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Reply #135 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:24pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

Harris never answered even the first question.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/stor...

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When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS:
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So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.

Yes, Bobby is totally correct here

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Reply #136 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:24pm

https://www.firstpost.com/world/united-states/harris-a-marxist-her-professor-fat...

Who is Kamala Harris’ father?

Harris’ father Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist who has written on Marxist theory.

Donald Harris, now 86, is a retired economics professor at Stanford University who also taught at the Wisconsin-Madison university.

Trump said -

'Harris is a Marxist,

her professor father taught her well':
How Trump dismissed rival's economic policies

FP Staff • September 11, 2024

During the US Presidential debate, Donald Trump frequently referred to Kamala Harris as ‘Comrade Kamala’
and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist

During the high-octane US Presidential debate, Republican candidate Donald Trump labelled his rival and Republican nominee Kamala Harris as a “Marxist”.

Trump frequently referred to Harris as “Comrade Kamala” and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist.

“She’s a Marxist. Everybody knows she’s a Marxist.
Her father is a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well,” Trump said of his Democratic rival who laughed it off.

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Reply #138 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:28pm

trump talked for longer, than Kamala. The moderators should have cut his mike on numerous occasions.
I watched it all live.

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.......... Trump had spoken for approximately 42 minutes and 52 seconds, while Harris spoke for about 37 minutes and 36 seconds. ............

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/10/politics/speaking-times-harris-trump-debate-d...

He was also louder, told more lies, was more negative, less respectful and angrier.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #139 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

[size=12] Harris never answered even the first question.

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Yes, Bobby is totally correct here

Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius.

It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #140 - Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:43pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

[size=12] Harris never answered even the first question.

..........

Yes, Bobby is totally correct here

Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius.

It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed.

She just memorised a word salad of nonsense and regurgitated it
with no regard to what the question was about.
What a fake and a cheat and the moderators never stopped her.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #141 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 6:12am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

[size=12] Harris never answered even the first question.

..........

Yes, Bobby is totally correct here

Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius.

It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed.

To be fair, she couldn't really say Americans are better off because they aren't - as are we here in Australia. She also couldn't say Americans are not better off - that's just bad politics. So she answered with a non-answer. But seriously, she did properly answer more questions than Trump, who answered none - literally none. It was just one continuous, lie-filled rant full of conspiracy theories that have been debunked time and time again.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #142 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 6:16am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

[size=12] Harris never answered even the first question.

..........

Yes, Bobby is totally correct here

Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius.

It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed.

She just memorised a word salad of nonsense and regurgitated it
with no regard to what the question was about.
What a fake and a cheat and the moderators never stopped her.

So you've drawn a line in the sand that not answering a question at the debate was bad, do you also apply this to Trump?

Did you count the times he didn't answer the question he was asked?

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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 16906 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: The debate summed up Reply #144 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:30am greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 1:11pm: What a pathetic coward. It gets better, Chicken Run - Trump too scared for a 3rd debate
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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #145 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:38am

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 6:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

[size=12] Harris never answered even the first question.

..........

Yes, Bobby is totally correct here

Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius.

It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed.

She just memorised a word salad of nonsense and regurgitated it
with no regard to what the question was about.
What a fake and a cheat and the moderators never stopped her.

So you've drawn a line in the sand that not answering a question at the debate was bad, do you also apply this to Trump?

Did you count the times he didn't answer the question he was asked?

No - I haven't yet.
It was a bit like question time in our parliament -
no one ever answers any questions -
they do the same thing as Kamala Harris. Roll Eyes

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #146 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:43am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:38am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 6:16am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

[size=12] Harris never answered even the first question.

..........

Yes, Bobby is totally correct here

Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius.

It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed.

She just memorised a word salad of nonsense and regurgitated it
with no regard to what the question was about.
What a fake and a cheat and the moderators never stopped her.

So you've drawn a line in the sand that not answering a question at the debate was bad, do you also apply this to Trump?

Did you count the times he didn't answer the question he was asked?

No - I haven't yet.
It was a bit like question time in our parliament -
no one ever answers any questions -
they do the same thing as Kamala Harris. Roll Eyes

So, you're criticising Harris for not answering a question, but in the same breath, you're excusing it because "all politicians do it"?

Why are you so terrified of actually forming a solid opinion or setting a standard for what we should expect from our political leaders? Are you that paralysed by the thought of holding Trump to any semblance of accountability?

You refused to do it during the debate, and now, as you try to spin this fantasy of Trump winning, you're pointing fingers at Harris for things you won’t even label as good or bad, because deep down, you know they apply to Trump too.

It must be exhausting, living in such a convoluted, contradictory world.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #147 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:53am

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:43am:

So, you're criticising Harris for not answering a question, but in the same breath, you're excusing it because "all politicians do it"?

Why are you so terrified of actually forming a solid opinion or setting a standard for what we should expect from our political leaders? Are you that paralysed by the thought of holding Trump to any semblance of accountability?

You refused to do it during the debate, and now, as you try to spin this fantasy of Trump winning, you're pointing fingers at Harris for things you won’t even label as good or bad, because deep down, you know they apply to Trump too.

It must be exhausting, living in such a convoluted, contradictory world.

Actually I put politicians in the same category as:
used car dealers, real estate agents and lawyers -

all bullshit artists.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #148 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:54am

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:53am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:43am:

So, you're criticising Harris for not answering a question, but in the same breath, you're excusing it because "all politicians do it"?

Why are you so terrified of actually forming a solid opinion or setting a standard for what we should expect from our political leaders? Are you that paralysed by the thought of holding Trump to any semblance of accountability?

You refused to do it during the debate, and now, as you try to spin this fantasy of Trump winning, you're pointing fingers at Harris for things you won’t even label as good or bad, because deep down, you know they apply to Trump too.

It must be exhausting, living in such a convoluted, contradictory world.

Actually I put politicians in the same category as:
used car dealers, real estate agents and lawyers -

all bullshit artists.

So it's ok for them to not answer a question in the debate then?

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #149 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 8:05am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 6:12am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 8:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 6:53pm:

[size=12] Harris never answered even the first question.

..........

Yes, Bobby is totally correct here

Thanks Sprint - at least one person can see my genius.

It's just a plain fact. I saw it when she did it and was unimpressed.

To be fair, she couldn't really say Americans are better off because they aren't - as are we here in Australia. She also couldn't say Americans are not better off - that's just bad politics. So she answered with a non-answer. But seriously, she did properly answer more questions than Trump, who answered none - literally none. It was just one continuous, lie-filled rant full of conspiracy theories that have been debunked time and time again.

Yes, I agree entirely.
I would have far preferred had she told the truth.

eg," Yes, Americans are financially worse off now than they were 4 years ago. The whole world has experienced an inflation spike. The whole world is worse off now than then. We are recovering well from the covid pandemic, inflation has been slowed effectively, we have put on 600,000 jobs in the past 2 years.'

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