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Reply #30 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:03pm
 
11. Central Park Five “execution” hoax

Harris claimed that Trump called for the “execution” of the Central Park Five. This is false.

Trump never specifically called for the “execution” of the Central Park Five defendants. Breitbart News fact-checked this claim when Democrats made it at their convention last month.

12. “Suckers and losers” hoax

Harris alluded to the “suckers and losers” hoax by claiming that Trump had disparaged the military, including the fallen. This is false.

The false claim that Trump called dead soldiers “suckers and losers” is a familiar hoax that has also been repeated by President Joe Biden. It stems from a report by the left-wing Atlantic, which has never been directly corroborated, and has been refuted by many eyewitnesses.

13. False fracking claims

Harris claimed she never called to ban fracking. This is false, as she explicitly called to end fracking when running for president in 2019.

14. False oil production claims

Harris claimed that the Biden-Harris administration ramped up oil production. This is false. The Biden-Harris administration has actively worked to curb domestic oil production.

Early in the administration, Biden ordered the secretary of the Interior Department to halt new oil and natural gas leases on public lands and waters, and review existing permits for fossil fuel development. In 2023, the Biden-Harris administration canceled oil leases sold by the Trump administration in the Alaskan wildlife refuge and blocked new drilling.

15. National Sales Tax

Harris accused Trump of proposing a national sales tax. This is false. President Trump has not proposed a national sales tax.

During the debate, Harris referred to a “Trump sales tax” and claimed it would add 20 percent to the cost of goods. She was likely referring to Trump’s proposal to raise tariffs on imports.

But tariffs are paid by companies that import goods from abroad and not by consumers. They are not a sales tax.

16. Distorting unemployment figures

Harris claimed that Trump “left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.” This is false, as unemployment was 6.4 percent in January 2021, not far from full employment, when Trump left office.

17. “I was raised middle-class”

Harris claimed she had a middle-class upbringing, saying, ” I was raised as a middle-class kid, and I am actually the only person on this stage who has a plan that is about lifting up the middle class and working people of America.”

This is mostly false. Harris had a rich Canadian upbringing, growing up in Westmount — a majority English neighborhood in the French province of Quebec.

Amusingly, Harris made her “middle-class” claim while completely dodging the question, “Do you believe Americans are better off than they were four years ago?” — and again, ABC moderators never brought her back on track to the question at hand.

18. “Terminating” the Constitution

Harris claimed that Trump wants to “terminate” the U.S. Constitution. This is false. Trump does not want to “terminate” the Constitution and has refuted this lie himself.

Her claim likely stems from Trump’s reaction in 2022 to a bombshell New York Post report that the Democrat Party colluded with what was then known as Twitter to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution,” Trump said in a 2022 Truth Social post. “This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their HOAXES & SCAMS.”

“What I said was that when there is ‘MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,’ as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG,” Trump added.

19. “Sold us out” to China

Harris claimed that Trump “sold us out” to the Chinese government with policies that “ended up selling American chips to China.” This is false.

The Trump administration blocked the takeover of an American semiconductor maker by a Chinese investor, restricted exports to China’s top chipmaker, and largely limited sales to China and even to third countries who do business with Chinese companies considered a national security threat, such as the telecommunications company Huawei.

In another example of blatant gaslighting, the Biden-Harris administration reportedly started greenlighting third party suppliers to sell chips to Huawei in 2021.

20. “Not one” troop in any war zone

Harris claimed there are currently no active-duty troops in any combat zone anywhere around the world for the first time this century. This is false.

There are currently active duty U.S. troops deployed to Iraq and Syria who have been under frequent attack by Iran-backed militia forces over the past year. There are also thousands of active-duty U.S. sailors deployed to the Middle East who are facing attacks by drone strikes and missiles fired by the Iran-backed Houthi forces in Yemen. Earlier this year, three U.S. soldiers were killed on the border of Syria by Iran-backed forces.

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Reply #31 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:04pm
 
21. Taking guns away

Harris claimed that she and her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) “are not taking anyone’s guns away.” This is false. Harris has campaigned on banning AR-15s and other guns that Democrats label “assault weapons.”

Just last month, during their first campaign event together, Harris and Walz pushed for a ban on AR-15s and other guns.

While ABC’s debate moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir failed to fact-check the plethora of false claims and hoaxes uttered by Harris, they frequently tried to fact-check Trump, with Muir even bizarrely fact-checking a joke the 45th president had previously made.
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Reply #32 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:17pm
 
Mortdooley wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:04pm:
21. Taking guns away

Harris claimed that she and her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) “are not taking anyone’s guns away.” This is false. Harris has campaigned on banning AR-15s and other guns that Democrats label “assault weapons.”

Just last month, during their first campaign event together, Harris and Walz pushed for a ban on AR-15s and other guns.

While ABC’s debate moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir failed to fact-check the plethora of false claims and hoaxes uttered by Harris, they frequently tried to fact-check Trump, with Muir even bizarrely fact-checking a joke the 45th president had previously made.



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MUST WATCH: The last time Kamala ran for President, she told David Muir that she would use executive orders for gun control.

Even Biden was telling her that it wasn't constitutional. She just laughed at him.

https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1833717828890845374



Kamala and Tampon Timmy have both said they don't care for the constitution
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Reply #33 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:18pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:23pm:
https://www.firstpost.com/world/united-states/harris-a-marxist-her-professor-fat...


Who is Kamala Harris’ father?

Harris’ father Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist who has written on Marxist theory.


Donald Harris, now 86, is a retired economics professor at Stanford University who also taught at the Wisconsin-Madison university.


Trump said -

'Harris is a Marxist, her professor father taught her well':
How Trump dismissed rival's economic policies

FP Staff • September 11, 2024


During the US Presidential debate, Donald Trump frequently referred to Kamala Harris as ‘Comrade Kamala’
and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist

During the high-octane US Presidential debate, Republican candidate Donald Trump labelled his rival and Republican nominee Kamala Harris as a “Marxist”.

Trump frequently referred to Harris as “Comrade Kamala” and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist.

“She’s a Marxist. Everybody knows she’s a Marxist.
Her father is a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well,” Trump said of his Democratic rival who laughed it off.


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Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist


Here you shoot yourself in the foot.

If you understood what you posted you would get that a post-keynesian economist is about the opposite to a marxist. His title is dependant on him not being Marxist.
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Reply #34 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:21pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:17pm:
Mortdooley wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:04pm:
21. Taking guns away

Harris claimed that she and her running mate Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) “are not taking anyone’s guns away.” This is false. Harris has campaigned on banning AR-15s and other guns that Democrats label “assault weapons.”

Just last month, during their first campaign event together, Harris and Walz pushed for a ban on AR-15s and other guns.

While ABC’s debate moderators Linsey Davis and David Muir failed to fact-check the plethora of false claims and hoaxes uttered by Harris, they frequently tried to fact-check Trump, with Muir even bizarrely fact-checking a joke the 45th president had previously made.



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MUST WATCH: The last time Kamala ran for President, she told David Muir that she would use executive orders for gun control.

Even Biden was telling her that it wasn't constitutional. She just laughed at him.

https://x.com/mazemoore/status/1833717828890845374



Kamala and Tampon Timmy have both said they don't care for the constitution


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both said they don't care for the constitution


You thinking of Donald right?  He has actually attacked the constitution and breached much of it.
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Reply #35 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:33pm
 
Kamala criticised Trump for talking to the Taliban.

This Black dude will tell you what he said to them  Smiley
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Holy sh*t. This is a must watch 👇🏽
https://x.com/SaraGonzalesTX/status/1833871202705702915


No American soldiers were killed for 18 months after that.

Arse kissing doesn't work with tin pot dictators.

The leftards should realise over 20 years of forcing democracy on muslims doesn't work they don't care for anything that isn't Islamic the Taliban is evidence of this.
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Reply #36 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:35pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:21pm:
You thinking of Donald right?  He has actually attacked the constitution and breached much of it.


The Constitution, the Ten Commandments, no matter how revered or ostensibly sacred they may be, there's nothing Trump won't desecrate or exploit for his own personal advantage, regardless of how much hollow lip service he pays to them.
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Reply #37 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:40pm
 
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This clip may be the most egregious example of ABC debate moderators' direct actions/inactions to affect viewers’ perceptions of the information presented at the debate.

There are at least seven instances of this within a two-minute span.

This is not “bias."

It’s much worse.

This is direct, planned interference in the debate outcome. When moderators take on the role of “fact checkers" the inference is that the absence of a “fact check” confers validity to the non-fact-checked information.

When one side is repeatedly “fact checked,” while the other is not, that is a signal to the viewer that one side is not reliable and truthful, while the other side is.

1) Trump says Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol. True. Muir intervenes on Kamala’s behalf by cutting him off with snarky retort, doesn’t acknowledging the validity of Trump’s statement, and immediately redirects to Kamala to set up her “answer" he knows is coming. This is direct action by Muir to affect the outcome of this exchange.

2) Kamala says she was at the Capitol on J6. She was there in the morning, but left to go to DNC HQ prior to the riot. Critical information is omitted. No fact-check.

3) Kamala says Trump incited a mob to attack the Capitol. False. Trump’s “peacefully and patriotically” comments are ignored. Trump is not charged with inciting violence. No fact check.

4) Kamala says that “some" police officers died on January 6. False. No fact check.

5) Kamala recites the Charlottesville “Fine People” hoax. This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. No fact check.

6) Kamala recites the “stand back and stand by” hoax. This is designed to infer that Trump was ordering a “militia” to act on later orders, when he was clearly asking for a cooling of tensions. No fact check.

7) Kamala recites the “bloodbath" hoax. Trump was talking about the automobile industry, not violence. No fact check.

To quote Megyn Kelly on the ABC moderators:

"They did exactly what their bosses wanted."


https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1833869730735603919



That was just a 2 minute span Kamala told heaps of lies that weren't fact checked.
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Reply #38 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:46pm
 
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Reply #39 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:53pm
 
Quote:
SHOCK VIDEO:  Woman calls clinic in Maryland asking for an abortion at 34 weeks.

Clinic AGREES and explains how they stop the babies  heartbeat.

This is SICK and once again proves Kamala lied, and ABC ran cover.

https://x.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1833966129586602365




The moderator last night insinuated that doesn’t happen and Kamala Harris scoffed at the notion of an abortion in the 7th or 8th month!

34 weeks is 8 1/2 months a bit late to think about having an abortion.

Another lie the moderators covered for Kamala instead of fact checking.

Abortion is now a state issue Trump cannot make a federal law outlawing it Kamala told another whopper with that.
If Trump could outlaw it at federal level then the democrats could have enshrined the right to one at federal level yet they didn't do it.

In Australia we generally don't do them after 12 weeks.
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Reply #40 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:53pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:40pm:
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This clip may be the most egregious example of ABC debate moderators' direct actions/inactions to affect viewers’ perceptions of the information presented at the debate.

There are at least seven instances of this within a two-minute span.

This is not “bias."

It’s much worse.

This is direct, planned interference in the debate outcome. When moderators take on the role of “fact checkers" the inference is that the absence of a “fact check” confers validity to the non-fact-checked information.

When one side is repeatedly “fact checked,” while the other is not, that is a signal to the viewer that one side is not reliable and truthful, while the other side is.

1) Trump says Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol. True. Muir intervenes on Kamala’s behalf by cutting him off with snarky retort, doesn’t acknowledging the validity of Trump’s statement, and immediately redirects to Kamala to set up her “answer" he knows is coming. This is direct action by Muir to affect the outcome of this exchange.

2) Kamala says she was at the Capitol on J6. She was there in the morning, but left to go to DNC HQ prior to the riot. Critical information is omitted. No fact-check.

3) Kamala says Trump incited a mob to attack the Capitol. False. Trump’s “peacefully and patriotically” comments are ignored. Trump is not charged with inciting violence. No fact check.

4) Kamala says that “some" police officers died on January 6. False. No fact check.

5) Kamala recites the Charlottesville “Fine People” hoax. This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. No fact check.

6) Kamala recites the “stand back and stand by” hoax. This is designed to infer that Trump was ordering a “militia” to act on later orders, when he was clearly asking for a cooling of tensions. No fact check.

7) Kamala recites the “bloodbath" hoax. Trump was talking about the automobile industry, not violence. No fact check.

To quote Megyn Kelly on the ABC moderators:

"They did exactly what their bosses wanted."


https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1833869730735603919



That was just a 2 minute span Kamala told heaps of lies that weren't fact checked.


MAGA tears really are salty, but oh so delicious.
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Reply #41 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:55pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:53pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:40pm:
Quote:
This clip may be the most egregious example of ABC debate moderators' direct actions/inactions to affect viewers’ perceptions of the information presented at the debate.

There are at least seven instances of this within a two-minute span.

This is not “bias."

It’s much worse.

This is direct, planned interference in the debate outcome. When moderators take on the role of “fact checkers" the inference is that the absence of a “fact check” confers validity to the non-fact-checked information.

When one side is repeatedly “fact checked,” while the other is not, that is a signal to the viewer that one side is not reliable and truthful, while the other side is.

1) Trump says Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol. True. Muir intervenes on Kamala’s behalf by cutting him off with snarky retort, doesn’t acknowledging the validity of Trump’s statement, and immediately redirects to Kamala to set up her “answer" he knows is coming. This is direct action by Muir to affect the outcome of this exchange.

2) Kamala says she was at the Capitol on J6. She was there in the morning, but left to go to DNC HQ prior to the riot. Critical information is omitted. No fact-check.

3) Kamala says Trump incited a mob to attack the Capitol. False. Trump’s “peacefully and patriotically” comments are ignored. Trump is not charged with inciting violence. No fact check.

4) Kamala says that “some" police officers died on January 6. False. No fact check.

5) Kamala recites the Charlottesville “Fine People” hoax. This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. No fact check.

6) Kamala recites the “stand back and stand by” hoax. This is designed to infer that Trump was ordering a “militia” to act on later orders, when he was clearly asking for a cooling of tensions. No fact check.

7) Kamala recites the “bloodbath" hoax. Trump was talking about the automobile industry, not violence. No fact check.

To quote Megyn Kelly on the ABC moderators:

"They did exactly what their bosses wanted."


https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1833869730735603919



That was just a 2 minute span Kamala told heaps of lies that weren't fact checked.


MAGA tears really are salty, but oh so delicious.

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Reply #42 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:56pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:55pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:53pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:40pm:
Quote:
This clip may be the most egregious example of ABC debate moderators' direct actions/inactions to affect viewers’ perceptions of the information presented at the debate.

There are at least seven instances of this within a two-minute span.

This is not “bias."

It’s much worse.

This is direct, planned interference in the debate outcome. When moderators take on the role of “fact checkers" the inference is that the absence of a “fact check” confers validity to the non-fact-checked information.

When one side is repeatedly “fact checked,” while the other is not, that is a signal to the viewer that one side is not reliable and truthful, while the other side is.

1) Trump says Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol. True. Muir intervenes on Kamala’s behalf by cutting him off with snarky retort, doesn’t acknowledging the validity of Trump’s statement, and immediately redirects to Kamala to set up her “answer" he knows is coming. This is direct action by Muir to affect the outcome of this exchange.

2) Kamala says she was at the Capitol on J6. She was there in the morning, but left to go to DNC HQ prior to the riot. Critical information is omitted. No fact-check.

3) Kamala says Trump incited a mob to attack the Capitol. False. Trump’s “peacefully and patriotically” comments are ignored. Trump is not charged with inciting violence. No fact check.

4) Kamala says that “some" police officers died on January 6. False. No fact check.

5) Kamala recites the Charlottesville “Fine People” hoax. This has been thoroughly and repeatedly debunked. No fact check.

6) Kamala recites the “stand back and stand by” hoax. This is designed to infer that Trump was ordering a “militia” to act on later orders, when he was clearly asking for a cooling of tensions. No fact check.

7) Kamala recites the “bloodbath" hoax. Trump was talking about the automobile industry, not violence. No fact check.

To quote Megyn Kelly on the ABC moderators:

"They did exactly what their bosses wanted."


https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1833869730735603919



That was just a 2 minute span Kamala told heaps of lies that weren't fact checked.


MAGA tears really are salty, but oh so delicious.



Newsmax.... Hahaha the cope...
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Reply #43 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 11:34pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 9:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:23pm:
https://www.firstpost.com/world/united-states/harris-a-marxist-her-professor-fat...


Who is Kamala Harris’ father?

Harris’ father Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist who has written on Marxist theory.


Donald Harris, now 86, is a retired economics professor at Stanford University who also taught at the Wisconsin-Madison university.


Trump said -

'Harris is a Marxist, her professor father taught her well':
How Trump dismissed rival's economic policies

FP Staff • September 11, 2024


During the US Presidential debate, Donald Trump frequently referred to Kamala Harris as ‘Comrade Kamala’
and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist

During the high-octane US Presidential debate, Republican candidate Donald Trump labelled his rival and Republican nominee Kamala Harris as a “Marxist”.

Trump frequently referred to Harris as “Comrade Kamala” and labelled her as a socialist, Marxist, and fascist.

“She’s a Marxist. Everybody knows she’s a Marxist.
Her father is a Marxist professor in economics, and he taught her well,” Trump said of his Democratic rival who laughed it off.


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Donald Harris is a post-keynesian economist


Here you shoot yourself in the foot.

If you understood what you posted you would get that a post-keynesian economist is about the opposite to a marxist. His title is dependant on him not being Marxist.



But he has written on Marxist theory.    Embarrassed

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Reply #44 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 4:29pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:31pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:21pm:
Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:53pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:58pm:
Karnal wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 3:53pm:
Next debate


Unless Trump has enough Yes men around him to continue the joke that he won, to the point even he starts to believe it, he won't face her again, not after his dumpster fire performance.



ABC Faces Major Backlash for Rigging Debate Against Trump!




Of course it's rigged...

Why is it that everything is rigged against Trump, but when those making the claim are asked to put up evidence of it, it's all conspiracies and when they're asked to do it under oath they have nothing to say?

God it must be so hard being on that side of politics and being such a loser every single time.

Knock yourself out, Sad Seer of Objective Reality.  Cheesy


25 Lies Kamala Harris Told In Her Debate Against Trump
https://thefederalist.com/2024/09/11/25-lies-kamala-harris-told-in-her-debate-ag
ainst-trump/




You didn't post any fact checks, dear boy, but guess who:

The Federalist, brought to you by the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025.

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During the COVID-19 pandemic, The Federalist published many pieces that contained false information, pseudoscience, and contradictions or misrepresentations of the recommendations of public health authorities.[5][6][7] While ballots were being counted in the 2020 United States presidential election, The Federalist made false claims that there had been large-scale election fraud.[8][9]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Federalist_(website)

Ve musst belif vat ze Daily Beast and Reuters say! Oh, ja?
Not our lying eyez! Oh, nein!






You didn't even bother to post the content of your silly little link, dear.

If you did, people would get to read ridiculous tit for tat "facts" they posted such as your DL's own lies.

Lie: Karmala says foreign governments aren't emptying out their jails, mental hospitals and mental asylums.

Truth: DL said they are.

I actually do think Karmala snuck a couple of howlers in. Your fake news doesn't even mention them.
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