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Proof of the stolen, rigged election
Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:32am
 
Trump has repeated the lie that the election he lost was stolen, rigged, riddled with fraud so many times I don't think anyone is still keeping count of how many times he says it. But he also says that he has proof, he refers to this proof almost as many times as he repeats the lie. But thus far, he has not produced any. He has told others to search for it - look it up, he says. I'm sorry, but that isn't how it works. When you make a claim, the burden of proof lies with you - not the people you're trying to convince. As they say in science, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and so far neither Trump nor his supporters or campaign staff have offered any proof whatsoever - none. Indeed, he lost dozens of court cases at the hands of Judges he himself had appointed in his attempt to discredit and/or overturn the election.

So I'll say this once and for all. There's a saying that I think should be asked of him. Put up or shut up!
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Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:40am
 

His legal team admitted that they had no evidence.

The Cyber Ninjas - hired and paid for by the GOP & Trump - found nothing when they did their independent audit.

Well, that's not entirely true - they found more votes for Biden.

Everyone knows there's no evidence, but that makes no difference to his cult members - they just blindly accept whatever their Dear Leader says.

'Proof' and 'Truth' are two words that do not exist in their vocabulary.



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Reply #2 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:52am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:32am:
Trump has repeated the lie that the election he lost was stolen, rigged, riddled with fraud so many times I don't think anyone is still keeping count of how many times he says it. But he also says that he has proof, he refers to this proof almost as many times as he repeats the lie. But thus far, he has not produced any. He has told others to search for it - look it up, he says. I'm sorry, but that isn't how it works. When you make a claim, the burden of proof lies with you - not the people you're trying to convince. As they say in science, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and so far neither Trump nor his supporters or campaign staff have offered any proof whatsoever - none. Indeed, he lost dozens of court cases at the hands of Judges he himself had appointed in his attempt to discredit and/or overturn the election.

So I'll say this once and for all. There's a saying that I think should be asked of him. Put up or shut up!

Are Fair Elections Possible?
The 2020 elections raised serious questions about foul play in the American voting process.

by Andrew E. Busch
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The 2020 elections raised serious questions about foul play in the American voting process. Many observers voiced concerns about election integrity in both a narrower sense—the processes and administration of elections—and a broader sense—the overall context in which elections play out. Mollie Hemingway’s Rigged and John Fund and Hans von Spakovsky’s Our Broken Elections: How the Left Changed the Way You Vote address these issues in distinctive but overlapping ways. Hemingway, a senior editor of the Federalist blog and senior journalism fellow at Hillsdale College who earlier this year won the prestigious Bradley Prize for her writing, examines the broader context of the 2020 election and concludes: “The powers that be did whatever it took to prevent Trump from winning his re-election bid in 2020.” Her subtitle discloses who those powers are: How the Media, Big Tech, and the Democrats Seized Our Elections. Fund is a journalist and von Spakovsky a legal scholar who served a stint in the U.S. Department of Justice, both with a longstanding interest in studying and preventing election fraud. Their focus is on election integrity more narrowly defined, both in 2020 and before.

Hemingway provides a very good overview of the forces working against Donald Trump’s presidency and re-election: an unhinged Left, a seemingly interminable Russiagate investigation based largely on cooked information, a coronavirus pandemic, race riots welcomed (if not fomented) by Trump’s adversaries, a mainstream media that acted as an adjunct of the Democratic Party, social media curators who picked favorites and censored conservative opinions, biased debate organizers and moderators, a massive get-out-the-vote drive funded by Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and aimed at Democratic voters, and an unprecedented legal push by Democrats and their allies to revise election rules radically in their own favor. Republicans, Hemingway argues, saw themselves as “victims of an election that was rigged from the day Trump won the presidential election in November 2016.”

She carefully describes and documents many of these factors, providing example after example of “a media complex that moved from extreme partisan to unabashed propaganda in the defense of the Democratic Party.” The press accused Trump of everything from standing by while Russia paid the Taliban to kill American soldiers to pleading with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to conjure up 11,780 new votes. The “Russian bounties” claim proved bogus, and Hemingway argues that Trump was really asking Raffensperger to identify ineligible voters who voted, not fabricate votes where there were none. She also exposes the hypocrisies of many of Trump’s critics, starting with Democratic challenges to the legitimacy of Republican election victories in 2000, 2004, and 2016. As she notes in her first paragraph, “the last time Democrats fully accepted the legitimacy of a presidential election they lost was in 1988.” And there are many other instances of “situational thinking.” Democrats downplayed the danger of the novel coronavirus prior to March 2020, at which point it served their political interests to reverse course and become COVID hawks. They also shared concerns about Dominion electronic voting systems with Republicans until November 2020, when they suddenly abandoned those concerns.

https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/are-fair-elections-possible/


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Reply #3 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:11pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:52am:
Read the whole article.


I did read it.

Did you?

The piece acknowledges that legal changes and procedural adjustments were made during the election, some of which were criticised by Trump and his supporters. It notes that these changes, perceived by some as advantageous to Democrats, might be seen as skewing the playing field.

However, it also highlights that many of these modifications were legally sanctioned and, in some instances, implemented by courts or state officials as a response to the pandemic and other extenuating circumstances.

The article critically assesses the more extreme fraud claims associated with Trump, including those related to Dominion voting systems, arguing that such claims lack substantive evidence and are frequently overstated. It dismisses these sensational allegations and emphasises that the documented irregularities did not reach a magnitude capable of altering the election outcome.

Moreover, it points out the substantial challenges and missteps of Trump's campaign. The article suggests that Trump’s low approval ratings, lack of a clear path to victory, and mishandling of various issues likely played a more significant role in his defeat than any procedural or legal changes.

Thus, your post serves to reinforce the evidence suggesting that Trump’s assertions of a stolen election lack merit.

It must be excruciating to be a Trump supporter in the aftermath of the debate.

Now, you’re left to defend farcical claims of election fraud, which have been thoroughly discredited by a slew of failed court cases due to a total lack of evidence.

You’re also required to uphold the absurd notion that immigrants are supposedly consuming pets in states where authorities have confirmed no such incidents, and to justify the ridiculous assertion that crime rates are climbing despite clear evidence to the contrary (while blaming immigrants of course, especially black ones).

Moreover, the fabrications you’ve spun about Harris and Walz not only fall flat but disintegrate under even the most cursory scrutiny.

Haven’t you suffered enough humiliation after yesterday’s debate?
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Re: Proof of the stolen, rigged election
Reply #4 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:18pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:11pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:52am:
Read the whole article.


I did read it.

Did you?

The piece acknowledges that legal changes and procedural adjustments were made during the election, some of which were criticised by Trump and his supporters. It notes that these changes, perceived by some as advantageous to Democrats, might be seen as skewing the playing field.

However, it also highlights that many of these modifications were legally sanctioned and, in some instances, implemented by courts or state officials as a response to the pandemic and other extenuating circumstances.



Of course I read it. I also read the book, "Rigged". That is why I have referenced the article.

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Note the umpire, as well as the playing field.
1 picture = 1000 words.
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Reply #5 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:26pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:32am:
Trump has repeated the lie that the election he lost was stolen, rigged, riddled with fraud so many times I don't think anyone is still keeping count of how many times he says it. But he also says that he has proof, he refers to this proof almost as many times as he repeats the lie. But thus far, he has not produced any. He has told others to search for it - look it up, he says. I'm sorry, but that isn't how it works. When you make a claim, the burden of proof lies with you - not the people you're trying to convince. As they say in science, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and so far neither Trump nor his supporters or campaign staff have offered any proof whatsoever - none. Indeed, he lost dozens of court cases at the hands of Judges he himself had appointed in his attempt to discredit and/or overturn the election.

So I'll say this once and for all. There's a saying that I think should be asked of him. Put up or shut up!


he lost over 60 court cases.
If he had proof he did not show it to over 60 judges.
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Reply #6 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:27pm
 
MAGAs forever the victims. All their lives.

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Re: Proof of the stolen, rigged election
Reply #7 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:33pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:26pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:32am:
Trump has repeated the lie that the election he lost was stolen, rigged, riddled with fraud so many times I don't think anyone is still keeping count of how many times he says it. But he also says that he has proof, he refers to this proof almost as many times as he repeats the lie. But thus far, he has not produced any. He has told others to search for it - look it up, he says. I'm sorry, but that isn't how it works. When you make a claim, the burden of proof lies with you - not the people you're trying to convince. As they say in science, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and so far neither Trump nor his supporters or campaign staff have offered any proof whatsoever - none. Indeed, he lost dozens of court cases at the hands of Judges he himself had appointed in his attempt to discredit and/or overturn the election.

So I'll say this once and for all. There's a saying that I think should be asked of him. Put up or shut up!


he lost over 60 court cases.
If he had proof he did not show it to over 60 judges.


What's frightening is the fact that his MAGA cult members still say the election was rigged/fraudulent despite the absolute, total, complete, utter lack of any proof whatsoever and as you said, the more than 60 court cases lost by his legal team even at the hands of Trump-appointed Judges! It just goes to show that nothing - absolutely nothing whatsoever - will change their mind that the election was stolen. You really can't fix stupid.
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Reply #8 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:38pm
 
According to sore end, a far right blogger writing a book claiming it was stolen is proof that it was stolen  Grin Grin Grin


All that book proves is how gullible sore end is. I hope he didn't pay for that book Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:18pm:
1 picture = 1000 words.



and not one of those words come even remotely close to proving the election was stolen Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #10 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:50pm
 
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Reply #11 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:55pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:18pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:11pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:52am:
Read the whole article.


I did read it.

Did you?

The piece acknowledges that legal changes and procedural adjustments were made during the election, some of which were criticised by Trump and his supporters. It notes that these changes, perceived by some as advantageous to Democrats, might be seen as skewing the playing field.

However, it also highlights that many of these modifications were legally sanctioned and, in some instances, implemented by courts or state officials as a response to the pandemic and other extenuating circumstances.



Of course I read it. I also read the book, "Rigged". That is why I have referenced the article.

[url]https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Busch.j
pg[/url]

Note the umpire, as well as the playing field.
1 picture = 1000 words.


1 picture = 1000 words?

That can be true.  But you're only using it because the article you've posted debunks your claims.  Own goal stuff and all...

However, as a staunch adherent of Trumpism, it seems you are resolutely committed to disregarding any inconvenient information that contradicts your beliefs. Instead, you cling to fragments of “truth” that can be manipulated to fit your narrative, all in a bid to shield your precarious worldview from the demands of objective reality.
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Reply #12 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:56pm
 
The views of the debate from The Federalist:


Debate Moderators Bringing Up J6 But Not Trump Assassination Attempt Tells You Everything About Media Corruption


The lying and gaslighting were so brazen from Harris, and the “fact-checking” from Muir and Davis so lop-sided (they failed even once to push back or correct any of Harris’ obvious falsehoods), that the entire spectacle eventually took on an air of unreality. It was bizarre to see it happening live on the air. By the end, my main takeaway was that the purpose of these debates, besides the media’s obvious goal of boosting Harris and hurting Trump, is to confuse and demoralize the American people by distorting reality and flooding the internet with lies, making it impossible to know what’s true and what’s not.

...

Former President Donald Trump showed up for a traditional political debate Tuesday night, but he instead found himself in the middle of a 90-minute ambush to boost Kamala Harris.

Working as a team, ABC hosts David Muir and Linsey Davis propped up Harris and repeatedly tried to vanquish Trump by talking over him, cutting him off, and asking bizarre questions they did not ask Harris. At one point, Davis jumped in for Harris and offered a rebuttal to one of Trump’s comments on abortion, a move beyond the scope of a moderator.

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25 Lies Kamala Harris Told In Her Debate Against Trump.


https://thefederalist.com/

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Reply #13 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:58pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
The views of the debate from The Federalist:


Debate Moderators Bringing Up J6 But Not Trump Assassination Attempt Tells You Everything About Media Corruption


The lying and gaslighting were so brazen from Harris, and the “fact-checking” from Muir and Davis so lop-sided (they failed even once to push back or correct any of Harris’ obvious falsehoods), that the entire spectacle eventually took on an air of unreality. It was bizarre to see it happening live on the air. By the end, my main takeaway was that the purpose of these debates, besides the media’s obvious goal of boosting Harris and hurting Trump, is to confuse and demoralize the American people by distorting reality and flooding the internet with lies, making it impossible to know what’s true and what’s not.

...

Former President Donald Trump showed up for a traditional political debate Tuesday night, but he instead found himself in the middle of a 90-minute ambush to boost Kamala Harris.

Working as a team, ABC hosts David Muir and Linsey Davis propped up Harris and repeatedly tried to vanquish Trump by talking over him, cutting him off, and asking bizarre questions they did not ask Harris. At one point, Davis jumped in for Harris and offered a rebuttal to one of Trump’s comments on abortion, a move beyond the scope of a moderator.

...

25 Lies Kamala Harris Told In Her Debate Against Trump.


https://thefederalist.com/

It is great to have serious voices countering the shrill Dam boosters at CNN, ABC, Granuiad, Etc.


Who would have thought MAGA tears would be so salty?

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Reply #14 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:59pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 12:26pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:32am:
Trump has repeated the lie that the election he lost was stolen, rigged, riddled with fraud so many times I don't think anyone is still keeping count of how many times he says it. But he also says that he has proof, he refers to this proof almost as many times as he repeats the lie. But thus far, he has not produced any. He has told others to search for it - look it up, he says. I'm sorry, but that isn't how it works. When you make a claim, the burden of proof lies with you - not the people you're trying to convince. As they say in science, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and so far neither Trump nor his supporters or campaign staff have offered any proof whatsoever - none. Indeed, he lost dozens of court cases at the hands of Judges he himself had appointed in his attempt to discredit and/or overturn the election.

So I'll say this once and for all. There's a saying that I think should be asked of him. Put up or shut up!


he lost over 60 court cases.
If he had proof he did not show it to over 60 judges.


His legal team told the judges that they had no evidence - just theories.

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