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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #150 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 8:10am

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:54am:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:53am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 7:43am:

So, you're criticising Harris for not answering a question, but in the same breath, you're excusing it because "all politicians do it"?

Why are you so terrified of actually forming a solid opinion or setting a standard for what we should expect from our political leaders? Are you that paralysed by the thought of holding Trump to any semblance of accountability?

You refused to do it during the debate, and now, as you try to spin this fantasy of Trump winning, you're pointing fingers at Harris for things you won’t even label as good or bad, because deep down, you know they apply to Trump too.

It must be exhausting, living in such a convoluted, contradictory world.

Actually I put politicians in the same category as:
used car dealers, real estate agents and lawyers -

all bullshit artists.

So it's ok for them to not answer a question in the debate then?

Look - we know that Trump stretches the truth a little at times but this was
a chance for Harris to prove she was better - but she failed.
She's just another in an endless line of political lying hacks -
people deserve better.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #151 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am

In his closing....Trump called out Harris;

"....WHY...HASN'T...SHE DONE IT ???....."

@ 00.20 "She's going to do this, she's going to do that."....
...."WHY...HASN'T...SHE DONE IT ??? "....
....."She has been there for 3 1/2 years, they have had 3 1/2 years, to fix the border.....??? "

'STAGGERING':
ABC's video of Trump's closing statement goes viral

05 min
September 12th, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/eosdMoeMHvY/

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.......the impact of former President Trump's closing statement,
which drew 17.6 million views on TikTok

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THE DEBATE......
IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them....

BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #153 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:23am

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Yadda said......
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THE DEBATE......
IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them....

BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement.

The intervention came as too little, too late.

Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate.

The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure.

While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown.

The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #154 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:51am

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162
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THE DEBATE......
IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them....

BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement.

The intervention came as too little, too late.

Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate.

The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure.

While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown.

The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance.

Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #155 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:59am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162
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THE DEBATE......
IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them....

BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement.

The intervention came as too little, too late.

Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate.

The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure.

While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown.

The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance.

Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate.

One broadcaster summed it up nicely by saying: "She baited him, then spanked him. Baited him, then spanked him".

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #156 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:02am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate.

That had to be a deliberate tactic to highlight how "Kackela" smiles and is positive, to make it look like weakness and him being strong.

It's just another of their tactics that backfired.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #157 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:05am

IN THE VIDEO BELOW.........

1/ LEFTIST pundits were salivating, ....wanting to see Trump get 'a public mauling', by Kamala Harris, in the debate.
........AND THEY DID. ......[in their opinion. ego. ]

2/ American voters [i.e. 'common old' debate watchers]....wanted to see Kamala Harris explain why the southern border has been WIDE OPEN for 3 1/2 years,
and explain what Kamala Harris would >> do << to close the southern border.
........AND THEY DID......NOT.

Included in the video....are a few 'street' interviews, with American voters, post debate.

Kayleigh McEnany:
Undecided voters didn't see what the media saw

09 min
September 12th, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/qkTHyN4IM38/

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The 'Outnumbered' panel discussed
how undecided voters are responding to the ABC News Presidential Debate
as they weigh a Trump vs. Harris presidency.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #158 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:13am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162
Quote:

THE DEBATE......
IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them....

BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement.

The intervention came as too little, too late.

Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate.

The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure.

While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown.

The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance.

Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate.

One broadcaster summed it up nicely by saying: "She baited him, then spanked him. Baited him, then spanked him".

So she acted like a bitchy wife, not as a respectable head of state.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #159 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:14am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162
Quote:

THE DEBATE......
IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them....

BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement.

The intervention came as too little, too late.

Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate.

The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure.

While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown.

The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance.

Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate.

One broadcaster summed it up nicely by saying: "She baited him, then spanked him. Baited him, then spanked him".

That is exactly what I saw.
kamala started off badly by not answering the first question.
trump became unravelled as the debate went on.
he raved, rambled and was adversely affected by his emotional immaturity.
Kamala held it together early on when she started off poorly then finished very well .
I did like her finishing statement.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #160 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:08pm

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162
Quote:

THE DEBATE......
IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them....

BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement.

The intervention came as too little, too late.

Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate.

The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure.

While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown.

The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance.

Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate.

One broadcaster summed it up nicely by saying: "She baited him, then spanked him. Baited him, then spanked him".

So she acted like a bitchy wife, not as a respectable head of state.

No, she knew how to push his buttons and bring him undone. He really was his own worst enemy in that debate. One prime example is when she raised crowd sizes. You could almost hear him scowling at the mention of that subject and he fell for it hook, line and sinker by going on a rant about how he has the biggest rallies in history ever and how no one turns up to her rallies and so on and so forth. He looked and sounded like a lunatic who escaped from the mental asylum while she looked Presidential simply by standing there and smiling while watching him get more and more unhinged, culminating in his bizarre statement about illegals eating peoples' dogs and cats! That was absolute gold. No wonder shares in Truth Social tanked after the debate and campaign finance donors deserted him. She knew what buttons to push and how to push them - Trump did the rest of the work himself! Grin

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #161 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:16pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:51am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:23am:

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1725856767/162#162
Quote:

THE DEBATE......
IMO, there was too much 'gab' from both of them....

BUT, Donald Trump did make a very good job of it [expressing his pov], in his closing statement.

The intervention came as too little, too late.

Initially, he projected a demeanour of calm and composure, which was unexpectedly presidential and left a positive impression. However, it soon became evident that he was significantly unsettled, unable to make even basic eye contact with Harris, a discomfort he maintained throughout the entirety of the debate.

The facade of calmness was ephemeral. Harris adeptly exploited his vulnerabilities, inducing a profound reaction that persisted for the remainder of the debate. The initial poise gave way to an erratic, almost frantic display reminiscent of Trump’s more unrestrained rallies, signalling a clear decline in his composure.

While he did articulate some ostensibly compelling arguments in his closing remarks, a more thorough examination reveals that their significance was overstated by his supporters. These points, while rhetorically effective, did not sufficiently address or mitigate the earlier errors, deceptions, and evident breakdown.

The most salient observation was his susceptibility to manipulation by his opponent, a trait that has long been recognised and exploited by global leaders, particularly those known for their autocratic tendencies. The spectacle of him preferring Russia's assurances over his own country's security agencies, after being flattered by their leader, underscores a troubling vulnerability in his diplomatic stance.

Exactly. In the beginning he looked relatively in control of his emotions. As time went on and Harris grew more successful in baiting Trump, he became more unhinged and delusional in his rants. It's worth noting that not once - not a single time - during the debate did Trump smile. He just scowled and looked angry literally the entire time. Not a good look in a presidential debate.

One broadcaster summed it up nicely by saying: "She baited him, then spanked him. Baited him, then spanked him".

So she acted like a bitchy wife, not as a respectable head of state.

No, she knew how to push his buttons and bring him undone.

That explains why he thought she was being a bitchy wife. She spoke the truth that Trump couldn't handle. Probably a little too close to home for Frank.

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He really was his own worst enemy in that debate. One prime example is when she raised crowd sizes. You could almost hear him scowling at the mention of that subject and he fell for it hook, line and sinker by going on a rant about how he has the biggest rallies in history ever and how no one turns up to her rallies and so on and so forth. He looked and sounded like a lunatic who escaped from the mental asylum while she looked Presidential simply by standing there and smiling while watching him get more and more unhinged, culminating in his bizarre statement about illegals eating peoples' dogs and cats! That was absolute gold. No wonder shares in Truth Social tanked after the debate and campaign finance donors deserted him. She knew what buttons to push and how to push them - Trump did the rest of the work himself! Grin

Yeah. He's so easily manipulated. It's sad.

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #162 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:18pm

Yadda wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 10:09am:

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In his closing....Trump called out Harris;

.................. ...."WHY...HASN'T...SHE DONE IT ??? "....
....."She has been there for 3 1/2 years, they have had 3 1/2 years, to fix the border.....??? "

Kamala did address this.
Trump stopped a bill that would have hired 1500 more immigration agents.

Also the immigrants were driven out of their homelands by push factors, not drawn to US by pull factors.

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Reply #163 - Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:21pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 12:08pm:

............. No, she knew how to push his buttons and bring him undone.
He really was his own worst enemy in that debate.
One prime example is when she raised crowd sizes. You could almost hear him scowling at the mention of that subject and he fell for it hook, line and sinker by going on a rant about how he has the biggest rallies in history ever and how no one turns up to her rallies and so on and so forth.
He looked and sounded like a lunatic who escaped from the mental asylum while she looked Presidential simply by standing there and smiling while watching him get more and more unhinged, culminating in his bizarre statement about illegals eating peoples' dogs and cats! That was absolute gold. No wonder shares in Truth Social tanked after the debate and campaign finance donors deserted him. She knew what buttons to push and how to push them - Trump did the rest of the work himself! Grin

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Re: The debate summed up
Reply #164 - Sep 14^th, 2024 at 8:43am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 7:10am:

Well... she was not called out for taking certain comments out of context...

The 'bloodbath' comment for example. In context, it was a reference to Chinese trade being an economic 'bloodbath' if Trump lost the election... NOT a violent uprising resulting in a bloodbath.

Harris and the Democratic Party knew the context but have misrepresented that since Trump said it.

So Trump comments on his 'bloodbath' comment in Tucson...

"The 'bloodbath' hoax which has been totally debunked, which had to do with the automobile industry..."

In the Biden-Trump debate, Biden also referred to the 'bloodbath' comment.

The Democrats need to end the tactic of capitalising on misquoting - that is a Trump tactic.

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