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In the 1940s millions of people were displaced, lost all their property and half or all their family then kicked out of their country, suffered mass rape, displacement. There was plenty of poverty, loss and grief, ruin, humiliation, suffering.

But they are not putting their wives in hospital at 40 times the rate of those who didn't suffer the same fate, they are not neglecting their kiddies, get pissed by midday and still blame it on the Nazis or Soviets 80 years later.
They rebuilt their lives, their cities and made a new life for themsel gives, their children and grandchildren, in new countries, new languages, new continents.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 9:52am:



And yet you singled out pre colonial societies

John Smith wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 11:52am:

Well, yes... I was responding to a post about colonisation being the cause of dysfunction within traditional societies living alongside post-colonial ones.

The cause of the dysfunction among Australian Aboriginal communities is not the lack of resources provided by state and federal governments, it's the lack of oversight of how they're spent that is largely at fault.

Contrary to popular public belief in some quarters, Aboriginal societies are not utopias.

The human condition plays out there as it would anywhere else.

There are clan rivalries, resentment, historical feuds within a mob (tribe), personal conflicts, gerontocratic issues over the communities' management, corruption, violence used to settle scores, and nevermind drug and alcohol problems.

Young Aboriginals growing up in these communities quickly learn of the ocean of differences in opportunities and lifestyle between themselves and those who grew up in affluent societies in Australia and who, by that, harbour resentments mirrored everywhere around the world when those disparities become obvious to them.

John Smith wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 12:18pm:



So there is nothing special about Aborigines.

Ta. My sentiments entirely.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 12^th, 2024 at 1:27pm:


Obviously white victims of DV should NOT be consulted, they are only 'qualified' to consider the causes of DV in white families.

But so long as c-o-l pressures on both black and white groups are ignored, any plan will have marginal effectiveness, at best. Most victims of DV have NO IDEA about its causes. 


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A plan to eradicate DV can't be effective if its driven only  by the goal to eradicate DV, it can only be effective if it addresses the CAUSES of DV.

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"Lived experience" of victims is useless for finding solutions, which leaves crime researchers and academics to inform government re courses of action.

But government is signed up to the current neoliberal low tax/small government ideology, hence will persist with maintaining the poverty industry, rather than lifting eveyone out of generational poverty and thereby  removing a major cause of crime.   

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No it won't: she doesn't understand the particular causes (economic and cultural) of high rates of black crime.

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See above; spouting  waffle like that, she will fail.   To prosper you need an above poverty job - how hard is that to understand. 

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See... more waffle - stating the goal without stating the solution.

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No kidding...

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Crap, a Voice won't change outcomes, nor close the gap. Effective macroeconomic management by the government is required to eradicate entrenched poverty.

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Graps asks ...


Yes,  you are always wrong on aboriginal affairs.

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Irrelevant, becaue they are wrong, too.  

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NOW you are approaching what IS relevant....keep working on it...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 1:29pm:
 

Good point. It's well known that differences in wealth within a nation are related to higher crime rates, rather than low incomes per se in an entire nation.   

John Smith wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:01pm:

So why this, then:

First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family, domestic and sexual violence.

Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander women are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die because of family violence.




What are YOU doing to them to make them do this to each other?

John Smith wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:21pm:



Oh? So aboriginal women are beaten so badly by aboriginal men that they are hospitalised 30+ times more often than other women suffering DV -  because of me, thousands of kms away!  But not because of you.