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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11649 armidale Gender:	Re: Free Speech More Myth Than Reality. Reply #45 - Sep 14^th, 2024 at 9:17pm Frank and I don't know. Who knows?
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16616 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Free Speech More Myth Than Reality. Reply #46 - Sep 14^th, 2024 at 9:28pm chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 9:17pm: Frank and I don't know. Who knows? In that case, we wait for the know it alls. Brian, Mothra, Sad Kangy and Gregg might know.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 84850 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Free Speech More Myth Than Reality. Reply #47 - Sep 14^th, 2024 at 9:47pm coughs Aboriginal Mathematics - promoted by a 3rd Cousin (again)....FFS.. something in those family genes. That string is a 'length' long!! Damn your eyes!
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46712 Gender:	Re: Free Speech More Myth Than Reality. Reply #48 - Sep 14^th, 2024 at 11:07pm chimera wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 9:17pm: Frank and I don't know. Who knows? I am not on your side in this.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11649 armidale Gender:	Re: Free Speech More Myth Than Reality. Reply #49 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 9:43am My side is 'what is the definition of mass rape'?
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Reply #50 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 10:39am

chimera wrote on Sep 15^th, 2024 at 9:43am:

My side is 'what is the definition of mass rape'?

What is your understanding of it? Is this a game of Humpty Dumpty - 'words mean what I want them to mean?

Do you also need a definition of 'woman's, 'marriage and what the meaning of 'Is' is, a la Slick Willy?

The hoof is showing when people start wondering what the meaning and definition of ordinary words are. You know then that they are not honest.

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Reply #51 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 12:47pm

well according to wiki... Wink

Under mass sexual assault

" At least one eyewitness, who was working as a volunteer at the event, reported to The Washington Post that he had seen a woman who was crowd surfing pulled down into the mosh pit and raped by five men."

"In January 2018 an 8-year-old girl, Asifa Bano, was gang raped by six men and a juvenile in the Rasana village near Kathua in Indian-administered Kashmir."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_sexual_assault

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Reply #52 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 2:23pm

Frank wrote on Sep 15^th, 2024 at 10:39am:

Do you also need a definition of 'woman's, 'marriage and what the meaning of 'Is' is, a la Slick Willy?

No because they are definable. 'Mass' is a poetic term without parameters. It's emotional to promote an imaginative reaction.
There is mass vaccination in Gaza related to the population. 'Mass rape' in Israel carries a similar concept when the facts are not definite.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11649 armidale Gender:	Re: Free Speech More Myth Than Reality. Reply #53 - Sep 15^th, 2024 at 7:27pm Frank, What have you found so far? Here is some evidence: The Al Jazeera I-Unit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_Investigates I-Unit investigation: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/21/october-7-forensic-analysis-shows-hamas...
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Reply #54 - Sep 16^th, 2024 at 9:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 13^th, 2024 at 6:40pm:

Australians have never had a right to Freedom of Speech. The best they have had is an implied right in it's constituion as found by the High Court in the early 1990s. They have enjoyed Freedom of Speech only since the 1970s. Before that they were subject to censorship, severe censorship. Don Chipp ended that, though.

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 16^th, 2024 at 2:16pm:

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Reply #55 - Sep 17^th, 2024 at 6:55am

I wish people could this into their HEADS !

1. Australia has NO guarantee of freedom of speech - nor a
Bill of Rights

Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US - along with most of the rest of the world, DO

2. Australia does NOT have a

treaty

with its indigenous people, so technically,
white Australia is still at WAR with indigenous Australia.

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Reply #56 - Sep 17^th, 2024 at 7:41am

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

How making statements that are demonstrably false can be anything other than a serious breach of the university’s requirement that academics respect the “highest ethical, professional and legal standards” is a mystery.

Free speech is contractually rejected by unis in teaching. There needs to be a rigour of facts. The standard for maths is different from poetry where the base is low. Poetic 'mass' rape can mean any number and so an excessive 'mass' number above reality can fairly be called 'fake news'. This is within uni standards and ought to be allowed as free speech.

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Reply #57 - Sep 17^th, 2024 at 9:40am

buzzanddidj wrote on Sep 17^th, 2024 at 6:55am:

I wish people could this into their HEADS !

1. Australia has NO guarantee of freedom of speech - nor a
Bill of Rights

Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US - along with most of the rest of the world, DO

2. Australia does NOT have a

treaty

with its indigenous people, so technically,
white Australia is still at WAR with indigenous Australia.

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There are no such warring entities as 'white Australia' and 'indigineaus Australia'. Half of the population was born overseas or have at least one parent who was. Increasingly they are not white either.

As for the bill of rights, that is a French invention. We still operate much more with the common law system of custom and precedent. The UK doesn't even have a single written document called the 'constitution. We do but only because of federation.

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Reply #58 - Sep 17^th, 2024 at 9:44am

chimera wrote on Sep 17^th, 2024 at 7:41am:

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

How making statements that are demonstrably false can be anything other than a serious breach of the university’s requirement that academics respect the “highest ethical, professional and legal standards” is a mystery.

Free speech is contractually rejected by unis in teaching. There needs to be a rigour of facts. The standard for maths is different from poetry where the base is low. Poetic 'mass' rape can mean any number and so an excessive 'mass' number above reality can fairly be called 'fake news'. This is within uni standards and ought to be allowed as free speech.

Sujatha Fernandes is a Professor of Sociology at the University of Sydney.
Not of Poetry.

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Reply #59 - Sep 17^th, 2024 at 11:00am

I wrote poetry with a small p, her words were poetic rather than mathematical. If she had said 'no rapes' or 'most of Jewish women in Israel' that would be demonstrably false. There's also a question, was she teaching the comment to uni students as a fact of current news or was it in the pub? The word 'mass' carries a sense of majority not minority. Do you say the majority of women were raped in the area of attack, a minority or you don't know enough to say how many?

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