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fact checking the debate
Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:16pm
 
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........   False: Trump claims "millions and millions of people" are "pouring into our country monthly" ...........

..............  Partially true, needs context: Harris claims Trump would enact $4,000 "sales tax" ............

................. Mostly true: Harris claims 16 Nobel laureate economists said Trump's economic plan "would increase inflation" and "invite a recession" by mid-2025 ...........

..............  False:  Trump claims "they had the highest inflation perhaps in the history of our country" ..........

........... False: Trump claims Haitian immigrants are "eating the dogs" and pets in Springfield, Ohio ............

.......... Inconclusive: Harris claims Trump "will sign a national abortion ban" ........

...............  False: Trump claims Walz says "execution after birth" of babies "is okay."  ...........

...............Misleading: Trump claims Harris would end fracking in Pennsylvania "on Day One" ..........

...............  False: Trump claims Harris is busing in and paying people to attend her rallies  ..............

.............  Misleading: Trump claims he has "nothing to do with Project 2025" .................

............ Misleading: Harris claims "we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been vice president."  -  ...........

............  True: Trump "got more votes than any sitting president." But challenger Joe Biden won more. ( I think they did a typo here, Biden got more)  ..........  Mr. Biden received 81,283,501 votes, the most ever cast for a U.S. presidential candidate — and over 7 million more than Trump.      ..........

...............  False: Trump claims "crime in this country is through the roof"  ..........
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https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/trump-harris-abc-debate-fact-check/?intc...
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Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:19pm
 
Kamala had 1 mostly true, 1 partially true, 1 misleading

trump had 7 false, 2 misleading
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Reply #2 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm
 
Karmala did okay, but she should have slammed him on crime numbers, down nearly 20% since Biden came to power.

And why not go for the jugglar on his jail, mental asylum schtick? So easy to disprove: no one has evidence of countries sneaking prisoners and mental patients into America. That's his central theme - she should have rebutted it entirely.

Next debate, she should stop speaking to the audience a la Hillary and go for Trump. She came close, but she needs to stick the blade fully in. We want to see her wipe that chump look off his face, that dumb-arse shrug he does when he's caught out. Trump's had massive crimes like the documents case dismissed. This could be the only chance to hold him to account, and he comes up with krap like Sleepy Joe did worse.

Sleepy Joe, a congressman, gave his office records to the University of Delaware, a facility Trump calls "Chinatown". They weren't classified, they were his records to give. Playing whataboutism with 12,000 top secret government records under federal subpoena, stored in boxes on a ballroom stage, in a club where two Chinese spies have already been arrested and deported, needs to be publicly condemned, as his own Attorney General says.

No other candidate has had such material to work with in a presidential debate, and Karmala's a prosecutor. Sure, some swing voters might want to see her go all gushy, but we want to see some blood.

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Reply #3 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:57pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:16pm:
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............ Misleading: Harris claims "we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I have been vice president."  -  ...........

https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/trump-harris-abc-debate-fact-check/?intc...


Yeah, that one annoyed me.  At first I thought it was a cheeky, yet misleading, round up from 739,000 to 800,000.

But after reading that, I didn't know there was a revision of the data which puts the true number closer to 624,000.

It's still a lot of jobs, but it's too much to call that 800k.

So it is indeed misleading.

I wonder how the usual suspects will want to twist this into their favour though.

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Reply #4 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Next debate


Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance.
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Reply #5 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Next debate


Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance.



ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump!


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Reply #6 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Next debate


Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance.



ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump!




Of course it's rigged...

Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say?

God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time.
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Reply #7 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:06pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Next debate


Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance.



ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump!




Of course it's rigged...

Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say?

God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time.




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what sort of a deluded twat would you be. to think that anyone other then the obsessed are going to

"fact check a debate"  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #9 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:52pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:08pm:
what sort of a deluded twat would you be. to think that anyone other then the obsessed are going to

"fact check a debate"  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


You've lost touch scoot.
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Reply #10 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:53pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Next debate


Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance.



ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump!




Of course it's rigged...

Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say?

God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time.

Knock yourself out, Sad Seer of Objective Reality.  Cheesy


25 Lies Kamala Harris Told In Her Debate Against Trump
https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/11/25-lies-kamala-harris-told-in-her-debate-ag
ainst-trump/


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Reply #11 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 5:20pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Next debate


Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance.



ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump!




Of course it's rigged...

Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say?

God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time.


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Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
Kamala had 1 mostly true, 1 partially true, 1 misleading

trump had 7 false, 2 misleading, 0 answers to questions from moderators

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Reply #13 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 6:52pm
 
Harris never answered even the first question.
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/stor...

DAVID MUIR
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When it comes to the economy, do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?


VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS:
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So, I was raised as a middle-class kid. And I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America. I believe in the ambition, the aspirations, the dreams of the American people. And that is why I imagine and have actually a plan to build what I call an opportunity economy. Because here's the thing. We know that we have a shortage of homes and housing, and the cost of housing is too expensive for far too many people. We know that young families need support to raise their children. And I intend on extending a tax cut for those families of $6,000, which is the largest child tax credit that we have given in a long time. So that those young families can afford to buy a crib, buy a car seat, buy clothes for their children. My passion, one of them, is small businesses. I was actually -- my mother raised my sister and me but there was a woman who helped raise us. We call her our second mother. She was a small business owner. I love our small businesses. My plan is to give a $50,000 tax deduction to start-up small businesses, knowing they are part of the backbone of America's economy. My opponent, on the other hand, his plan is to do what he has done before, which is to provide a tax cut for billionaires and big corporations, which will result in $5 trillion to America's deficit. My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump sales tax, which would be a 20% tax on everyday goods that you rely on to get through the month. Economists have said that Trump's sales tax would actually result for middle-class families in about $4,000 more a year because of his policies and his ideas about what should be the backs of middle-class people paying for tax cuts for billionaires.
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Reply #14 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:06pm
 
Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Karmala did okay, but she should have slammed him on crime numbers, down nearly 20% since Biden came to power.

And why not go for the jugglar on his jail, mental asylum schtick? So easy to disprove: no one has evidence of countries sneaking prisoners and mental patients into America. That's his central theme - she should have rebutted it entirely.

Next debate, she should stop speaking to the audience a la Hillary and go for Trump. She came close, but she needs to stick the blade fully in. We want to see her wipe that chump look off his face, that dumb-arse shrug he does when he's caught out. Trump's had massive crimes like the documents case dismissed. This could be the only chance to hold him to account, and he comes up with krap like Sleepy Joe did worse.

Sleepy Joe, a congressman, gave his office records to the University of Delaware, a facility Trump calls "Chinatown". They weren't classified, they were his records to give. Playing whataboutism with 12,000 top secret government records under federal subpoena, stored in boxes on a ballroom stage, in a club where two Chinese spies have already been arrested and deported, needs to be publicly condemned, as his own Attorney General says.

No other candidate has had such material to work with in a presidential debate, and Karmala's a prosecutor. Sure, some swing voters might want to see her go all gushy, but we want to see some blood.

WITCH HUNT !!!


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Karmala did okay


I think she done a bit better than ok I would go for reasonably good. However the big differential was that Trump was horrible.

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WITCH HUNT !!!


Yes I have to agree that with all the evidence accumulating it does look very much like he is in fact a witch.
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