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Reply #15 - Sep 16th, 2024 at 9:58am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 9:46am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 9:33am:
See, you're using the term "patriot" all wrong. A true patriot is a person who loves their country and wants to see it prosper no matter who the leader is. Patriotism doesn't extend only to a certain person being in the White House.


And yet YOU  care very much about who the leader of the country is.
Why? Because it matters.
So your little head- tilt of "no matter who the leader is" is fake and totally insincere.

For example, it does matter if the leader opens the border to millions of illegals because they change the country.


Who opened the border?
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Reply #16 - Sep 16th, 2024 at 10:01am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 9:46am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 9:33am:
See, you're using the term "patriot" all wrong. A true patriot is a person who loves their country and wants to see it prosper no matter who the leader is. Patriotism doesn't extend only to a certain person being in the White House.


And yet YOU  care very much about who the leader of the country is.
Why? Because it matters.
So your little head- tilt of "no matter who the leader is" is fake and totally insincere.

For example, it does matter if the leader opens the border to millions of illegals because they change the country.



Christ on a bike you're a clapped out one trick pony.
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Reply #17 - Sep 16th, 2024 at 10:45am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 9:58am:
Frank wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 9:46am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 16th, 2024 at 9:33am:
See, you're using the term "patriot" all wrong. A true patriot is a person who loves their country and wants to see it prosper no matter who the leader is. Patriotism doesn't extend only to a certain person being in the White House.


And yet YOU  care very much about who the leader of the country is.
Why? Because it matters.
So your little head- tilt of "no matter who the leader is" is fake and totally insincere.

For example, it does matter if the leader opens the border to millions of illegals because they change the country.


Who opened the border?

Obama:
See Figure 3.

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https://cis.org/Report/Estimating-Illegal-Immigrant-Population-Using-Current-Pop...
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Reply #18 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 9:27am
 
Bareface, deranged Democrat lies

Consider just a couple of examples. In the debate, Harris claimed that Trump had said that if the presidential election went against him, there would be a “bloodbath”. Any normal person hearing this would assume Harris was telling the truth and that Trump had threatened bloodshed and killings if he lost the election. In fact Trump said there would be a bloodbath in the auto industry if the Democratic candidate were elected president, partly because of electric vehicle mandates.

So Harris is not only telling a barefaced lie about Trump, she is telling the kind of lie that elevates Trump from the ranks of a bombastic and complicated politician to a kind of Adolf Hitler-like threat to American democracy itself.

Indeed, the Democratic National Convention heard that Trump was the greatest threat to US democracy in its history.

Harris also claimed in the debate that Trump had described neo-Nazi demonstrators in Charlottesville as “very fine people”. In fact, Trump explicitly condemned the neo-Nazis but said that on both sides of the demonstrations – related to controversy over statues of Civil War era leaders in the south – there were very fine people.

Again, in this claim Harris has dishonestly alleged that Trump supports neo-Nazis. Trump does many dishonourable things that rightly deserve criticism. He has not, however, as Harris claims, supported neo-Nazis, or called for mass killings if he should lose the election. So these wild and untrue allegations about Trump contribute to a fever pitch of hostility, anger and public derangement.

This kind of response characterised the Democrats all through the Trump presidency. Remember the Russia collusion hoax, which held that the Trump campaign had illegally colluded with Russia, and that Moscow played a role in Trump winning the 2016 election. Our own ABC devoted vast taxpayer-funded resources to propagating this utterly mythical hoax. And it never subsequently properly acknowledged that its journalism in that case was mistaken.
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The media is failing US politics as well. The US budget deficit this year will be $US2 trillion. Interest payments are already bigger than the defence budget. Yet none of the debate moderators thought this subject worth raising.

In many ways Trump is unattractive, but his courage in the face of all the threats against him is highly laudable. So is his desire to keep mixing with the public, keep doing big rallies. The Biden administration should not force Trump indoors for his own safety, which would diminish US democracy. It should instead give him the same level of Secret Service protection as the President himself enjoys. For all his failings, Trump’s personal courage is a significant asset for US democracy
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Reply #19 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 9:35am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2024 at 9:27am:
...Trump’s personal courage ...


Lol    Grin

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Reply #20 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:25am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2024 at 9:27am:
Bareface, deranged Democrat lies

Consider just a couple of examples. In the debate, Harris claimed that Trump had said that if the presidential election went against him, there would be a “bloodbath”. Any normal person hearing this would assume Harris was telling the truth and that Trump had threatened bloodshed and killings if he lost the election. In fact Trump said there would be a bloodbath in the auto industry if the Democratic candidate were elected president, partly because of electric vehicle mandates.

So Harris is not only telling a barefaced lie about Trump, she is telling the kind of lie that elevates Trump from the ranks of a bombastic and complicated politician to a kind of Adolf Hitler-like threat to American democracy itself.

Indeed, the Democratic National Convention heard that Trump was the greatest threat to US democracy in its history.

Harris also claimed in the debate that Trump had described neo-Nazi demonstrators in Charlottesville as “very fine people”. In fact, Trump explicitly condemned the neo-Nazis but said that on both sides of the demonstrations – related to controversy over statues of Civil War era leaders in the south – there were very fine people.

Again, in this claim Harris has dishonestly alleged that Trump supports neo-Nazis. Trump does many dishonourable things that rightly deserve criticism. He has not, however, as Harris claims, supported neo-Nazis, or called for mass killings if he should lose the election. So these wild and untrue allegations about Trump contribute to a fever pitch of hostility, anger and public derangement.

This kind of response characterised the Democrats all through the Trump presidency. Remember the Russia collusion hoax, which held that the Trump campaign had illegally colluded with Russia, and that Moscow played a role in Trump winning the 2016 election. Our own ABC devoted vast taxpayer-funded resources to propagating this utterly mythical hoax. And it never subsequently properly acknowledged that its journalism in that case was mistaken.
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The media is failing US politics as well. The US budget deficit this year will be $US2 trillion. Interest payments are already bigger than the defence budget. Yet none of the debate moderators thought this subject worth raising.

In many ways Trump is unattractive, but his courage in the face of all the threats against him is highly laudable. So is his desire to keep mixing with the public, keep doing big rallies. The Biden administration should not force Trump indoors for his own safety, which would diminish US democracy. It should instead give him the same level of Secret Service protection as the President himself enjoys. For all his failings, Trump’s personal courage is a significant asset for US democracy
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An assassination attempt by a radical supporter of Ukraine occurred less than a week after Vice President Kamala Harris lied that former President Donald Trump had told Russian President Vladimir Putin to invade Ukraine.

Harris said during the debate with Trump:

It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one according to himself. It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine. It is well known he said that when Russia went into Ukraine it was brilliant.

Despite this not being true, ABC News moderator Linsey Davis responded, “Vice President Harris, thank you.”

This lie has been repeated many times, by President Joe Biden and other Democrats, and again, most recently by Harris on the debate stage.

Ryan Wesley Routh, 58, the man suspected of attempting an assassination of Trump on Sunday was such a fervent supporter of Ukraine. Routh went to Ukraine in 2022 wanting to fight but was rejected due to his age and lack of military experience, according to reports.
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Reply #21 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:44am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2024 at 9:27am:
Bareface, deranged Democrat lies

Consider just a couple of examples. In the debate, Harris claimed that Trump had said that if the presidential election went against him, there would be a “bloodbath”.


There was last time.  6 people died because Trump refused to accept the election result.

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Any normal person hearing this would assume Harris was telling the truth and that Trump had threatened bloodshed and killings if he lost the election. In fact Trump said there would be a bloodbath in the auto industry if the Democratic candidate were elected president, partly because of electric vehicle mandates.

So Harris is not only telling a barefaced lie about Trump, she is telling the kind of lie that elevates Trump from the ranks of a bombastic and complicated politician to a kind of Adolf Hitler-like threat to American democracy itself.


Again, there was last time he lost and refused to accept the result.  He's already saying it's rigged now...

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Indeed, the Democratic National Convention heard that Trump was the greatest threat to US democracy in its history.


Again, he's already saying it's rigged.  He's trying to make it hard for elligable voters to cast their vote.

The last time he lost, he incited a riot on the capitol that lead to 6 people dying, to try and prevent the democratic vote confirming Biden as the next president.

Literal textbook definition of a threat to democracy.

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Harris also claimed in the debate that Trump had described neo-Nazi demonstrators in Charlottesville as “very fine people”.


He did.  Fact.

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In fact, Trump explicitly condemned the neo-Nazis but said that on both sides of the demonstrations – related to controversy over statues of Civil War era leaders in the south – there were very fine people.


Donald Trump's "very fine people on both sides" comment came in the context of the violent events in Charlottesville, Virginia, on August 11-12, 2017.

The situation escalated when white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups, including the Ku Klux Klan, held a "Unite the Right" rally to protest the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Counter-protesters, including civil rights groups, clashed with the rally participants, leading to violence and the tragic death of a counter-protester, Heather Heyer.

In a press conference on August 15, 2017, Trump said:

"You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides... You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

So he did describe neo-Nazi demonstrators in Charlottesville as “very fine people”.

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Again, in this claim Harris has dishonestly alleged that Trump supports neo-Nazis. Trump does many dishonourable things that rightly deserve criticism. He has not, however, as Harris claims, supported neo-Nazis, or called for mass killings if he should lose the election. So these wild and untrue allegations about Trump contribute to a fever pitch of hostility, anger and public derangement.


He merely amplifies their talking points on a national stage, presenting them as truths despite the absence of any supporting evidence.

The article you’ve shared from The Australian attempts to portray Trump as a victim of Democratic falsehoods, yet Harris has simply referenced his own actions and statements.

If you have an issue with this, the fault lies with Trump himself, not with those who hold him to account.

If you do want to take this up with Trump, it is worth noting that such accountability should not take the extreme forms recently exhibited by some of his former supporters.
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Reply #22 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:47am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:25am:
Harris said during the debate with Trump:

It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one according to himself. It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine. It is well known he said that when Russia went into Ukraine it was brilliant.

Despite this not being true, ABC News moderator Linsey Davis responded, “Vice President Harris, thank you.”

This lie has been repeated many times, by President Joe Biden and other Democrats, and again, most recently by Harris on the debate stage.


In an interview with Fox News on March 1, 2022, Donald Trump referred to Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "brilliant." The comment was part of a broader discussion where Trump was critiquing the Biden administration’s foreign policy and responses to the situation.

Trump's use of the term "brilliant" was intended to highlight what he perceived as Putin's strategic acumen in leveraging geopolitical weaknesses.

He praised Putin's ability to achieve his objectives with minimal resistance.

Swing and a miss again champ.
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Reply #23 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:52am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:47am:
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:25am:
Harris said during the debate with Trump:

It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one according to himself. It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine. It is well known he said that when Russia went into Ukraine it was brilliant.

Despite this not being true, ABC News moderator Linsey Davis responded, “Vice President Harris, thank you.”

This lie has been repeated many times, by President Joe Biden and other Democrats, and again, most recently by Harris on the debate stage.


In an interview with Fox News on March 1, 2022, Donald Trump referred to Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "brilliant." The comment was part of a broader discussion where Trump was critiquing the Biden administration’s foreign policy and responses to the situation.

Trump's use of the term "brilliant" was intended to highlight what he perceived as Putin's strategic acumen in leveraging geopolitical weaknesses.

He praised Putin's ability to achieve his objectives with minimal resistance.

Swing and a miss again champ.

Nonsense.  Even you have proven, despite yourself that Harris lied:


Harris said during the debate with Trump:

It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one according to himself. It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine. It is well known he said that when Russia went into Ukraine it was brilliant.



She lies by distorting and conflating  - like you.

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Reply #24 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:56am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:52am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:47am:
Frank wrote on Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:25am:
Harris said during the debate with Trump:

It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one according to himself. It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine. It is well known he said that when Russia went into Ukraine it was brilliant.

Despite this not being true, ABC News moderator Linsey Davis responded, “Vice President Harris, thank you.”

This lie has been repeated many times, by President Joe Biden and other Democrats, and again, most recently by Harris on the debate stage.


In an interview with Fox News on March 1, 2022, Donald Trump referred to Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "brilliant." The comment was part of a broader discussion where Trump was critiquing the Biden administration’s foreign policy and responses to the situation.

Trump's use of the term "brilliant" was intended to highlight what he perceived as Putin's strategic acumen in leveraging geopolitical weaknesses.

He praised Putin's ability to achieve his objectives with minimal resistance.

Swing and a miss again champ.

Nonsense.  Even you have proven, despite yourself that Harris lied:


Harris said during the debate with Trump:

It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one according to himself. It is well known that he said of Putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into Ukraine. It is well known he said that when Russia went into Ukraine it was brilliant.



She lies by distorting and conflating  - like you.



I'll have to rewatch the line in the debate, but Trump has said that exact phrase about Russia invading NATO countries who don't "pay up",

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“NATO was busted until I came along,” Trump said at a rally in Conway, South Carolina. “I said, ‘Everybody’s gonna pay.’ They said, ‘Well, if we don’t pay, are you still going to protect us?’ I said, ‘Absolutely not.’ They couldn’t believe the answer.”

Trump said “one of the presidents of a big country” at one point asked him whether the US would still defend the country if they were invaded by Russia even if they “don’t pay.”

“No, I would not protect you,” Trump recalled telling that president. “In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. You got to pay. You got to pay your bills.”


Trump demanding others pay their bills.  Hilarious.
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Reply #25 - Sep 17th, 2024 at 11:19am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Sep 17th, 2024 at 10:56am:
Trump demanding others pay their bills.  Hilarious.


It really is one of the funniest things ever.
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Reply #26 - Oct 1st, 2024 at 4:34am
 
Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election. Far from being a threat to democracy, he is the only way to save it!

Let me explain: if even 1 in 20 illegals become citizens per year, something that the Democrats are expediting as fast as humanly possible, that would be about 2 million new legal voters in 4 years.

The voting margin in the swing states is often less than 20 thousand votes. That means if the “Democratic” Party succeeds, there will be no more swing states!!

Moreover, the Biden/Harris administration has been flying “asylum seekers”, who are fast-tracked to citizenship, directly into swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and Arizona. It is a surefire way to win every election.

America then becomes a one-party state and Democracy is over. The only “elections” will be the Democratic Party primaries. This already happened in California many years ago, following the 1986 amnesty.

The only thing holding California back from extreme socialism and suffocating government policies is that people can leave California and still remain in America. Once the whole country is controlled by one party, there will be no escape.

Everywhere in America will be like the nightmare that is downtown San Francisco.


All according to plan. Guess how many migrants are eligible for naturalization under the current rules? 9 million…

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1840409051357696324
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Reply #27 - Oct 1st, 2024 at 7:06am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 1st, 2024 at 4:34am:
Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election. Far from being a threat to democracy, he is the only way to save it!

Let me explain: if even 1 in 20 illegals become citizens per year, something that the Democrats are expediting as fast as humanly possible, that would be about 2 million new legal voters in 4 years.

The voting margin in the swing states is often less than 20 thousand votes. That means if the “Democratic” Party succeeds, there will be no more swing states!!

Moreover, the Biden/Harris administration has been flying “asylum seekers”, who are fast-tracked to citizenship, directly into swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and Arizona. It is a surefire way to win every election.

America then becomes a one-party state and Democracy is over. The only “elections” will be the Democratic Party primaries. This already happened in California many years ago, following the 1986 amnesty.

The only thing holding California back from extreme socialism and suffocating government policies is that people can leave California and still remain in America. Once the whole country is controlled by one party, there will be no escape.

Everywhere in America will be like the nightmare that is downtown San Francisco.


All according to plan. Guess how many migrants are eligible for naturalization under the current rules? 9 million…

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1840409051357696324



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The Dems are the only thing between Democracy and Donald Trump.
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