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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #105 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:33am

'The Electoral College was due to pressure from slave states wanting to increase their voting power (since they could count slaves as 3/5 of a person when allocating electors)'. 'Early legal acts, like the Naturalization Act of 1790, granted naturalized citizenship to "free white ...of good character", thus excluding slaves, free Black people, Native Americans, indentured servants, and Asians.'

Then the US had less freedom than Rome where non-Italians could become free Roman citizens and vote.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74229 Gender:	Re: The debate summed up Reply #106 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:56am MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:10am: Well... she was not called out for taking certain comments out of context... Trump wasn't called out hundreds of times he lied either ... they only fact checked the most outlandish claims.
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Reply #107 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:18am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:48am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:10am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:04am:

ABC moderators ABSOLUTELY did their job! They held Trump to account on his innumerable lies. The only reason they didn't call out Harris much is because almost everything she said was the truth.

Well... she was not called out for taking certain comments out of context...

The 'bloodbath' comment for example. In context, it was a reference to Chinese trade being an economic 'bloodbath' if Trump lost the election... NOT a violent uprising resulting in a bloodbath.

Harris and the Democratic Party knew the context but have misrepresented that since Trump said it.

Having said that, Trump failed to capitalise on an easy rebuttal of context. opting instead to obsess over crowd sizes, Viktor Orban's love for him and Haitian dog-eating in Ohio.

Given Trump seems committed to playing the feisty dumb c~nt for his base, Harris needs to be wary of portraying herself as the sneering and condescending snoot... That will only help to fire up the 50,000 white trash in 6 states to get out of their hollers and vote for Trump.

I'm not sure I'd be wanting to say Viktor Orban is a friend or loves me. Not really the kinda crowd a candidate for President should really be yearning for.

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Reply #108 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:19am

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 11:32pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 5:22pm:

Kamala told several whoppers.

Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say.

"The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.”
The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is.

Kamala said Trump praised Xi when we all know the leftists were butthurt when Trump called Covid the China Virus.

Moderators only “fact-checking” one side even as Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie. Snopes and many others have debunked that lie.

It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that.

Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine. Putin waiting until sleepy Joe was in power before he invaded.
Biden was VP when Putin took Crimea.

Trump put sanctions on Iran Biden-Harris removed them gave Iran billions which they spent funding Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis.

The Dork from Nork was in his place when Trump informed him his red button was bigger and it worked.
One day the left will realise appeasing tin pot dictators doesn't work.

The democrats have a pissweak foreign policy they stuff up everything they touch.

As Trump said in closing if the democrats were going to fix things why have they done nothing in the last 3 and a half years.

The retards with TDS will say Kamala won
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Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say.

Federal laws override state laws. If they pass fed legislation it goes to the President's desk when he signs it it is law.

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"The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.”
The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is.

You are trying to prove lies not hypocrisy?

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It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that.

Trump got a $35 per month agreement with some people via a voluntary programme. Biden legislated it for all Medicare i.e. millions of people.

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Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine.

Doubt he would have taken his tongue out of Putin's botty long enough to make any such threat. Once again you fantasy here shows no Harris lie ?

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Kamala said Trump praised Xi

They were sending love letters ?

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Jan. 24, Twitter: Trump (about 20 like this)

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

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Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie.

‘very fine people on both sides’

Nothing else here related to Harris telling a lie. Looks like you lost track of what you were doing.

None of these claims are correct.

That's the thing, it's a lie to say, she lied more than Trump...

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #109 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:25am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:48am:

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Having said that, Trump failed to capitalise on an easy rebuttal of context. opting instead to obsess over crowd sizes, Viktor Orban's love for him and Haitian dog-eating in Ohio.

Given Trump seems committed to playing the feisty dumb c~nt for his base, Harris needs to be wary of portraying herself as the sneering and condescending snoot... That will only help to fire up the 50,000 white trash in 6 states to get out of their hollers and vote for Trump.

yes, I think Harris did very well to appeal to ALL americans.
She did not abuse trump and addressed him quite respectfully.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #110 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am

Leaving aside Trump's advancing his feisty dumb c~nt schtick for his base, which at least a method in the madness can be intuited, his admission that he had no healthcare plan (only 'concepts of a plan') - after 9 years ranting about it, no less... with 4 of those years in power, should be the death knell for independents and undecideds considering Trump as a viable candidate for the presidency.

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Reply #111 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:02am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Leaving aside Trump's advancing his feisty dumb c~nt schtick for his base, which at least a method in the madness can be intuited, his admission that he had no healthcare plan (only 'concepts of a plan') - after 9 years ranting about it, no less... with 4 of those years in power, should be the death knell for independents and undecideds considering Trump as a viable candidate for the presidency.

He also claims he has a plan to end the Ukraine war within 24 hours of becoming President, but instead of detailing it, goes off on another rant full of lies and conspiracy theories. But he doesn't come close to answering the question - not within miles of what was asked by the moderator. This is the common theme in the entire debate for Trump - he doesn't come close to answering a question and the few times he's held to account, it's abundantly clear he has no plan. He has no plan for healthcare, unlike what he says at his MAGA cult rallies. He has no plan for ending the Ukraine war, unlike what he says at his MAGA cult rallies. He has no plan other than seeking to punish those who he feels have wronged him. It's all about him. It's all about Trump. He does not care about ordinary Americans. He is the epitome of selfishness and is only in it to benefit himself.

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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30063 Gender:	Re: The debate summed up Reply #112 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:09am Trump is up in the polls after the debate
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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #113 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:12am

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:19am:

Dnarever wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 11:32pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 11^th, 2024 at 5:22pm:

Kamala told several whoppers.

Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say.

"The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.”
The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is.

Kamala said Trump praised Xi when we all know the leftists were butthurt when Trump called Covid the China Virus.

Moderators only “fact-checking” one side even as Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie. Snopes and many others have debunked that lie.

It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that.

Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine. Putin waiting until sleepy Joe was in power before he invaded.
Biden was VP when Putin took Crimea.

Trump put sanctions on Iran Biden-Harris removed them gave Iran billions which they spent funding Hamas Hezbollah and Houthis.

The Dork from Nork was in his place when Trump informed him his red button was bigger and it worked.
One day the left will realise appeasing tin pot dictators doesn't work.

The democrats have a pissweak foreign policy they stuff up everything they touch.

As Trump said in closing if the democrats were going to fix things why have they done nothing in the last 3 and a half years.

The retards with TDS will say Kamala won
Grin

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Abortion is now a state issue which means federal government including Trump has no say.

Federal laws override state laws. If they pass fed legislation it goes to the President's desk when he signs it it is law.

Quote:

"The freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government.”
The Biden-Harris Government forced covid vax on everyone what a lying hypocrite Kamala is.

You are trying to prove lies not hypocrisy?

Quote:

It was Trump who capped price of insulin at $35 Kamala is lying by trying to take credit for that.

Trump got a $35 per month agreement with some people via a voluntary programme. Biden legislated it for all Medicare i.e. millions of people.

Quote:

Trump threatened to bomb Moscow if Putin tried to invade Ukraine.

Doubt he would have taken his tongue out of Putin's botty long enough to make any such threat. Once again you fantasy here shows no Harris lie ?

Quote:

Kamala said Trump praised Xi

They were sending love letters ?

Quote:

Jan. 24, Twitter: Trump (about 20 like this)

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

Quote:

Kamala brings up the blatant Charlottesville lie.

‘very fine people on both sides’

Nothing else here related to Harris telling a lie. Looks like you lost track of what you were doing.

None of these claims are correct.

That's the thing, it's a lie to say, she lied more than Trump...

Now Now Trump only lied when he opened his mouth apart from that he was just fine and dandy - very dandy - insane of course but he can't help that.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #114 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Trump is up in the polls after the debate Wink

He's quoting Eric Trump. Hardly a reliable source! He's as bad as his father at lying! Grin

The vast majority of news outlets - including the very much pro-Trump Fox News, by the way - have called the debate a big win for Harris. Not a close call, but a big, convincing win for Harris.

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Reply #115 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:16am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 9:53am:

Leaving aside Trump's advancing his feisty dumb c~nt schtick for his base, which at least a method in the madness can be intuited, his admission that he had no healthcare plan (only 'concepts of a plan') - after 9 years ranting about it, no less... with 4 of those years in power, should be the death knell for independents and undecideds considering Trump as a viable candidate for the presidency.

He also claims he has a plan to end the Ukraine war within 24 hours of becoming President, but instead of detailing it, goes off on another rant full of lies and conspiracy theories. But he doesn't come close to answering the question - not within miles of what was asked by the moderator. This is the common theme in the entire debate for Trump - he doesn't come close to answering a question and the few times he's held to account, it's abundantly clear he has no plan. He has no plan for healthcare, unlike what he says at his MAGA cult rallies. He has no plan for ending the Ukraine war, unlike what he says at his MAGA cult rallies. He has no plan other than seeking to punish those who he feels have wronged him. It's all about him. It's all about Trump. He does not care about ordinary Americans. He is the epitome of selfishness and is only in it to benefit himself.

Trump went through 4 years as President without a plan why would he have one now ? He went into the 2020 election without a plan or policy - why would he have one now. He hasn't articulated the details of one single policy. Remember that from 90% of his 2016 commitments he had no and developed no actual policies. Trump has words he talks about results but he has no policies that he can articulate.

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Reply #116 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:23am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:13am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Trump is up in the polls after the debate Wink

He's quoting Eric Trump. Hardly a reliable source! He's as bad as his father at lying! Grin

The vast majority of news outlets - including the very much pro-Trump Fox News, by the way - have called the debate a big win for Harris. Not a close call, but a big, convincing win for Harris.

Let them think he's winning. They'll get complacent and it will cost them the election.

Actually, wait, that's what happened last time. They thought he was a shoe in, then he lost, was fired by 81 million Americans, but even Trump fell for his own lies, and thought he'd won so sent his cultists to attack the Capitol.

Perhaps we don't let their misinformation slide, you know, for the sake of the country.

If Trump loses again, which if he continues to unravel after the debate, he will, I'd prefer he doesn't attempt another terrorist attack on the US.

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Reply #117 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:42am

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Trump is up in the polls after the debate

It would make sense for him to do another then.

However, when asked by the Harris team if he wants a second debate, he said 'no'.

He chickened out.

If the rapist does so good in debates, why is he too scared to debate Kamala a second time?

I'm curious.

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Reply #119 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 1:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:42am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Trump is up in the polls after the debate

It would make sense for him to do another then.

However, when asked by the Harris team if he wants a second debate, he said 'no'.

He chickened out.

If the rapist does so good in debates, why is he too scared to debate Kamala a second time?

I'm curious.

What happened to "anywhere, any time"? He's scared of her now, and rightly so.

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