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Treasurer Jim Chalmers is sitting on his hands while the RBA is causing massive pain to young people and mortgage holders and deliberately risking a recession, the Greens say.   Sad

“Jim Chalmers and Wayne Swan are making noise about high interest rates, but Labor is giving the RBA free rein to crash the economy and punish Australians,” Greens Economic Justice Spokesperson Senator Nick McKim said.

“If Labor really cared about people being smashed by rising rates, they’d stop siding with the RBA and use the power they have to bring down interest rates.”

“By not only refusing to do anything to change course, and actively trying to water down his own power to intervene, Jim Chalmers is showing he is happy to let the RBA send Australians to the wall.”

“Labor could introduce a super-profits tax to take the pressure off inflation, but they’re too busy protecting their corporate mates.”

“Labor is more interested in letting the big corporations make out like bandits than in using its power to stop this looming recession. It’s reckless and morally indefensible.”
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Reply #1 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 6:38am
 
“Labor could introduce a super-profits tax to take the pressure off inflation, but they’re too busy protecting their corporate mates.”   Sad
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Reply #2 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 7:59am
 
This is why the RBA was given independence - so that politicians didn't manipulate interest rates for political reasons. We learnt that lesson the hard way. Not the Greens, obviously. Every one of their policies you post here is a rejection of well established economic principles. It's like they have taken "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" as their new guiding principle.
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Reply #3 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 9:19am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 7:59am:
This is why the RBA was given independence - so that politicians didn't manipulate interest rates for political reasons. We learnt that lesson the hard way. Not the Greens, obviously. Every one of their policies you post here is a rejection of well established economic principles. It's like they have taken "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" as their new guiding principle.



But it was the RBA that printed all the money that caused high inflation.

They should have said NO to the Govt. when Govt bonds were issued -
and not printed money to pay for them.
We are still going into more National Govt. debt.
It's now $1.2 trillion as we live way beyond our means:

Australian Debt Clock
http://australiandebtclock.com.au/

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Reply #4 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 10:07am
 
whiteknight wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 6:36am:
Treasurer Jim Chalmers is sitting on his hands while the RBA is causing massive pain to young people and mortgage holders and deliberately risking a recession, the Greens say



Someone should let the greens know that the RBA is independent of government. Roll Eyes
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Reply #5 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 11:16am
 
This is why the greens are right.  Of course some people will use scare tactics though.  We need a super profit tax.   Sad
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freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 7:59am:
This is why the RBA was given independence - so that politicians didn't manipulate interest rates for political reasons. We learnt that lesson the hard way. Not the Greens, obviously. Every one of their policies you post here is a rejection of well established economic principles. It's like they have taken "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" as their new guiding principle.


You didn't reply (in the 'falling living standards" thread) where I explained your "well established economic principles" taught to you by a lecturer spouting obsolete neoclassical theries  are little more than semi religious mumbo jumbo.

"Well established principles", with the "independence of the CB" enabling the fools Bullock and Chalmers, top economists  who are BOTH fooled by these "well established principles"  into blaming one-another for falling living standards, or alternatively, claim they each have a different job to do, which the Coalition claims is "the CB putting its foot on the brake while the Labor government is  putting its foot on the accelerator."

....Easy for Conservatives to say; "let (the poor) eat cake" is in their DNA.
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Reply #7 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 12:41pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 11:16am:
This is why the greens are right.  Of course some people will use scare tactics though.  We need a super profit tax.   Sad



Sure we do, but that has little to do with interest rates.
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But it was the RBA that printed all the money that caused high inflation.


No it wasn't.
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Reply #9 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 1:06pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 12:41pm:
whiteknight wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 11:16am:
This is why the greens are right.  Of course some people will use scare tactics though.  We need a super profit tax.   Sad


Sure we do, but that has little to do with interest rates.


The Greens: “If Labor really cared about people being smashed by rising rates, they’d stop siding with the RBA and use the power they have to bring down interest rates.”

Unfortunately the Greens' spokesman didn't say  - as you correctly noted  - what power Labor has to bring down interest rates, and how they would do it, which is why the Greens answer to economc hardship is tax increases on the wealthty and big companies - non starters for politicians who have to get elected.      

That's because the Greens - like everyone else - don't want to explore altenatives to our obsolete mainstream neoclassical/neoliberal economies, with politicians hiding behind the "independent central bank" dogma.




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Reply #10 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 1:32pm
 
The RBA is supposed to be independent. However Labor appointed Bullock. Also the Labor budgets were not really in the black. Most of the spending was put into the long-term debt. The budgets were inflationary, but it is the RBA's fault. Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 2:19pm
 
The RBA was never independent.  but you are right about the appointment of yet another old mate from the barricades -  if you've served your time in some minor and ultimately forgettable 'war' for women or something - why - you could be a 'governor-general'!!

What's wrong with Labor these days?  THAT!!  It's all about getting a great gig for self and your old frontline mates who've done not a thing of use in life other than carry on the same as those lunatics who camp outside universities to support Hamas.

I'll call this one the Higgins Syndrome - how to become a high-ranking millionaire without work by becoming a Joan of Arc for 'women's rights', or something else trendy and totally unfounded in reality.

Men have been sitting on the rough end of the pineapple since the 1980's - and it began earlier with free uni and women with time on their hands flocking to them and building up numbers - now look at them - disasters from start to finish, same as politics and the public service and many professions... I looked up my doppleganger - Professor of Medicine - and what did I find? Five out of six 'professors' of medicine in that uni are now women.  As in WTF?

Did men suddenly become too stupid to handle the structures and jobs they designed, built, maintained and extended for generations, or is it so weak and powerless and without balls that they just allow this matriarchy to dominate and control and take all power positions?

Anyone?  If you want an example of how a matriarchy runs things into the ground - look at the NT government.... then cast your eyes on AlboGuv Inc..... and the Jobs for the Girls Scandals time and again.

Feminism is the greatest danger to Western social fabric, national security, and economic stability - and is the root cause of all the 'whinge until you get' idiotologies doing the rounds these days.  Every swinging tit that comes along with a Manifesto uses the now well-trodden path to Victory Uber Alles that was worn by the feminists - whinge, cry, carry on about feelings, be 'offended' by everything instead of growing up, say you are oppressed, rave about 'rights', any lie will do if repeated over and over (wage gap lie) ... and Bob who was your uncle is now your auntie and wants his balls cut off so he can share in the lovely... artificial advancement, coddling over everything, special this and special that, time off for feelings, right to make accusations without challenge ... the list grows and grows.  32 years of lunging the knives at men over any claimed or perceived possibility of a fight, and stealing their families and assets without any essence of fairness or decency, and they still don't get it.... the violent approach to men IS violence - it will never PREVENT violence but will instead leave another long chain of angry victims.  HELLO!!

Good men can't even get a decent gig in the Armed Services unless they take the hard and dangerous work - the engineer officers I used to know were often big blokes who could hold up the front of a Land Rover with one hand... now the bosses are sheilas ... will the young men of Australia - who WILL be the ones called upon in a real emergency - actually bother to defend a nation that has betrayed them?  How many women have passed through the British Parachute Regiment's training for full Para? NONE!  They don't like the mud, the hefty packs, and the thirty mile cross-countries etc, not to mention constant running here and there.

Sgt Guarnere:- "They can shoot me. I am NOT jumping into China under command of that woman..."
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freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 1:01pm:
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But it was the RBA that printed all the money that caused high inflation.


No it wasn't.



Who did then?

https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/annual-reports/rba/2006/note-printing.html

Note Printing Australia

Note Printing Australia Limited (NPA), based at Craigieburn in Victoria,
is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Reserve Bank, which produces currency notes for Australia.
Securency is currently more than doubling its manufacturing capacity at Craigieburn
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Bump for FD.
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Reply #14 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 7:27pm
 
My daughter was at the Hyatt this week where the RBA Gov gave her speech. Grin
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Reply #15 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 9:07pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 2:47pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 1:01pm:
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But it was the RBA that printed all the money that caused high inflation.


No it wasn't.



Who did then?

https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/annual-reports/rba/2006/note-printing.html

Note Printing Australia

Note Printing Australia Limited (NPA), based at Craigieburn in Victoria,
is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Reserve Bank, which produces currency notes for Australia.
Securency is currently more than doubling its manufacturing capacity at Craigieburn


People did, by being overconfident.

The reserve bank goes a long way to reducing macroeconomic cycles. That is what it is there for. Since the reserve bank became independent, our highest inflation rates always coincided with the reserve bank doing the opposite of "printing money".
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Reply #16 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 11:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 9:07pm:
People did, by being overconfident.

The reserve bank goes a long way to reducing macroeconomic cycles. That is what it is there for. Since the reserve bank became independent, our highest inflation rates always coincided with the reserve bank doing the opposite of "printing money".



I still say:


But it was the RBA that printed all the money that caused high inflation.

They should have said NO to the Govt. when Govt bonds were issued -
and not printed money to pay for them.
We are still going into more National Govt. debt.
It's now $1.2 trillion as we live way beyond our means:

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Reply #17 - Sep 8th, 2024 at 8:33am
 
I know you say it Bobby. But why do you say it? Is someone telling you to?
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freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 8:33am:
I know you say it Bobby. But why do you say it? Is someone telling you to?



No one - tell me - how do you think all that extra money is created?
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 8:56am:
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 8:33am:
I know you say it Bobby. But why do you say it? Is someone telling you to?



No one - tell me - how do you think all that extra money is created?


How about we jump straight to the end Bobby, rather than me trying to figure out why you think the things you do from the inane questions you ask. Would you mind pointing out which high inflation you are accusing the reserve bank of causing? Then tell us what the RBA was doing in terms of "printing money" prior to the high inflation? Or is the extent of your argument based on the theoretical possibility that the reserve bank could do what you accuse it of, if it did the opposite of what it has been doing for the last three decades?

https://www.rba.gov.au/inflation/measures-cpi.html
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Reply #20 - Sep 8th, 2024 at 9:19am
 
Dear FD,
check how property prices have exploded in the last 10 years and tell
me where all that extra money came from?
The prices went up a lot more than 3% per annum.
They went up 27% last year in one suburb near me.

If the Govt wants money they create Govt Bonds and the RBA prints money to buy them.
That's how the Govt can spend way beyond what they receive in taxes.
That's why we're in $1.2 trillion of National Govt. debt.


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I am talking about the facts Bobby. Not the spin doctoring from journalists desperate for something worth reporting on. I cannot explain why you get so scared every time you read  a newspaper, so there is no point asking me to.
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freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 9:22am:
I am talking about the facts Bobby. Not the spin doctoring from journalists desperate for something worth reporting on. I cannot explain why you get so scared every time you read  a newspaper, so there is no point asking me to.



Here is a fact FD about house prices.


https://www.domain.com.au/59-rowntree-street-birchgrove-nsw-2041-2019401686

SOLD - $1,370,000


59 Rowntree Street, Birchgrove NSW 2041



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I have no idea why that scares you Bobby. Like I said, there is no point asking me for an explanation.
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freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:37pm:
I have no idea why that scares you Bobby. Like I said, there is no point asking me for an explanation.



Of course it's scary FD.

Some poor devil has just paid $1,370,000 to live in a horrible little old dump.
Did you check out the pictures?
Could you live in that?
Doesn't it scare you too?

That's what happens when the RBA prints money day and night -
it makes our savings worthless.
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Of course it's scary FD.


Only to you Bobby. No-one else cares.
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Reply #26 - Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:37pm:
I have no idea why that scares you Bobby. Like I said, there is no point asking me for an explanation.



Of course it's scary FD.

Some poor devil has just paid $1,370,000 to live in a horrible little old dump.
Did you check out the pictures?
Could you live in that?
Doesn't it scare you too?

That's what happens when the RBA prints money day and night -
it makes our savings worthless.


I bet you the old outhouse shitehouse has the original cobwebs and wooden seat from the 1920's Cheesy LOL

This is what aussies are working 3 jobs to own Cheesy LOL

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Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:37pm:
I have no idea why that scares you Bobby. Like I said, there is no point asking me for an explanation.



Of course it's scary FD.

Some poor devil has just paid $1,370,000 to live in a horrible little old dump.
Did you check out the pictures?
Could you live in that?
Doesn't it scare you too?

That's what happens when the RBA prints money day and night -
it makes our savings worthless.


I bet you the old outhouse shitehouse has the original cobwebs from the 1920's Cheesy LOL

This is what aussies are working 3 jobs to own Cheesy LOL




How depressing to pay $1.37 million and to work all your life for a dump like that.  WTF?

The pictures look like a nightmare.


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Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:48pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:37pm:
I have no idea why that scares you Bobby. Like I said, there is no point asking me for an explanation.



Of course it's scary FD.

Some poor devil has just paid $1,370,000 to live in a horrible little old dump.
Did you check out the pictures?
Could you live in that?
Doesn't it scare you too?

That's what happens when the RBA prints money day and night -
it makes our savings worthless.


I bet you the old outhouse shitehouse has the original cobwebs from the 1920's Cheesy LOL

This is what aussies are working 3 jobs to own Cheesy LOL




How depressing to pay $1.37 million and to work all your life for a dump like that.  WTF?

The pictures look like a nightmare.




Add another 500k for renos to make it livable Sad
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Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:48pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:37pm:
I have no idea why that scares you Bobby. Like I said, there is no point asking me for an explanation.



Of course it's scary FD.

Some poor devil has just paid $1,370,000 to live in a horrible little old dump.
Did you check out the pictures?
Could you live in that?
Doesn't it scare you too?

That's what happens when the RBA prints money day and night -
it makes our savings worthless.


I bet you the old outhouse shitehouse has the original cobwebs from the 1920's Cheesy LOL

This is what aussies are working 3 jobs to own Cheesy LOL




How depressing to pay $1.37 million and to work all your life for a dump like that.  WTF?

The pictures look like a nightmare.




Add another 500k for renos to make it livable Sad



Look out the back - it's full of asbestos.
That can't be renovated.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:52pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:50pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:48pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:41pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:37pm:
I have no idea why that scares you Bobby. Like I said, there is no point asking me for an explanation.



Of course it's scary FD.

Some poor devil has just paid $1,370,000 to live in a horrible little old dump.
Did you check out the pictures?
Could you live in that?
Doesn't it scare you too?

That's what happens when the RBA prints money day and night -
it makes our savings worthless.


I bet you the old outhouse shitehouse has the original cobwebs from the 1920's Cheesy LOL

This is what aussies are working 3 jobs to own Cheesy LOL




How depressing to pay $1.37 million and to work all your life for a dump like that.  WTF?

The pictures look like a nightmare.




Add another 500k for renos to make it livable Sad



Look out the back - it's full of asbestos.
That can't be renovated.


That's a palace for someone like john smith. He's used to living under tin rooves Cheesy LOL
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Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 2:05pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:52pm:
Look out the back - it's full of asbestos.
That can't be renovated.


That's a palace for someone like john smith. He's used to living under tin rooves Cheesy LOL



But it didn't scare FD.

here again:

https://www.domain.com.au/59-rowntree-street-birchgrove-nsw-2041-2019401686
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The whole printing money, bonds and inflation thing is complex and arguable. FD is wrong if he is in fact implying all economists agree on these areas. Perhaps that is the case at low level first degree economic studies but it is most definitely not the case at higher masters levels.

Milton Friedman certainly believed in a foundational economic reality that increasing money supply, does indeed increase inflation and there are still plenty of economists subscribing to that reality.

Fed /RBA Bond buying is indeed increasing money supply, that is it's goal. There are arguments however, even within the RBA and it's own economists on the possible true inflationary effects of such programs. Many now want to break it down further into what instant effects such money printing has on different types of money (currency, money base, M1, M3, Broad etc). The arguments being; bond purchase money printing doesn't directly effect each different type equally and therefore has a reduced inflationary effect.

For some however it is more foundational in reality and this is just the sort of area where economists and their like often screw it up and get things wrong. It really all depends on your TIMEFRAME of analysis.
At some point it time, eventually, via all the different available financial tools and mechanisms, that extra printed money does eventually flow through to all the varying types of MONEY. As such, the reality of Friedmans theory is in fact correct. Eventually, that money finds it's way through the system and exists, it doesn't disappear out of economic existence. Therefore it is in fact, no matter how you try to group and itemise it, extra printed money, added to the economy.

PS: A little off topic but still connected. (Maybe belongs more in MMT thread)
Whilst some on here have a mental issue with links, I recommend looking at this quick couple of minutes from Nayib Bukele and give some thought to this viewpoint. Those with a high enough IQ will have the ability to look past the forum agenda and consider the actual content.

https://www.tiktok.com/@nayibbukele/video/7339722385123233029?lang=en
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Reply #33 - Sep 8th, 2024 at 7:49pm
 
Quick question-

Does Jim charmers ears travel on there own passports?

I mean, wtf?

They are bigger than most business profits!!
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Reply #34 - Sep 8th, 2024 at 8:35pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 2:11pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 2:05pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:52pm:
Look out the back - it's full of asbestos.
That can't be renovated.


That's a palace for someone like john smith. He's used to living under tin rooves Cheesy LOL



But it didn't scare FD.

here again:

https://www.domain.com.au/59-rowntree-street-birchgrove-nsw-2041-2019401686



This is what money printing and mass uncontrolled immigration has done:




https://www.onthehouse.com.au/property/nsw/birchgrove-2041/59-rowntree-st-birchg...

Birchgrove Trends for Units
Median Value
$1.93M
Median Rent

$750/W
Median Growth

30.63%
No history found for this property.

Over the last 5 years, Houses in Birchgrove have seen a 65.13% increase in median value, while Units have seen a 77.43% increase. As at 31 July 2024:

    The median value for Houses in Birchgrove is $3,239,158 while the median value for Units is $1,928,154.
    Houses have a median rent of $1,150 while Units have a median rent of $750.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 2:11pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 2:05pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:52pm:
Look out the back - it's full of asbestos.
That can't be renovated.


That's a palace for someone like john smith. He's used to living under tin rooves Cheesy LOL



But it didn't scare FD.

here again:

[url]https://www.domain.Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:50pm:
Add another 500k for renos to make it livable

com.au/59-rowntree-street-birchgrove-nsw-2041-2019401686[/url]


Listen dumbarse, because you are soooooo stuupid, I feel the need to point out to you that the price is pretty much just land value.

The tin shed is free.

What a bargain.


And if you spend $500k fixing it like sirshitforbarns claims , you'll can sell it for anywhere between $2m to $2.2m.

$200 to $400k profit for 6 months work ....

thats why you and nails will never move out of your housing commission flats, you're lazy spongers to scared to get your hands dirty Roll Eyes
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Reply #36 - Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45am
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:43am:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 2:11pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 2:05pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:52pm:
Look out the back - it's full of asbestos.
That can't be renovated.



That's a palace for someone like john smith. He's used to living under tin rooves Cheesy LOL



But it didn't scare FD.

here again:

[url]https://www.domain.Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 1:50pm:
Add another 500k for renos to make it livable

com.au/59-rowntree-street-birchgrove-nsw-2041-2019401686[/url]


Listen dumbarse, because you are soooooo stuupid, I feel the need to point out to you that the price is pretty much just land value.

The tin shed is free.

What a bargain.


And if you spend $500k fixing it like sirshitforbarns claims , you'll can sell it for anywhere between $2m to $2.2m.

$200 to $400k profit for 6 months work ....

thats why you and nails will never move out of your housing commission flats, you're lazy spongers to scared to get your hands dirty Roll Eyes



John,
it's made out of asbestos.   Roll Eyes
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45am:
John,
it's made out of asbestos.   Roll Eyes



You're not supposed to eat it goober Roll Eyes
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freediver wrote on Sep 7th, 2024 at 7:59am:
This is why the RBA was given independence - so that politicians didn't manipulate interest rates for political reasons. We learnt that lesson the hard way. Not the Greens, obviously. Every one of their policies you post here is a rejection of well established economic principles. It's like they have taken "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" as their new guiding principle.


Not surprisingly, your "well established economic  principles" aka "the dismal science" are in fact based on obsolete principles re economic scarcity.

'Money doesn't grow on trees' (apples do); but money is created out of thin air by the authorized institutions.

Politicians abandoned responsibility for managing inflation, and handed it to the un-democratically elected reserve  bank:

https://www.rba.gov.au/education/resources/explainers/origins-of-the-reserve-ban...

1983 to the present: The Reserve Bank of Australia today

There have been several changes to the roles and functions of the Reserve Bank of Australia since the 1980s, though its overall objectives have remained the same. Direct controls over banking activities gave way to market-orientated methods of implementing monetary policy. The Bank adopted a policy of inflation targeting in the early 1990s (See Explainer: Australia's Inflation Target).

While the Bank remains accountable to parliament and the Australian people, its political independence in conducting monetary policy is central to its mission and effectiveness as a modern central bank.


Ie, a "modern" central bank according to obsolete free- market, neoclassical orthodoxy.

...resulting in the current dysfunctional system where Left Wing politicans can blame the CB for economic hardship, while RW politicians can say economic realities means people  "have to suck it up...and work harder for less" (to avoid inflation).

Another of FD's "shared beliefs' masquerading as "reality'.

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goosecat wrote on Sep 8th, 2024 at 3:02pm:
The whole printing money, bonds and inflation thing is complex and arguable. FD is wrong if he is in fact implying all economists agree on these areas. Perhaps that is the case at low level first degree economic studies but it is most definitely not the case at higher masters levels.

Milton Friedman certainly believed in a foundational economic reality that increasing money supply, does indeed increase inflation and there are still plenty of economists subscribing to that reality.

Fed /RBA Bond buying is indeed increasing money supply, that is it's goal. There are arguments however, even within the RBA and it's own economists on the possible true inflationary effects of such programs. Many now want to break it down further into what instant effects such money printing has on different types of money (currency, money base, M1, M3, Broad etc). The arguments being; bond purchase money printing doesn't directly effect each different type equally and therefore has a reduced inflationary effect.

For some however it is more foundational in reality and this is just the sort of area where economists and their like often screw it up and get things wrong. It really all depends on your TIMEFRAME of analysis.
At some point it time, eventually, via all the different available financial tools and mechanisms, that extra printed money does eventually flow through to all the varying types of MONEY. As such, the reality of Friedmans theory is in fact correct. Eventually, that money finds it's way through the system and exists, it doesn't disappear out of economic existence. Therefore it is in fact, no matter how you try to group and itemise it, extra printed money, added to the economy.

PS: A little off topic but still connected. (Maybe belongs more in MMT thread)
Whilst some on here have a mental issue with links, I recommend looking at this quick couple of minutes from Nayib Bukele and give some thought to this viewpoint. Those with a high enough IQ will have the ability to look past the forum agenda and consider the actual content.

https://www.tiktok.com/@nayibbukele/video/7339722385123233029?lang=en


Excellent post.

He asks (in the video, after stating government is financed by treasury bonds, not taxes): "how does the Fed buy bonds"?

Answer: "by printing money. So basically you finance the government by printing money out of thin air.


2nd question: "If the government can print unlimited amounts of money out of thin air, why do they collect taxes.?"

"The answer is shocking: it's to uphold the illusion you are funding the government, which you are not.

"Paper backed by paper, a bubble which will inevitably burst"

.....

Observation: after correctly explaining how government is financed, he goes astray with the 2nd question, because he doesn't understand MMT.

The government can theoretically print unlimited amounts of money, but in practice money printing is limited by the nation's available resources, to avoid inflation

Milton Friedman - and the current crop of neoclassical economists - did/do not understand this.

The mainstream says 'money doesn't grow on trees' which is true, (apples do); but money  IS always created out of thin air, whether in private banks when they write loans for credit worthy customers, or in the government's Treasury to fund government.   

[Put another way, as  Keynes knew: "if you (the govt.)  can build it, you can afford it", also an MMT axiom].


So his worry that "paper backed by paper' will eventually result in the collapse of the US is unfounded:  US debt can increase indefinitely, so long as the nation's productive capacity remains intact.
(US debt is projected to be $100 trillion by 2030, but it's immaterial: the US government cannot run-out of US dollars).

As Alan Kohler correctly stated in the article I linked in another post (available in the MMT thread): governments will HAVE to accept growing public debt, if they want to get elected, and supply the services people want, without raising taxes (as fewer workers will be available to pay tax when the population ages - as per the mainstream myth).   











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Governments never learn - they repeat old mistakes:


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Yep. It is the RBA's fault. Nothing to do with government. That's why governments pillory the RBA. Wink

They pillory the RBA for doing exactly what is required of it.
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lee wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
Yep. It is the RBA's fault. Nothing to do with government. That's why governments pillory the RBA. Wink

They pillory the RBA for doing exactly what is required of it.



yes - printing as much money as the Govt asks for -

forgetting all about Zimbabwe.     Roll Eyes
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lee wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
Yep. It is the RBA's fault. Nothing to do with government. That's why governments pillory the RBA. Wink

They pillory the RBA for doing exactly what is required of it.

Doesn't matter if you're an MMT supporter or media commentator, pillorying the RBA for doing what needs to be done is pathetically juvenile.
If you advocate governments should be increasing taxes instead of RBA raising rates etc (MMT theory on inflation control), than have the "balls" and integrity to state just that.
If you're a nations Treasurer playing deflection politics and watching your citizens incur baked in for years/decades, inflation induced loss of living standards, then get your head out of your arse.
The reality is; these are the current tools we have and they wont/cant be suddenly changed no matter what your view. The RBA is doing exactly as it should.
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Bobby. wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 3:25pm:
Governments never learn - they repeat old mistakes:


https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/110/473/207/original/e5a6a6...


You needed one to buy a loaf of bread.


You never learn,  you just repeat old orthodoxy.

Note: in the US, despite its debt expected to reach $100 trillion by 2030, inflation is falling.

And average incomes can and will still buy a loaf of bread with a few dollars, despite the cost of living crisis; one problem is Musk is expected to become the world's first trillionaire by 2030, an amazing example of market failure and mal-distribution of income......


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lee wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
Yep. It is the RBA's fault. Nothing to do with government. That's why governments pillory the RBA. Wink

They pillory the RBA for doing exactly what is required of it.


The RBA has two main tasks: to maintain price stabilkity AND full employment (google RBA Charter)

Problem is, given current economic orthodoxy, it's mission impossible if your only tool is interest rate manipulation.   
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goosecat wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
lee wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 5:34pm:
Yep. It is the RBA's fault. Nothing to do with government. That's why governments pillory the RBA. Wink

They pillory the RBA for doing exactly what is required of it.

Doesn't matter if you're an MMT supporter or media commentator, pillorying the RBA for doing what needs to be done is pathetically juvenile.
If you advocate governments should be increasing taxes instead of RBA raising rates etc, than have the "balls" and integrity to state just that.
If you're a nations Treasurer playing deflection politics and watching your citizens incur baked in for years/decades, inflation induced loss of living standards, then get your head out of your arse.
The reality is; these are the current tools we have and they wont/cant be suddenly changed no matter what your view. The RBA is doing exactly as it should.


The Greens have the "balls" to increase taxes, but the problem is economic orthodoxy - and the powerful, wealthy portion of the electorate with its self interest, is against higher taxes. .

Solution: 

The RBA should be demoted to a 'clearing house' for private banks.

The nation's Treasury - issuer of the currency - should ensure sufficient money suppy for the public sector, consistent with resources available for purchase by the government (MMT), to avoid inflation.   

Official government interest rates should be near zero, in a mandated full employment scenario (see the 'variable pool' Job Guarantee concept); private banks can compete on loans and interest rates. 

I'm almost hoping Albo - following economic orthodoxy -loses the next election (the ALP's primary vote is c. 30% and falling -dismal); yet people know the Coalition are even less likely to support wanted government spending on housing, health and education. 
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goosecat wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
The reality is; these are the current tools we have and they wont/cant be suddenly changed no matter what your view. The RBA is doing exactly as it should.


The RBA needs to update it's tools. Raising interest rates puts more money in the economy for those with the most disposable income (self funded retirees). The only ones that tighten their belts are those with the least disposable income.

There are approx. 1.9m self funded retirees handed extra money to spend every time rates are increased. Thats a lot of extra money in an economy they are trying to slow down.
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Interest rates will stay where they are through this year. The risk is that dropping interest rates will encourage inflation in the opinion of the RBA. They likely try a drop around next March. I doubt there is much risk.
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John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 6:50pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
The reality is; these are the current tools we have and they wont/cant be suddenly changed no matter what your view. The RBA is doing exactly as it should.


The RBA needs to update it's tools. Raising interest rates puts more money in the economy for those with the most disposable income (self funded retirees). The only ones that tighten their belts are those with the least disposable income.

There are approx. 1.9m self funded retirees handed extra money to spend every time rates are increased. Thats a lot of extra money in an economy they are trying to slow down.

The changing age percentage of populace and reliance on interest earning vehicles does have an impact and is calculated into models.
We are not at a stage where it has become counter productive in the existing inflation/interest rate duality.
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Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 10:24pm:
Interest rates will stay where they are through this year.


Yeh - and Albo's popularity is sinking like a stone result, because  some mortagees are forced to sell,  and a majority of the population - mortagees plus renters are suffering.

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The risk is that dropping interest rates will encourage inflation in the opinion of the RBA.


That's the opinion of mainstream neoclassical economists - witch-doctors all of them -  including Bullock who said: "people should stop getting haircuts and dental treatment".... the pathetic bitch is getting paid a million bucks to spout crap such as that (...good work if you can get it...) 

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The risk is recession and the ALP losing the election.
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goosecat wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 11:49pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 6:50pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
The reality is; these are the current tools we have and they wont/cant be suddenly changed no matter what your view. The RBA is doing exactly as it should.


The RBA needs to update it's tools. Raising interest rates puts more money in the economy for those with the most disposable income (self funded retirees). The only ones that tighten their belts are those with the least disposable income.

There are approx. 1.9m self funded retirees handed extra money to spend every time rates are increased. Thats a lot of extra money in an economy they are trying to slow down.


The changing age percentage of populace and reliance on interest earning vehicles does have an impact and is calculated into models.

We are not at a stage where it has become counter productive in the existing inflation/interest rate duality.


But we are at the stage where 2/3rds of the population who have mortgages or who are renters are expected to be cannon fodder for inflation control - a sick, dysfunctional system. 

Deplorable.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 4:34pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 11:49pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 6:50pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
The reality is; these are the current tools we have and they wont/cant be suddenly changed no matter what your view. The RBA is doing exactly as it should.


The RBA needs to update it's tools. Raising interest rates puts more money in the economy for those with the most disposable income (self funded retirees). The only ones that tighten their belts are those with the least disposable income.

There are approx. 1.9m self funded retirees handed extra money to spend every time rates are increased. Thats a lot of extra money in an economy they are trying to slow down.


The changing age percentage of populace and reliance on interest earning vehicles does have an impact and is calculated into models.

We are not at a stage where it has become counter productive in the existing inflation/interest rate duality.


But we are at the stage where 2/3rds of the population who have mortgages or who are renters are expected to be cannon fodder for inflation control - a sick, dysfunctional system. 

Deplorable.

Mortgagors, renters, the homeless, the poor etc etc, have always been most affected by supply and demand issues throughout all human existence, under every different economic system tried.
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John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 6:50pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
The reality is; these are the current tools we have and they wont/cant be suddenly changed no matter what your view. The RBA is doing exactly as it should.


The RBA needs to update it's tools. Raising interest rates puts more money in the economy for those with the most disposable income (self funded retirees). The only ones that tighten their belts are those with the least disposable income.

There are approx. 1.9m self funded retirees handed extra money to spend every time rates are increased. Thats a lot of extra money in an economy they are trying to slow down.



Not just them .... it's anyone who has money in bank accounts or invested.

How much have you got either in your bank account or invested?

Let alone you property portfolio.

Phuk off with you hypocritical boomer bashing.

You wouldn't be here without them.  Roll Eyes
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thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 4:28pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 10:24pm:
Interest rates will stay where they are through this year.


Yeh - and Albo's popularity is sinking like a stone result, because  some mortagees are forced to sell,  and a majority of the population - mortagees plus renters are suffering.

Quote:
The risk is that dropping interest rates will encourage inflation in the opinion of the RBA.


That's the opinion of mainstream neoclassical economists - witch-doctors all of them -  including Bullock who said: "people should stop getting haircuts and dental treatment".... the pathetic bitch is getting paid a million bucks to spout crap such as that (...good work if you can get it...) 

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They likely try a drop around next March. I doubt there is much risk.


The risk is recession and the ALP losing the election.



About the only thing I've heard from you of late I agree with.
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Astounds me that these dorks mumble darkly about 'the jobs market is out of control and is causing inflation'.... never heard such utter bulldust in my life.

That's a quote from some RBA 'economist' sheila tonight on the news... **interprets** you bastards out there are getting it too good and the pressure of not having vast numbers of un- and under-employed people is causing a need to pay you bastards more..... the economy can't sustain feeding you lot well!!

Well - honey - that shows you where the focus of OUR current economy is wrong... in trying to useless joblessness as a way to control inflation when the direct cause of Inflation is costs of living forcing the working dollar to spread further and further every day.

Why don't you apply the same 'reasoning' to the excessive profits of corporations and excessive payouts to shareholders etc?

I'll say it again - the RBA is not a bank - it is an organisation set up to guarantee the never-ending profitability of the banks - and by proxy - large corporations nowadays, along with their shareholders - not one of whom was ever guaranteed a return on investment.

Like all those social science 'commissions' which are in reality star chambers and petty dictators of their whim to suit minorities, the RBA should cop the Tarneen treatment and be burnt to the ground (metaphorically of course)

Tell me again how a corporation can exist for ten years, pay out a dividend each year even when every year is an accounting loss, and then fold up or 're-structure' leaving debts of millions, then start again with the same Usual Suspects at the helm ....
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Reply #57 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 1:09pm
 
goosecat wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 5:54pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 4:34pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 11:49pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 6:50pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
The reality is; these are the current tools we have and they wont/cant be suddenly changed no matter what your view. The RBA is doing exactly as it should.


The RBA needs to update it's tools. Raising interest rates puts more money in the economy for those with the most disposable income (self funded retirees). The only ones that tighten their belts are those with the least disposable income.

There are approx. 1.9m self funded retirees handed extra money to spend every time rates are increased. Thats a lot of extra money in an economy they are trying to slow down.


The changing age percentage of populace and reliance on interest earning vehicles does have an impact and is calculated into models.

We are not at a stage where it has become counter productive in the existing inflation/interest rate duality.


But we are at the stage where 2/3rds of the population who have mortgages or who are renters are expected to be cannon fodder for inflation control - a sick, dysfunctional system. 

Deplorable.

Mortgagors, renters, the homeless, the poor etc etc, have always been most affected by supply and demand issues throughout all human existence, under every different economic system tried.


From a google article  on inflation in the Soviet command economy:

"The Soviet system of price controls prevented inflation, but it also created persistent shortages of food and consumer goods".

There's a clue to a functional economic system: if a nation  can create sufficient productive capacity (or even excess capacity , as in China which is now experiencing deflation), then price controls on essential goods and services will be a superior method of inflation cotrol.

Obsolete mainstream economic orthodoxy is accusing   China of "overcapacity", which is nonsense; "overcapacity" means prices can fall, enabling living standards to rise, without inflation.

Unfortunately, China hasn't woken up yet that it's Treasury can subsidize Chinese consumption by low wage earners, to increase effective local demand  while the West is trying to lock China out of its (US and EU) markets because the West can't compete eg in EVs and PVs. 

Today Bernie Fraser (former RBA governor) has said the RBA is causing too much distress with its interest rate policy.

He's correct, but he didn't say what the RBA SHOULD be doing.

Such is the consequence of following flat-earth, obsolete mainstream neoclassical economics as some sort of unchangeable law of nature, like gravity.   




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Reply #58 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 1:27pm
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:06pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 6:50pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
The reality is; these are the current tools we have and they wont/cant be suddenly changed no matter what your view. The RBA is doing exactly as it should.


The RBA needs to update it's tools. Raising interest rates puts more money in the economy for those with the most disposable income (self funded retirees). The only ones that tighten their belts are those with the least disposable income.

There are approx. 1.9m self funded retirees handed extra money to spend every time rates are increased. Thats a lot of extra money in an economy they are trying to slow down.



Not just them .... it's anyone who has money in bank accounts or invested.

How much have you got either in your bank account or invested?

Let alone you property portfolio.

Phuk off with you hypocritical boomer bashing.

You wouldn't be here without them.  Roll Eyes


I don't think John is "boomer bashing";  self-funded retirees - which all boomers are certainly not - are certainly among the groups (a minority of the population) who ARE benefitting from high RBA interest- rate settings.
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Reply #59 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 2:04pm
 
And just like that we see yet more evidence of low IQ thinkers masquerading as something other, ensconced in a sea of Dunning Kruger reality.
The RBA is but a product and indeed creation of the political system. It has a limited amount of tools to use to help the ill-informed, self deluded, uneducated masses regarding "living within your means" and it's affects on inflation.
You should be able to read the tea leaves and see why multiple sources go on about things like buying coffee every day and Hairdresser visits etc but the masses are generally stupid and need protecting from themselves at times.
If you keep paying the exorbitant price of any item, the supplier will keep raising the prices until you don't. If you want more direct government interference and price setting control, than that should be your target and argument.
In the meantime the RBA is doing exactly as it must. Forcing the average imbecile, as much as possible within their available tools, to stop underwriting price increases by continuing to demonstrate the inability to understand the importance of actually saying and demonstrating the maxim; "bugger you price gouging suppliers, we're not paying that,"
If it requires better education throughout the education system at all levels to grasp that foundational truth, then that is another target to aim at.
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Reply #60 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 2:32pm
 
Gnads wrote on Sep 11th, 2024 at 6:06pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 10th, 2024 at 6:50pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 9th, 2024 at 8:45pm:
The reality is; these are the current tools we have and they wont/cant be suddenly changed no matter what your view. The RBA is doing exactly as it should.


The RBA needs to update it's tools. Raising interest rates puts more money in the economy for those with the most disposable income (self funded retirees). The only ones that tighten their belts are those with the least disposable income.

There are approx. 1.9m self funded retirees handed extra money to spend every time rates are increased. Thats a lot of extra money in an economy they are trying to slow down.



Not just them .... it's anyone who has money in bank accounts or invested.

How much have you got either in your bank account or invested?

Let alone you property portfolio.

Phuk off with you hypocritical boomer bashing.

You wouldn't be here without them.  Roll Eyes


oohh, does precious need a hug?  Cry Cry

You understand economics like you understand Zwahili  .... not at all. Pointing out a flaw in current policies is not boomer bashing you stupid decrepit fool
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Reply #61 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 5:17pm
 
goosecat wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
the inability to understand the importance of actually saying and demonstrating the maxim; "bugger you price gouging suppliers, we're not paying that,"
If it requires better education throughout the education system at all levels to grasp that foundational truth, then that is another target to aim at.


Your error: some products and services are essential (non-discretionary) purchases; the RBA - following your obsolete orthodoxy - blithely ignores that reality.

But you are correct in that the RBA is only 'following  the current rules of the system', which is why it is  "crashing the economy" to control inflation, as examined by ABC's business reporter Gareth Hutchins:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-08/is-the-reserve-bank-to-blame-for-people-s...

Is it the Reserve Bank's fault that some people might have to sell their homes?
........

Hutchins concludes: "What will it take for policymakers to explore alternative ways of doing things, as Phil Lowe suggested, so the burden of inflation control is felt more evenly by the community?





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Reply #62 - Sep 16th, 2024 at 9:44am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 5:17pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
the inability to understand the importance of actually saying and demonstrating the maxim; "bugger you price gouging suppliers, we're not paying that,"
If it requires better education throughout the education system at all levels to grasp that foundational truth, then that is another target to aim at.


Your error: some products and services are essential (non-discretionary) purchases; the RBA - following your obsolete orthodoxy - blithely ignores that reality.

But you are correct in that the RBA is only 'following  the current rules of the system', which is why it is  "crashing the economy" to control inflation, as examined by ABC's business reporter Gareth Hutchins:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-08/is-the-reserve-bank-to-blame-for-people-s...

Is it the Reserve Bank's fault that some people might have to sell their homes?
........

Hutchins concludes: "What will it take for policymakers to explore alternative ways of doing things, as Phil Lowe suggested, so the burden of inflation control is felt more evenly by the community?






It ignores nothing of the kind and that is the problem with low level IQ assumptions. RBA economists and board are well aware of essential services and the percentage of spend, as if they wouldn't be lol. Even proposing that sort of thinking indicates the child-like shallowness of your understanding.

As should be obvious to even the most basic level of comprehension; If you want governments to have further individual governmental control of markets and pricing of individual categories of spend, or demand control, then that is where your effort needs to go.

Once again, the RBA is doing exactly as it should, with the tools it has.
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Reply #63 - Sep 16th, 2024 at 1:03pm
 
goosecat wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 9:44am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 13th, 2024 at 5:17pm:
goosecat wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 2:04pm:
the inability to understand the importance of actually saying and demonstrating the maxim; "bugger you price gouging suppliers, we're not paying that,"
If it requires better education throughout the education system at all levels to grasp that foundational truth, then that is another target to aim at.


Your error: some products and services are essential (non-discretionary) purchases; the RBA - following your obsolete orthodoxy - blithely ignores that reality.

But you are correct in that the RBA is only 'following  the current rules of the system', which is why it is  "crashing the economy" to control inflation, as examined by ABC's business reporter Gareth Hutchins:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-08/is-the-reserve-bank-to-blame-for-people-s...

Is it the Reserve Bank's fault that some people might have to sell their homes?
........

Hutchins concludes: "What will it take for policymakers to explore alternative ways of doing things, as Phil Lowe suggested, so the burden of inflation control is felt more evenly by the community?


It ignores nothing of the kind and that is the problem with low level IQ assumptions.


You wrote:

(Low IQ people showing)
the inability to understand the importance of actually saying and demonstrating the maxim; "bugger you price gouging suppliers, we're not paying that
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That says consumers have to tell Coles and Woolies (who have  70% of the retail food market) "we aren't going to buy food until you lower your prices".

What do you think you imagined you said?

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RBA economists...


...who are f**kwits  who think its ok to increase  unemployment and force mortgagees to sell their homes to control inflation (as Hutchens examined).

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....and board are well aware of essential services and the percentage of spend, as if they wouldn't be lol. Even proposing that sort of thinking indicates the child-like shallowness of your understanding.


Bullock was the complete and utter fool who said expenditure on haircuts and dental  treatment was causing inflation.

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As should be obvious to even the most basic level of comprehension; If you want governments to have further individual governmental control of markets and pricing of individual categories of spend, or demand control, then that is where your effort needs to go.


Exactly, but the problem is obsolete mainstream neoclassical economists including the fools running the RBA DON'T want governments to take control of markets; and politicians are committed to the 'independence' of the  RBA so they ALSO don't have to be responsible for demand control.   

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Once again, the RBA is doing exactly as it should, with the tools it has.


So you are incapable of exploring the urgent need for alternative RBA tools,  as Hutchens called for.
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Reply #64 - Sep 16th, 2024 at 1:39pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
Bullock was the complete and utter fool who said expenditure on haircuts and dental  treatment was causing inflation.


Ah.. so you're another one of the idiots whinging about cost of living increases whilst sipping your X% price increased coffee, through your X% price increased newly whitened teeth after having your X% price increased perm and colour done.

Honestly the economic discussion doesn't need non-comprehending juveniles like yourself anywhere near it. If people are still undertaking those kinds of spends, unchecked by an increased cost burden, then we haven't done enough to fight off the society destroying inflation beast.
Now go and take a drive in your X% price increased new car and have a whinge about that as well Roll Eyes

The fundamental never changes in any system. If you keep buying the price increases, the increases keep going. For the sake of all citizens and to stop baked in for years/decades loss of buying power, people like you, without the brains to understand unchanging fundamentals, or at least as many as can be affected, have to be forced to stop buying the increases.
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Reply #65 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 11:31am
 
goosecat wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 1:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 1:03pm:
Bullock was the complete and utter fool who said expenditure on haircuts and dental  treatment was causing inflation.


Ah.. so you're another one of the idiots whinging about cost of living increases whilst sipping your X% price increased coffee, through your X% price increased newly whitened teeth after having your X% price increased perm and colour done.


Notice:  you can't address what Bullock actually said (following  her mainstream neoclassical idiocy)  so you attempt to change the narrative displaying your own idiocy, namely, attempting to show non-discretionary spending is discretionary.  Why are food prices increasing?

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Honestly the economic discussion doesn't need non-comprehending juveniles like yourself anywhere near it. If people are still undertaking those kinds of spends, unchecked by an increased cost burden, then we haven't done enough to fight off the society destroying inflation beast.


I ask again, why are food prices increasing?

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Now go and take a drive in your X% price increased new car and have a whinge about that as well Roll Eyes


Most people suffering the current cost of living crisis aren't buying cars, they are forced to choose between paying rent, or sellling their home, or turning on the heater, or buying healthy food. 

Your classical economics' blindness is egregious.

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The fundamental never changes in any system.


If you are ideologically blinded by "the dismal science" - obsolete in a world of plenty.

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  If you keep buying the price increases, the increases keep going.


That's right, which is why the Greens want rent controls.

The actual solution to rising house and rental price increases is recreation of a public housing department; the private sector has created the current massive market failure - to house everyone affordably. 

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For the sake of all citizens and to stop baked in for years/decades loss of buying power, people like you, without the brains to understand unchanging fundamentals, or at least as many as can be affected, have to be forced to stop buying the increases.


Addressed and refuted above; you are merely displaying the egregious results of blind, obsolete economic orthodoxy.

Start using your brain:

If the treasury of a currency-issuing government issues 'debt' (via money created out of thin air), to whom is the 'debt' owed? 
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