Gnads is furious he wasn't labeled as one of the wethers. Gnads has put his balls on the line.

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 9:58am:


At the very least I have balls ... where's yours?

Fell off with the rubber ring?

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 8^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:


So your proof that the Israelis don't want peace is the fact that they democratically elected a PM who even you admit sought peace?

How about the fact that they do not seek war, did not start any of the wars that Israel has been involved in, and gave back huge tracks of land they won in those wars?

And your argument about them "living in peace" for centuries also does not hold water. Parroting it won't make any difference, so I do not understand your complaint that being a parrot has no effect on others. There are four clear reasons I can think of:

1) Following the European holocaust, the Arabs tried to have their own. They were successful of ridding their countries of almost all Jews. Let me know if you need the numbers again. They were only unsuccessful  when they tried to follow it with a military assault on the Jews that fled to Israel rather than leaving lands "owned" by Islam.

2) There are plenty of precedents of Muhammad himself either slaughtering Jews, or expelling them first then years later slaughtering them wherever they ended up.

3) They did not "live in peace". They lived under the subjugation of Islamic law. Democracy, human rights, and Jews being in charge is an affront to all of those things. Tolerating a small number of remnant Jews under subjugation and constant threat of death is not the same as tolerating free Jews creating their own country, creating democracy, giving Jews, Muslims and everyone else human rights etc.

4) LTYC is on the fringe here. Across the Arab Muslim world, his views are the norm. The place is full of little Hitlers spreading the sort of absurd anti-Jewish propaganda that passes for a joke in the west. Perhaps that is why you instinctively come to the defense of the Islamic supremacists.

For many centuries, the Muslims ruled Greece. Did the Greeks become Muslims? Did anyone even try to Islamize them? On the contrary, Christian Greeks held the highest positions in the Ottoman administration. The Bulgarians, Serbs, Romanians, Hungarians and other European nations lived at one time or another under Ottoman rule and clung to their Christian faith. Nobody compelled them to become Muslims and all of them remained devoutly Christian...

As is well known, under Muslim rule the Jews of Spain enjoyed a bloom the like of which the Jews did not enjoy anywhere else until almost our time. Poets like Yehuda Halevy wrote in Arabic, as did the great Maimonides. In Muslim Spain, Jews were ministers, poets, scientists. In Muslim Toledo, Christian, Jewish and Muslim scholars worked together and translated the ancient Greek philosophical and scientific texts. That was, indeed, the Golden Age. How would this have been possible, had the Prophet decreed the "spreading of the faith by the sword"?

What happened afterwards is even more telling. When the Catholics re-conquered Spain from the Muslims, they instituted a reign of religious terror. The Jews and the Muslims were presented with a cruel choice: to become Christians, to be massacred or to leave.


- Uri Avnery: Mohammed’s Sword


https://www.palestinechronicle.com/uri-avnery-mohammeds-sword/

Gnads wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 9:41am:


It's quite simple, Zionism is racist because it asserts that Jews have a greater entitlement to that land than the native Palestinians.

UN Resolution 3379, adopted on 10 November 1975, "Determines that Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination"  - later revoked under Zionist pressure.

wombatwoody wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 4:41pm:

By that logic, Aboriginal sovereignty is also wacist.
Any sovereignty is wacist.

Any sovereignty is wacist.

Frank wrote on Sep 9^th, 2024 at 4:57pm:


By that logic every nation should have open borders, allowing anybody from anywhere into their country - with rare exceptions for preventing terrorism or the spread of contagious diseases.