Reply #66 - Sep 26^th, 2024 at 9:18pm

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............ More than 100 Republican former lawmakers and officials endorsed Democratic presidential nominee Vice President Kamala Harris in a letter, while warning that their own party’s candidate, former President Donald Trump, is “unfit to serve again.”

In the letter, shared by the Harris campaign Wednesday, 111 former national security and foreign policy officials said that despite their disagreements with the vice president’s policies, “we believe that she possesses the essential qualities to serve as President and Donald Trump does not.”

They decried Trump for sowing “daily chaos in government” during his first term in office, arguing that he put his personal interests before the country’s and “violated his oath of office” by inciting the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. .....................

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/18/republicans-endorse-harris-over-trump.html

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Re: Conservatives against trump
Reply #67 - Sep 26^th, 2024 at 9:51pm

Frank wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 10:46am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 9:43am:

Frank wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 6:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, ‘This is genius.’ Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine — Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. He used the word ‘independent’ and ‘we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.’ You gotta say that’s pretty savvy.

You.

Roll the tape:

BUCK: Mr. President, in the last 24 hours we know Russia has said that they are recognizing two breakaway regions of Ukraine, and now this White House is stating that this is an “invasion.” That’s a strong word. What went wrong here? What has the current occupant of the Oval Office done that he could have done differently?

PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, what went wrong was a rigged election and what went wrong is a candidate that shouldn’t be there and a man that has no concept of what he’s doing. I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, “This is genius.” Putin declares a big portion of the Ukraine — of Ukraine. Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. (sarcastic)

So, Putin is now saying, “It’s independent,” a large section of Ukraine. I said, “How smart is that?” And he’s gonna go in and be a peacekeeper. That’s strongest peace force… We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen. There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re gonna keep peace all right. No, but think of it. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy… I know him very well. Very, very well.

By the way, this never would have happened with us. Had I been in office, not even thinkable. This would never have happened. But here’s a guy that says, you know, “I’m gonna declare a big portion of Ukraine independent,” he used the word “independent,” “and we’re gonna go out and we’re gonna go in and we’re gonna help keep peace.” You gotta say that’s pretty savvy. And you know what the response was from Biden? There was no response. They didn’t have one for that. No, it’s very sad. Very sad.
https://www.clayandbuck.com/president-trump-with-cb-from-mar-a-lago

So you agree that Trump said Putin's invasion, while framing it as a peace keeping missions, was "genius", "savvy", “pretty smart” and "wonderful", but you're pretending it was sarcasm?

Haha...

So to answer your question,

Frank wrote on Sep 10^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

Sounds like you have a quote where Trump supported the Russian attack on Ukraine.
Well, let's have it.

Yes we do, and I'm glad we agree on it.

Or will you do the standard,

Trump Didn't say that.
But if he did say that, it’s not what he meant.
But if he meant it, you’re misunderstanding him.
But if you understand it, it’s not a big deal.
But if it is, Obama/Hillary/Biden/Harris did worse.

Nonsense.

Toosh Magroosh.

Nonsense, never ever, not satire and ever so not-racist.

You do love the N word, no?

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Re: Conservatives against trump
Reply #68 - Sep 26^th, 2024 at 9:55pm

Frank wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 4:58pm:

thought Cheney was an homme sérieux. But, in the end, he wasn't. The Bush years have to be accounted a terrible failure, in which the leadership of the then dominant superpower was unable to grasp the simplest of truths - not least about the need for strategic clarity. Under Cheney, America launched wars with no war aims, in which it deluded itself that "smart bombs" counted for more than will. Meanwhile, on the home front, the rate of Muslim immigration to America doubled ...because it was more important to show the world how nice we are than to consider the cultural consequences of demographic transformation. So the west spent twenty years fighting over the most barren and worthless sod on the planet, while surrendering Malmö and Marseille, Rotterdam and Nottingham, and Lewiston-Auburn, Maine. This is what happens when you have a political class almost entirely disconnected from the rhythms of real life in real countries.

So Trump has performed a great service in driving the likes of Cheney to vote Kamala. The feeble charade of TweedleDem vs TweedleRep is designed to obscure the central fact of end-stage western "democracy" - that, on anything that really matters, nothing can be permitted to change. Thus, having Dick Cheney and Ilhan Omar formally on the same team is very helpful. Trump has driven the "respectable" political class to make the Uniparty literal, and its consolidation has freed up space for an actual second party. (On his recent podcast, my former National Review colleague John Derbyshire has more on this.)

For most of this century, while the "right" shrivelled conservatism to unwon wars, globalist economics and cultural surrender, the voters kept telling the political class they would like a wider choice on Election Day. Hence, eventually, even in the frozen American system, the coming of Trumpism. Whatever happens after November, there are no takers among the GOP base for a return to Bush-Cheney "conservatism".

As for the no-greater-threat-to-our-republic bollocks, it's just a few weeks since a would-be assassin put a bullet through the ear of the alleged greatest threat. That day provided a telling contrast - between Trump's defiance in immediately rising to his feet and raising his fist ...and Bush on 9/11 being hustled off while in the middle of reading My Pet Goat to a roomful of grade-schoolers and then agreeing to Secret Service demands that he spend the rest of the day on Air Force One being shuttled from one "safe" location to another and thereby rendering himself entirely invisible to the American people.

Be that as it may, it quickly became clear - not least through multiple lies and obfuscations in Congressional testimony - that the Secret Service and other elements in the federal government created the conditions that permitted that bullet to hit a former president in the head (and kill an American citizen). And that's putting it at its mildest: even after the shooting was underway, it was a local copper - not the feds - who was the first to fire back and hit the alleged perp.

Consider the implications of that, especially if you're the family of Corey Comperatore. That's a far "greater threat to our republic" than the man those corrupted alphabet agencies failed to protect. Cheney is contemptible.
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Re: Conservatives against trump
Reply #69 - Sep 26^th, 2024 at 10:47pm

Dnarever wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 9:55pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 4:58pm:

thought Cheney was an homme sérieux. But, in the end, he wasn't. The Bush years have to be accounted a terrible failure, in which the leadership of the then dominant superpower was unable to grasp the simplest of truths - not least about the need for strategic clarity. Under Cheney, America launched wars with no war aims, in which it deluded itself that "smart bombs" counted for more than will. Meanwhile, on the home front, the rate of Muslim immigration to America doubled ...because it was more important to show the world how nice we are than to consider the cultural consequences of demographic transformation. So the west spent twenty years fighting over the most barren and worthless sod on the planet, while surrendering Malmö and Marseille, Rotterdam and Nottingham, and Lewiston-Auburn, Maine. This is what happens when you have a political class almost entirely disconnected from the rhythms of real life in real countries.

So Trump has performed a great service in driving the likes of Cheney to vote Kamala. The feeble charade of TweedleDem vs TweedleRep is designed to obscure the central fact of end-stage western "democracy" - that, on anything that really matters, nothing can be permitted to change. Thus, having Dick Cheney and Ilhan Omar formally on the same team is very helpful. Trump has driven the "respectable" political class to make the Uniparty literal, and its consolidation has freed up space for an actual second party. (On his recent podcast, my former National Review colleague John Derbyshire has more on this.)

For most of this century, while the "right" shrivelled conservatism to unwon wars, globalist economics and cultural surrender, the voters kept telling the political class they would like a wider choice on Election Day. Hence, eventually, even in the frozen American system, the coming of Trumpism. Whatever happens after November, there are no takers among the GOP base for a return to Bush-Cheney "conservatism".

As for the no-greater-threat-to-our-republic bollocks, it's just a few weeks since a would-be assassin put a bullet through the ear of the alleged greatest threat. That day provided a telling contrast - between Trump's defiance in immediately rising to his feet and raising his fist ...and Bush on 9/11 being hustled off while in the middle of reading My Pet Goat to a roomful of grade-schoolers and then agreeing to Secret Service demands that he spend the rest of the day on Air Force One being shuttled from one "safe" location to another and thereby rendering himself entirely invisible to the American people.

Be that as it may, it quickly became clear - not least through multiple lies and obfuscations in Congressional testimony - that the Secret Service and other elements in the federal government created the conditions that permitted that bullet to hit a former president in the head (and kill an American citizen). And that's putting it at its mildest: even after the shooting was underway, it was a local copper - not the feds - who was the first to fire back and hit the alleged perp.

Consider the implications of that, especially if you're the family of Corey Comperatore. That's a far "greater threat to our republic" than the man those corrupted alphabet agencies failed to protect. Cheney is contemptible.
Mark Steyn

You can get a clock that has a little bird that comes out every hour and says -

There - your mental 'acuity' ( Cheesy

) on display.
Don't go to Springfield Ohio, Haitians catch and eat dumb birds like you.

I am not at all surprised that you are utterly incapable of addressing any point with even a tentative attempt at coherent refutation. A cuckoo clock is what speaks your mind, now and always.

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Re: Conservatives against trump
Reply #70 - Sep 26^th, 2024 at 11:46pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 9:18pm:

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............ More than 100 Republican former lawmakers and officials endorsed Democratic presidential nominee Vice President Kamala Harris in a letter, while warning that their own party’s candidate, former President Donald Trump, is “unfit to serve again.”

In the letter, shared by the Harris campaign Wednesday, 111 former national security and foreign policy officials said that despite their disagreements with the vice president’s policies, “we believe that she possesses the essential qualities to serve as President and Donald Trump does not.”

They decried Trump for sowing “daily chaos in government” during his first term in office, arguing that he put his personal interests before the country’s and “violated his oath of office” by inciting the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. .....................

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/18/republicans-endorse-harris-over-trump.html

unfit to serve, by senior republicans

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Re: Conservatives against trump
Reply #71 - Sep 26^th, 2024 at 11:56pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 11:46pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 9:18pm:

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............ More than 100 Republican former lawmakers and officials endorsed Democratic presidential nominee Vice President Kamala Harris in a letter, while warning that their own party’s candidate, former President Donald Trump, is “unfit to serve again.”

In the letter, shared by the Harris campaign Wednesday, 111 former national security and foreign policy officials said that despite their disagreements with the vice president’s policies, “we believe that she possesses the essential qualities to serve as President and Donald Trump does not.”

They decried Trump for sowing “daily chaos in government” during his first term in office, arguing that he put his personal interests before the country’s and “violated his oath of office” by inciting the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol. .....................

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/18/republicans-endorse-harris-over-trump.html

unfit to serve, by senior republicans

That sounds like the 50 former security bozos who swore in 2020 that the Russia hoax/laptop from hell wasn't a hoax -when it really was. How can you give credence to such obviously manipulative bs?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74740 Gender:	Re: Conservatives against trump Reply #73 - Sep 27^th, 2024 at 8:05am Frank wrote on Sep 26^th, 2024 at 11:56pm: How can you give credence to such obviously manipulative bs? says the guy who is still waiting for Trump to build a wall whilst convinced Mexico will pay for it
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Reply #74 - Oct 2^nd, 2024 at 5:09am

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George Conway, the right-leaning pundit who regularly criticizes former President Trump on cable TV, said Monday that Trump doesn’t have the “shame gene that the rest of us have.”

Conway made the comment while criticizing Trump for his remarks that appeared to misrepresent Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp’s (R) concerns with the Biden administration over recovery efforts from Hurricane Helene in the state.

Trump, during his visit Monday to Georgia to survey damage from the hurricane, told reporters that Kemp “is doing a very good job,” but added, “he’s having a hard time getting the president on the phone.”

“I guess they’re not being responsive,” Trump continued. “The federal government is not being responsive. They’re having a very hard time getting the president on the phone.”

Kemp, however, seemed to contradict that claim at a press conference when he described his conversation with President Biden on disaster relief efforts.

“The president just called me yesterday afternoon. I missed him and called him right back, and he just said, ‘Hey, what do you need?’ And I told him, you know, ‘We got what we need. We’ll work through the federal process.’ He offered that if there’s other things we need, just to call him directly, which, I appreciate that,” Kemp said.

................. “

He’s a pathological liar,” Conway said about Trump

. “He doesn’t have that shame gene that the rest of us have when we even make the slightest mistake, even accidentally.”

“He’s just going to say whatever pops into his mind that he wants people to believe at any given moment. And it’s not even really that calculating,” Conway continued. “Because he’s impulsive.”

Conway said the Harris campaign should “absolutely” play up what Psaki described as a contrast between the two major parties’ nominees, noting Biden and Vice President Harris “are actually in charge.”

........... He went on to criticize Trump.

“But it’s also, you have to do it because it’s the right thing to do. And Donald Trump doesn’t care about any of that. He only cares about whether a particular crisis can be used to … manipulate the public, and that’s why he’s willing to tell lie after lie.” ...........

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4909334-george-conway-trump-shame-gene/

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