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Elderly Australians to pay more in aged care
Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:16pm
 
Wow! $750,000 for a room in aged care.  Shocked Looks like I'll die at home instead.

Elderly Australians to pay more under aged care deal struck by government

By political reporters Evelyn Manfield, Jake Evans and Tom Crowley

In short:
New aged care entrants will make larger means-tested contributions in a "once in a generation" reform.

Under the reforms, three in ten full pensioners and seven in ten part pensioners entering residential care will be required to make greater contributions.

What's next?
The reforms already have the support of the Coalition, after months of back-room negotiations, but they will be interrogated through a senate inquiry.

A deal to reform aged care has been struck between the federal government and the Coalition, including new requirements for many elderly people to pay more for their own care.

The reforms will mean new entrants will have to make larger means-tested contributions to their care — but a "no worse off" principle means the contributions of anyone already in the aged care system will remain unchanged.

In residential aged care, new entrants will pay a supplement if they have more than $238,000 in assets, $95,400 in annual income or a combination of the two — but the treatment of the family home will remain unchanged.

The price of rooms in residential facilities will be increased, with providers able to charge up to $750,000 for a room without seeking special approval, an increase of $200,000 above the current limit; that price will also be indexed over time.

And residential aged care providers will be able to retain 2 per cent of accommodation deposits from residents per year for five years, with almost half of providers currently making a loss from accommodation.

Three-in-ten new entrants receiving a full pension and seven-in-ten receiving a part pension would be required to make greater contributions under the reforms, with fee structures targeted at higher means residents.

New home care scheme to help 300,000 more Australians
For home care, a new Support at Home program will take effect from July next year, which the federal government says will benefit hundreds of thousands more Australians over the next decade.

The reworked program will provide support for nursing care, occupational therapy, supports like help with showering or taking medications, and everyday living like cleaning and gardening, as the government aims to help more people stay in their homes for longer.

Those packages will also be subject to greater means testing, which will vary depending on individual circumstances.

Full pensioners will pay 5 per cent of the cost of their supports, and 17.5 per cent of their everyday living costs.

Self-funded retirees will pay 80 per cent of their everyday living costs, and half of costs that go to supporting their independence.

All residents will have their clinical care costs completely covered.

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Anthony Albanese, Anika Wells and Jim Chalmers announced reforms to the aged care sector they described as "once in a generation". (ABC News: Adam Kennedy)

The government also proposes to lift the lifetime cap on how much an individual can pay for non-clinical care costs from around $80,000 to $130,000 across home and residential care.

Aged Care Minister Anika Wells said the new scheme would provide support for 300,000 more Australians to receive care at home, and reduce wait times for entry into the scheme.

The reforms already have the support of the Coalition, who have been in back-room negotiations with the government for months.

$12.6 billion in savings over 11 years
The federal government will save $12.6 billion over the 11 years from the reforms, which will include a "no worse off principle", meaning no person already in aged care will have to make a greater contribution to their care.

It will remain the primary funder of aged care, contributing $3.30 for every $1 contributed by residential care recipients and $7.80 for every $1 contributed by home care recipients.

Overall the reforms will reduce the share the government contributes to residential care by 3 per cent, to 73 per cent, and its share of home care costs by 6 per cent, to 89 per cent of sector costs.

And while the government will save billions over the decade, its reform will require an increase of spending of $930 million over the coming four years.

That money will help to enshrine new laws to protect the rights of older Australians, including stronger investigative powers, a new complaints commissioner and greater obligations to hold providers and people in leadership positions accountable.

"Our reforms will create better and safer care, [and] help reduce the fear of a system that has been neglected for far too long," Ms Wells said.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese described the reforms as the "greatest improvement to aged care in 30 years".

"This is about caring for the generation that cared for us," Mr Albanese said.

"Reforms like this don't happen every day, they are once in a generation."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-12/elderly-australians-pay-aged-care-deal/10...

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Re: Elderly Australians to pay more in aged care
Reply #1 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:17pm
 
Shadow Minister for Aged Care Anne Ruston said the opposition welcomed the bill being introduced in parliament after lengthy negotiations.

"We remain disappointed by the lack of transparency that has been shown by the government through this process, with conversations forced to occur behind closed doors," she said.

"We look forward to now having an open conversation with older Australians and the aged care sector about the government's proposed reforms."

The royal commission into aged care recommended an Aged Care Act when it handed down its report more than three years ago.

The federal government had already moved on several other recommendations of the royal commission, including requirements for all facilities to have a registered nurse on duty at all times, and improvements to the rules governing providers.

But the future of how it would pay for aged care, the fourth largest government expense at a cost of about $32 billion last financial year, remained uncertain.

Only payments to the states and territories, pensioner payments and the National Disability Insurance Scheme rank as greater expenses, with aged care similar to the NDIS growing in cost well above the rate of economic growth.

The reforms are expected to slow the growing cost of aged care from rising at a rate of 5.7 per cent each year to 5.2 per cent.

The Older Persons Advocacy Network welcomed the reform deal as a package that could ensure high quality care and financial viability for the sector.

"The new Aged Care Act has the potential to enhance quality standards, increase protections for older people, and create a financially sustainable aged care system for future generations," its CEO Craig Gear said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-12/elderly-australians-pay-aged-care-deal/10...


BTW, I'd vote for Anika Wells as PM - She can put her slippers under my bed any time.   Wink
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Re: Elderly Australians to pay more in aged care
Reply #2 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:25pm
 
They'll take your house off you - sell it and pocket the money
then serve you this for Xmas dinner:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-26/nursing-home-condemned-for-christmas-mash...


Christmas meal 'slop' prompts outrage after being served to Adelaide nursing home residents
By Daniel Keane, staff

    Topic:Diet and Nutrition

Thu 26 Dec 2019

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Reply #3 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:29pm
 
So those with money will have to pay more for their care so as to enable more of those without the savings to be accomodated

Sounds good to me.
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Reply #4 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:29pm
 
"Elderly Australians to pay more in aged care"

I'm sure aquascoot will be thrilled with this news.

Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:17pm:
BTW, I'd vote for Anika Wells as PM - She can put her slippers under my bed any time.   Wink


No thanks... I'll pass on that... especially seeing as she apparently doesn't care and doesn't lift a finger to try and prevent all of the Covid deaths in aged care (865 so far this year).

And not a single word of condolence for any of the families.

I'm hoping the 'Covid Karma Bus' is going to catch up with Wells, Albanese and most of our pollies before too much longer.
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Reply #5 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:31pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:29pm:
So those with money will have to pay more for their care so as to enable more of those without the savings to be accomodated

Sounds good to me.



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are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?

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Reply #6 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:57pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:29pm:
So those with money will have to pay more for their care so as to enable more of those without the savings to be accomodated

Sounds good to me.



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Yes he has and still is Cheesy LOL
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Reply #7 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:59pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:29pm:
So those with money will have to pay more for their care so as to enable more of those without the savings to be accomodated

Sounds good to me.



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It's so sad to see how determined you are to prove your stupidity each and every day.
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Re: Elderly Australians to pay more in aged care
Reply #8 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 5:07pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:29pm:
So those with money will have to pay more for their care so as to enable more of those without the savings to be accomodated

Sounds good to me.



Hi John,
are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?




It's so sad to see how determined you are to prove your stupidity each and every day.



I can spot a Marxist easily.

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Reply #9 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 5:23pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 5:07pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:59pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:36pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:29pm:
So those with money will have to pay more for their care so as to enable more of those without the savings to be accomodated

Sounds good to me.



Hi John,
are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?




It's so sad to see how determined you are to prove your stupidity each and every day.



I can spot a Marxist easily.




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Reply #10 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:14pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 4:17pm:
The Older Persons Advocacy Network welcomed the reform deal as a package that could ensure high quality care and financial viability for the sector.

"The new Aged Care Act has the potential to enhance quality standards, increase protections for older people, and create a financially sustainable aged care system for future generations," its CEO Craig Gear said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-12/elderly-australians-pay-aged-care-deal/10...


So the oldies are on board.

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Reply #11 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:49pm
 
Frank,
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So the oldies are on board.


Really - so someone who pissed their money against the wall and
put the rest through the pokies will benefit from
someone else who went without and saved and invested their money?

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Reply #12 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:42pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:49pm:
Frank,
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So the oldies are on board.


Really - so someone who pissed their money against the wall and
put the rest through the pokies will benefit from
someone else who went without and saved and invested their money?


I agree. Bring back workhouses for the destitute.

If you can't pay your way then earn your way.


It is happening already, anyway.
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Reply #13 - Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:54pm
 
Frank wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 8:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Sep 12th, 2024 at 7:49pm:
Frank,
Quote:
So the oldies are on board.


Really - so someone who pissed their money against the wall and
put the rest through the pokies will benefit from
someone else who went without and saved and invested their money?


I agree. Bring back workhouses for the destitute.

If you can't pay your way then earn your way.


It is happening already, anyway.



Part of the problem is the Govt. monetary policy.

When you pay tax they don't take a percentage of it and invest it for you
in some way and then pay it back out of that when you're old -
they spend it all as part of consolidated revenue and borrow a hell of a lot more.

That means there is no money for pensions and aged care -
they simply create Govt. Bonds and the Reserve bank - the RBA - prints money to buy them.
That puts us all into debt and causes high inflation
destroying people's savings so that even
if you did save money it is mostly gone from inflation.
It's a form of tax on your savings -
an indirect tax but still a tax.

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Reply #14 - Sep 13th, 2024 at 6:54am
 
after seeing what my parents went through (mum was poor and dad was rich but the treatment was the same) im an actually a bit scared what will happen to me when i reach that age because of my alpha-gal. I think they will kill me quick smart.

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