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Re: Violence against women and children
Reply #30 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:38am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:31am:
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:25am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:05am:
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:10am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 12:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 2:03pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 9:54am:
Alas, Ozpol is just a place for badly educated boomers to congratulate each other over how hateful they are.


Sad, but oh so true.



It's such a depressingly accurate description of this place.


Truth telling about remote Aboriginal 'culture' is uncomfortable, eh?



What you and the other patrons of god's waiting room are doing here is not Truth Telling, it's distorting and improperly representing selective statistics.

Statistics that, while alarming, are no surprises at all to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of how generational poverty, grief and loss impact on communities. There are no statistics coming out of remote Aboriginal communities that are not mirrored all over the world in cases of similar compound disadvantage.

But absolutely every chance you horrible, horrible people get, you try to make it cultural. And you exert your flaccid superiority over it all.

And not only that! Any thread on First Nation's people, anything at all, you're all in there, regurgitating the same old crap. Broadcasting your ignorance and your bigotry.

And then try to call it Truth Telling.

Idiots.


Nonsense at every level.

These are not selective statistics.

It is cultural, not natural. Otherwise EVERY Aboriginal man would be a violent danger to his wife and and children, every aboriginal mother would neglect her children, every Aboriginal child would be a malnourished delinquent. But this is NOT the case, obviously.

This behaviour is not an inevitable, necessary consequence of disadvantage.



Oh my god you're an idiot.

All over the world, in every situation where there is entrenched poverty , grief and loss, these same statistics are replicated.

It is not cultural. It is sociological. It is, in fact, predictable and inevitable.

As every school boy knows.


A lie. Not even in remote Aboriginal settlements is everyone like that.




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Re: Violence against women and children
Reply #31 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:44am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:38am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:31am:
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:25am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:05am:
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:10am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 12:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 2:03pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 9:54am:
Alas, Ozpol is just a place for badly educated boomers to congratulate each other over how hateful they are.


Sad, but oh so true.



It's such a depressingly accurate description of this place.


Truth telling about remote Aboriginal 'culture' is uncomfortable, eh?



What you and the other patrons of god's waiting room are doing here is not Truth Telling, it's distorting and improperly representing selective statistics.

Statistics that, while alarming, are no surprises at all to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of how generational poverty, grief and loss impact on communities. There are no statistics coming out of remote Aboriginal communities that are not mirrored all over the world in cases of similar compound disadvantage.

But absolutely every chance you horrible, horrible people get, you try to make it cultural. And you exert your flaccid superiority over it all.

And not only that! Any thread on First Nation's people, anything at all, you're all in there, regurgitating the same old crap. Broadcasting your ignorance and your bigotry.

And then try to call it Truth Telling.

Idiots.


Nonsense at every level.

These are not selective statistics.

It is cultural, not natural. Otherwise EVERY Aboriginal man would be a violent danger to his wife and and children, every aboriginal mother would neglect her children, every Aboriginal child would be a malnourished delinquent. But this is NOT the case, obviously.

This behaviour is not an inevitable, necessary consequence of disadvantage.



Oh my god you're an idiot.

All over the world, in every situation where there is entrenched poverty , grief and loss, these same statistics are replicated.

It is not cultural. It is sociological. It is, in fact, predictable and inevitable.

As every school boy knows.


A lie. Not even in remote Aboriginal settlements is everyone like that.






Of course not everyone is like that you utter moron. Jesus! How many times do you need to be told?

Such crimes are committed by a MINORITY.

But that minority get all the attention, yes?

You and the rest of the hateful old boomers are on here every day and night bleating about the dysfunction in Aboriginal communities and absolutely crapping all over the threads talking about the successes.

At this point, you're just jokes. You're just the last ones to see it.


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Re: Violence against women and children
Reply #32 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:03am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:44am:
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:38am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:31am:
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:25am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:05am:
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:10am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 12:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 2:03pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 9:54am:
Alas, Ozpol is just a place for badly educated boomers to congratulate each other over how hateful they are.


Sad, but oh so true.



It's such a depressingly accurate description of this place.


Truth telling about remote Aboriginal 'culture' is uncomfortable, eh?



What you and the other patrons of god's waiting room are doing here is not Truth Telling, it's distorting and improperly representing selective statistics.

Statistics that, while alarming, are no surprises at all to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of how generational poverty, grief and loss impact on communities. There are no statistics coming out of remote Aboriginal communities that are not mirrored all over the world in cases of similar compound disadvantage.

But absolutely every chance you horrible, horrible people get, you try to make it cultural. And you exert your flaccid superiority over it all.

And not only that! Any thread on First Nation's people, anything at all, you're all in there, regurgitating the same old crap. Broadcasting your ignorance and your bigotry.

And then try to call it Truth Telling.

Idiots.


Nonsense at every level.

These are not selective statistics.

It is cultural, not natural. Otherwise EVERY Aboriginal man would be a violent danger to his wife and and children, every aboriginal mother would neglect her children, every Aboriginal child would be a malnourished delinquent. But this is NOT the case, obviously.

This behaviour is not an inevitable, necessary consequence of disadvantage.



Oh my god you're an idiot.

All over the world, in every situation where there is entrenched poverty , grief and loss, these same statistics are replicated.

It is not cultural. It is sociological. It is, in fact, predictable and inevitable.

As every school boy knows.


A lie. Not even in remote Aboriginal settlements is everyone like that.






Of course not everyone is like that you utter moron. Jesus! How many times do you need to be told?

Such crimes are committed by a MINORITY.

But that minority get all the attention, yes?

You and the rest of the hateful old boomers are on here every day and night bleating about the dysfunction in Aboriginal communities and absolutely crapping all over the threads talking about the successes.

At this point, you're just jokes. You're just the last ones to see it.




So not inevitable, then.
He.

Who let's this minority get away with it for so long? The majority. Why? It has cultural reasons. Every report says that because it is obvious.

Aborigines in remote areas do not mistreat each other because there are whites r Ind iiand or chinese somewhere thousands of kilometres away. That is corrosive excusing of bad behaviour and cultural tolerance of bad behaviour.

When whitey does it, it's the culture of toxic masculinity and sexism. When Aborigines do it, it's poverty, grief and loss.

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Re: Violence against women and children
Reply #33 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:12am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:03am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:44am:
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:38am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:31am:
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:25am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:05am:
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 8:10am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 1st, 2024 at 12:16am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 30th, 2024 at 2:03pm:
mothra wrote on Nov 27th, 2024 at 9:54am:
Alas, Ozpol is just a place for badly educated boomers to congratulate each other over how hateful they are.


Sad, but oh so true.



It's such a depressingly accurate description of this place.


Truth telling about remote Aboriginal 'culture' is uncomfortable, eh?



What you and the other patrons of god's waiting room are doing here is not Truth Telling, it's distorting and improperly representing selective statistics.

Statistics that, while alarming, are no surprises at all to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of how generational poverty, grief and loss impact on communities. There are no statistics coming out of remote Aboriginal communities that are not mirrored all over the world in cases of similar compound disadvantage.

But absolutely every chance you horrible, horrible people get, you try to make it cultural. And you exert your flaccid superiority over it all.

And not only that! Any thread on First Nation's people, anything at all, you're all in there, regurgitating the same old crap. Broadcasting your ignorance and your bigotry.

And then try to call it Truth Telling.

Idiots.


Nonsense at every level.

These are not selective statistics.

It is cultural, not natural. Otherwise EVERY Aboriginal man would be a violent danger to his wife and and children, every aboriginal mother would neglect her children, every Aboriginal child would be a malnourished delinquent. But this is NOT the case, obviously.

This behaviour is not an inevitable, necessary consequence of disadvantage.



Oh my god you're an idiot.

All over the world, in every situation where there is entrenched poverty , grief and loss, these same statistics are replicated.

It is not cultural. It is sociological. It is, in fact, predictable and inevitable.

As every school boy knows.


A lie. Not even in remote Aboriginal settlements is everyone like that.






Of course not everyone is like that you utter moron. Jesus! How many times do you need to be told?

Such crimes are committed by a MINORITY.

But that minority get all the attention, yes?

You and the rest of the hateful old boomers are on here every day and night bleating about the dysfunction in Aboriginal communities and absolutely crapping all over the threads talking about the successes.

At this point, you're just jokes. You're just the last ones to see it.




So not inevitable, then.
He.

Who let's this minority get away with it for so long? The majority. Why? It has cultural reasons. Every report says that because it is obvious.

Aborigines in remote areas do not mistreat each other because there are whites r Ind iiand or chinese somewhere thousands of kilometres away. That is corrosive excusing of bad behaviour and cultural tolerance of bad behaviour.

When whitey does it, it's the culture of toxic masculinity and sexism. When Aborigines do it, it's poverty, grief and loss.




The statistics are inevitable.

Are you being willfully stupid?
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Reply #34 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:30am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:12am:
The statistics are inevitable.

Are you being willfully stupid?



mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:05am:
it's distorting and improperly representing selective statistics.




Welcome to the Pandaverse!

It's all about poverty, lost, grief, slavery, colonialism and white supremacy.

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Reply #35 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:48am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:30am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:12am:
The statistics are inevitable.

Are you being willfully stupid?



mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 7:05am:
it's distorting and improperly representing selective statistics.




Welcome to the Pandaverse!

It's all about poverty, lost, grief, slavery, colonialism and white supremacy.



Meanwhile, you think the global south all have the same "culture" of backwardness, despite all accumulated evidence pointing to the impacts of colonialism and it's aftermath.

All of it. All of the global south have a cultural penchant for antisocial behaviour. Not a thing to do with endemic poverty and grief and loss. No correlation between loss of opportunity and crime ... or substance abuse ... or family violence.

Tell me Fruitbat, is this your big problem with institutions of academia these days? They've all over the world reached the consensus that colonialism has created massive social disadvantage and antisocial behaviour and you just simply aren't having it?

You maintain that it's all because they're tinted?

Modern learning has left you in the dust and you're sulking. Placating yourself in between tantrums on here with Breitbart and Sky "news". Both designed to soothe and heal.


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Reply #36 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:06am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:48am:
Meanwhile, you think the global south all have the same "culture" of backwardness, despite all accumulated evidence pointing to the impacts of colonialism and it's aftermath.

All of it. All of the global south have a cultural penchant for antisocial behaviour. Not a thing to do with endemic poverty and grief and loss. No correlation between loss of opportunity and crime ... or substance abuse ... or family violence.

Tell me Fruitbat, is this your big problem with institutions of academia these days? They've all over the world reached the consensus that colonialism has created massive social disadvantage and antisocial behaviour and you just simply aren't having it?

You maintain that it's all because they're tinted?

Modern learning has left you in the dust and you're sulking. Placating yourself in between tantrums on here with Breitbart and Sky "news". Both designed to soothe and heal.





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Discourses of defining characteristic

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either accept Marxism or conclude that consciousness may be used to oppress the
underprivileged. Baudrillardist simulacra suggests that sexuality, somewhat
paradoxically, has intrinsic meaning, but only if reality is distinct from
culture; otherwise, we can assume that the significance of the writer is social
comment. Therefore, Lyotard uses the term ‘constructivist deconstruction’ to
denote the role of the participant as artist.

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pretheory. However, a number of discourses concerning the role of the poet as
participant may be revealed.

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narrative, as Baudrillardist simulacra suggests, but subnarrative. But Bailey[11] implies that we have to choose between Marxism and
posttextual materialism.

Sontag’s critique of Baudrillardist hyperreality suggests that academe is
capable of significant form. Therefore, the characteristic theme of Pickett’s[12] model of Baudrillardist simulacra is the bridge between reality and class.
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Reply #37 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:09am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:48am:
colonialism has created massive social disadvantage and antisocial behaviour


Precolonial societies in Australia, the Pacific, Africa and the Americas sorted massive social disadvantages by raiding the territories of the socially and materially privileged tribes, murdering the men and children - in some cultures eating them, capturing the women as victory trophy wives, commandeering their assets and claiming their territories.

Antisocial behaviour was managed by shunning or ritually bashing in their skulls.

Social disadvantage and antisocial behaviour solved.
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Reply #38 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:19am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:09am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:48am:
colonialism has created massive social disadvantage and antisocial behaviour


Precolonial societies in Australia, the Pacific, Africa and the Americas sorted massive social disadvantages by raiding the territories of the socially and materially privileged tribes, murdering the men and children - in some cultures eating them, capturing the women as victory trophy wives, commandeering their assets and claiming their territories.

Antisocial behaviour was managed by shunning or ritually bashing in their skulls.

Social disadvantage and antisocial behaviour solved.



More regurgited poorly understood facts from Ecky.

But hey, just say it with confidence, no?

Sure there was bloodiness and warfarring ... but there was also art, music, spirituality, rich family bonds, deep understanding of the environment, trade, ..etc.

But you just keep on going on about how inferior they all were til we got here. I know it makes you feel better.
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Reply #39 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:20am
 
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Reply #40 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:32am
 
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:19am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:09am:
mothra wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 8:48am:
colonialism has created massive social disadvantage and antisocial behaviour


Precolonial societies in Australia, the Pacific, Africa and the Americas sorted massive social disadvantages by raiding the territories of the socially and materially privileged tribes, murdering the men and children - in some cultures eating them, capturing the women as victory trophy wives, commandeering their assets and claiming their territories.

Antisocial behaviour was managed by shunning or ritually bashing in their skulls.

Social disadvantage and antisocial behaviour solved.



More regurgited poorly understood facts from Ecky.

But hey, just say it with confidence, no?

Sure there was bloodiness and warfarring ... but there was also art, music, spirituality, rich family bonds, deep understanding of the environment, trade, ..etc.

But you just keep on going on about how inferior they all were til we got here. I know it makes you feel better.

Something affluent philanthropists quickly learn is that the quickest way to foment social discord, upheaval and inter-communal violence is to privilege one village/tribe/ethnicity over their neighbours.

Seems we're primally hard-wired to resent the good fortune or advantage of those groups over our own. The same can be witnessed among all high-order primates.
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Reply #41 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:42am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:09am:
Precolonial societies in Australia, the Pacific, Africa and the Americas sorted massive social disadvantages by raiding the territories of the socially and materially privileged tribes, murdering the men and children - in some cultures eating them, capturing the women as victory trophy wives, commandeering their assets and claiming their territories.



Cause there was non of that in the 'colonial countries' back then ehhh Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #42 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:52am
 
John Smith wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:42am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2nd, 2024 at 9:09am:
Precolonial societies in Australia, the Pacific, Africa and the Americas sorted massive social disadvantages by raiding the territories of the socially and materially privileged tribes, murdering the men and children - in some cultures eating them, capturing the women as victory trophy wives, commandeering their assets and claiming their territories.



Cause there was non of that in the 'colonial countries' back then ehhh Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Of course there was!

Think of the Portuguese, Spanish, French, Dutch and English/British going to war with each other over the resources of the new world(s) as they were being discovered...

Think of Elizabeth I of England giving assent to an alliance with pirates and the English against the Spanish in the Americas.

Think of Cortes forming alliances with several Indigenous tribes to conquer the Aztec Empire.

Think of the British forming alliances with several indigenous North American tribes against the French and (as a side act and trade) the Indigenous traditional enemies of the collaborators.

Think of African tribes exploiting other tribes to fuel the transatlantic slave trade.

Think of impoverished Chinese workers' resentment of being used as slave labour to supply us and others with cheap goods.

etc...
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Reply #43 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 10:39am
 
"art, music, spirituality, rich family bonds, deep understanding of the environment, trade," ... doesn't alter the facts....and some of those comments are way over the top - Pascoesque - let's just say 'family bonds', and leave out more than a rudimentary understanding of 'the environment' - they hacked it as they saw fit - it wasn't any great and wonderful plan devised by their witch doctors - not like here...  In Australia, of course, none of those things applied beyond the very basic ... too small a population of small groups to do anything about 'the environment' apart from live in it...

Even the lorikeets here, when they are in receipt of a cut piece of fruit - hop from one piece to another and if one is eating a piece, another bird reckons that piece must be better... same with dogs... if one is chowing down on a good piece the other reckons that piece must be better... so the contest is on.
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Reply #44 - Dec 2nd, 2024 at 10:53am
 
So taking the actual number killed and working it out as a percentage - 94% deaths of women in the NT are Aboriginal - is 'selective use of statistics'?  And the reality that most of those occur in the 'remote areas' does not indicate that such a level of personal violence has any 'cultural roots'?

Were you raised in Fairyland or something?  You never saw how rough even kids can be at school and how ready to turn to physical violence and bullying - including girls - they are to settle any dispute? 

My old German neighbour once said to me that children are born savages and it is our job as parents to civilise them... when a child grows up in an environment where that early stage of 'settling disputes' by force remains the norm - that is what they do.

The Abo bloke here who has the wild eyes etc and hates on 'white counts'  etc - he wasn't picked on at school here or by our locals - he copped his wild eyes and his simmering violence from his 'home life' ..... now I don't know what that tells you - but it tells all sensible people plenty.

It's generational, it's cultural, it has nothing to do with 'oppression' and 'poverty' - the proof is that not all turn out that way... it's not that long ago we here in Australia got out of the idea that all differences are settled by a good punch-up - still persists with some - and that is right across the 'culture'.

Now we are all civilised, no?  So the Outliers need to be re-trained - not coddled in their ways...

Look at that recent murder in the NT - bloke does time for 'manslaughter' for killing 'his woman' - kills another woman..... look at that woman who ran from ultra-violence in a remote community up there, and who was then pursued after the perp got out, and bashed brutally again, leaving lifetime injuries...

WTF is the matter with you - you and a few others who flatly refuse to address the real issues - but try instead to score Brownie points by attacking others who know better than you ever will?
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