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Reply #15 - Oct 27^th, 2024 at 12:41pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 9:41am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26^th, 2024 at 11:08pm:

The People Have Spoken! They told governments not to go ahead with all the voice components - governments went ahead..... now governments that did this are falling.... and it couldn't happen to a more stupid bunch of clowns.

Predictably, you twist every development into some distorted “proof” of your version of events. But, as usual, you’re not just misrepresenting the truth—you’re outright lying, despite having been corrected repeatedly. Your name has become little more than a joke, like calling a giant “Tiny.”

The nation rejected a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous advisory body, The Voice—one component of the Uluru Statement. Yet the other elements remain, backed by Labor’s clear election commitments. Any further action on these is not “The Voice by stealth” nor “voice components” sneaked in against public will. This is a simple, irrefutable fact.

One has to wonder why you find your position so weak that you resort to such relentless, transparent dishonesty.

The relentless dishonesty is coming from the State Labor Govt. No transparency in their dealing with "Inalienable Freehold" Native Title claims that are to affect 15 towns and cities across Queensland.

So yes this is all part and parcel of implementing components of the Uluru Statement and Voice by stealth.

So with a bit of luck now QLD has a change of Govt some of these claims & their lack of detail will be made public and hopefully rejected.

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Reply #16 - Oct 27^th, 2024 at 4:20pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 11:42am:

The proof is in the voting - your smokescreen and insult/abuse rhetoric while you desperately retreat from reality is clear to everyone.

If I was going to insult you, you'd know slick.

The result of the state election (not a single issue vote, but it's pointless trying to talk sense to you), doesn't negate the facts about The Voice or the Uluru statement.

Keep pushing your lies mate, it's not fooling anyone.

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Reply #17 - Oct 27^th, 2024 at 4:33pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 12:41pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 9:41am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26^th, 2024 at 11:08pm:

The People Have Spoken! They told governments not to go ahead with all the voice components - governments went ahead..... now governments that did this are falling.... and it couldn't happen to a more stupid bunch of clowns.

Predictably, you twist every development into some distorted “proof” of your version of events. But, as usual, you’re not just misrepresenting the truth—you’re outright lying, despite having been corrected repeatedly. Your name has become little more than a joke, like calling a giant “Tiny.”

The nation rejected a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous advisory body, The Voice—one component of the Uluru Statement. Yet the other elements remain, backed by Labor’s clear election commitments. Any further action on these is not “The Voice by stealth” nor “voice components” sneaked in against public will. This is a simple, irrefutable fact.

One has to wonder why you find your position so weak that you resort to such relentless, transparent dishonesty.

The relentless dishonesty is coming from the State Labor Govt. No transparency in their dealing with "Inalienable Freehold" Native Title claims that are to affect 15 towns and cities across Queensland.

So yes this is all part and parcel of implementing components of the Uluru Statement and Voice by stealth.

So with a bit of luck now QLD has a change of Govt some of these claims & their lack of detail will be made public and hopefully rejected.

Well - give the people a REAL vote on these issues - every last one of them - and see what you get (Skanka and co)... The people voted on the entirety of what they could see was the 'voice' and what it actually intended and included - they said NO. that wasn't a strong enough hint for the Fascists, so they went ahead behind the people's backs with their voice by stealth, which includes everything that was demanded.

This one - dear god - this one - is the ultimate act of Fascism..... the 'minister' will dictate the result of some mythical claim, and without even the decency to consult with those directly affected - let alone with the people over whether or not such a sweeping and frankly, insane, process should go ahead at all.

ONLY Aboriginals can make such outrageous claims and even have them considered on a 'zero payment' basis... nobody else can gain ownership of land in that way - and yet you claim this is not Apartheid and Supremacism? You desperate little person - get help.

You reckon the people aren't telling you where to get off with every vote? Grow up..............

Queenslanders - Secede NOW and Avoid The Rush!! Take Back The Asylum From Brisdrain!

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Reply #18 - Oct 28^th, 2024 at 7:00am

Gnads wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 12:41pm:

The relentless dishonesty is coming from the State Labor Govt. No transparency in their dealing with "Inalienable Freehold" Native Title claims that are to affect 15 towns and cities across Queensland.

So yes this is all part and parcel of implementing components of the Uluru Statement and Voice by stealth.

So with a bit of luck now QLD has a change of Govt some of these claims & their lack of detail will be made public and hopefully rejected.

Grap’s not alone here. The core issue that plagues you and your crowd is Native Title laws, an entirely legitimate subject of discussion. But rather than addressing it directly, you play the perpetual victims, painting The Voice as some covert attack to win pity and bolster your feeble argument.

What you fail to grasp is that these layers of deceit only sabotage your credibility.

Your fragile egos and personality disorders trap you in this cycle where admitting any mistake would mean conceding defeat, so you double down, pouring out lie upon lie, and escalating to personal attacks when challenged.

This doesn’t strengthen your case; it crumbles it, exposing you as utterly incapable of engaging in a discussion or debate in good faith.

For anyone foolish enough to give you the benefit of the doubt, they’ll quickly see what happened with Grap and me: I extended respect, even-handedly answered his questions, reached across the aisle, only to have him respond shi

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in his hand before reaching back or simply just flinging his own filth at me.

It’s time you drop the faux tough-guy act and this delusion that repeating lies somehow makes them true.

Nobody outside your self-affirming echo chamber is buying it, and the only audience left for you is yourselves, patting each other on the back for how deep you’ve managed to dig this pit.

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Reply #19 - Oct 28^th, 2024 at 12:16pm

Deliberately wrong as usual - trying to cloud the issue.

We are discussing the Aboriginal Land Acquisition 'laws' - which provide that any application for any land can be made, regardless of current ownership, and any decision will be entirely in the hands of the 'minister' of the day without any requirement even for consultation with the current residents etc, which 'minister', on track record, will invariably find in favour of the poor suffering applicants who are so down-trodden they can't work and save to buy their own land, so must steal it from others - either by being handed National Park land which is held in trust by government for all and NONE of which is unused since it is in constant use as National Park - or 'unused Crown land' which covers an enormous area, and IS, like National Parks, in use as land held in trust by the government for all the people - or by taking over possession of land already bought and paid for by others, and all without payment of a single cent, and with all application and any dispute costs all paid for out of treasury, while anyone who rightly refuses possession of his/her land will face enormous costs.

Pure Apartheidist Supremacism and totally unequal rights, even exceeding segregation meaning 'separate but equal'.... nothing remotely equal about it.

Native Title permits them to use the land NOT owned by others (without permission) for their traditional pursuits - a good deal really - they can hunt where others cannot - but only with traditional weapons and ways ... they can camp without restriction ..... they can hold ceremonies (they never really did pre-1788 in most of those places but now they say they need the space for some 'spiritual belief' meaning supremacy of religious belief over secular demands of a secular society).

Native title therefore has nothing to do with Land Grab 2024 - the ALA farce and big lie... it is all about being handed some special right to demand and obtain ANY land without paying a single cent... and without restriction on the size of that land. NOBODY else can even consider making such an outrageous claim for free land.

An insane proposition in its entirety, and anyone promoting such rubbish is one of the most vile racists on earth at this time.

Now - to settle your wild-eyed little arseholes firmly on the seats, children - I've already advanced the idea that each Aboriginal family could be given a block of land - not a swathe of land for a small group- a block each family. Capisce? That idea is a far better deal than ANY OTHER FAMILY in this country can get - all others have to work and save and slave to obtain their own home block and then build on it... and BTW - the same government handing around Other People's Land will be giving them the cash to build their homes - and a lot of them will likely sell that land anyway for short term gain and then demand more!

The most insane idea ever created; the most racist; the most divisive; the most disastrous.... only a complete madperson could even come up with such a disaster.

One more thing - ALA is a perfect example of 'mission creep' of a theoretically good, simple, kind and generous offer intended to help the poor rise up - it started off with giving them some land to call their own, enough to build on, which Native Title does not ... now it has grown like Grendl off its own bluffing and posturing until it has become a ravening giant devouring vast areas.

I'LL SAY AGAIN LOUD AND CLEAR - IF YOU THINK IT IS SUCH A WONDERUL THING -
PUT IT TO AN INFORMED VOTE OF ALL THE PEOPLE!

See what you get then... but you won't.. I know... you are frankly terrified of the true vote of the true people.

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Reply #20 - Oct 28^th, 2024 at 1:18pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 12:16pm:

Deliberately wrong as usual - trying to cloud the issue.

We are discussing the Aboriginal Land Acquisition 'laws' - which provide that any application for any land can be made, regardless of current ownership, and any decision will be entirely in the hands of the 'minister' of the day without any requirement even for consultation with the current residents etc, which 'minister', on track record, will invariably find in favour of the poor suffering applicants who are so down-trodden they can't work and save to buy their own land, so must steal it from others - either by being handed National Park land which is held in trust by government for all and NONE of which is unused since it is in constant use as National Park - or 'unused Crown land' which covers an enormous area, and IS, like National Parks, in use as land held in trust by the government for all the people - or by taking over possession of land already bought and paid for by others, and all without payment of a single cent, and with all application and any dispute costs all paid for out of treasury, while anyone who rightly refuses possession of his/her land will face enormous costs.

Then talk about that.

Stop pretending it's "The Voice by stealth" and you're some sort of victim because of the referendum result.

It's not, you're not, and while you're at it, you could stop using racial slurs.

Untill that happens, you're just an old racist man yelling at clouds.

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Reply #21 - Oct 28^th, 2024 at 2:26pm

Land Grabs are part of the voice - the voice was the grease to smooth the pathway, and was the first part of the thrust - the spearpoint.

Get with it.

I've discussed it and put it firmly to bed as the Apartheidist and Supremacist madness that it is, and how it has grown, in the traditional style, from giving the Abos a plot to build on while continuing Native title wandering about etc under rules, into a ravening monster being used to demand huge swathes of the best land freehold for no cost at all, and without even the decency of asking those directly affected.

Madness - and that is one of the clear reasons the People voted down the first part of the Agenda and it's main prop - the voice. It's all of a one... you raving that it's not won't change that reality.

FYI (again) I said DURING the 'voice campaign' when Albo repeated over and over that the voting was ONLY on this 'voice' and not all the bits attached to it - he was lying through his teeth - and that he, and you, and others, would - once the 'voice vote' was downed - say they could just go ahead with the rest of it without a vote and we had no right to complain since it wasn't part of the voice vote.

Well - We, the People - DIFFER! Take NO for an answer!

The campaigners for YES didn't even have the decency to say that a purely advisory voice - as per their own documents - was inadequate, and it required POWER TO IMPOSE! So again they were lying.

Take NO for an answer and stop wasting everybody's time trying to perpetuate the lies about the voice... the Voice By Stealth will not pass - and those pushing it are being shot to pieces at elections.

Any time you want to discuss reasonable reconciliation and a few other things - We, The People, are open to that - but not to some one-sided agenda being pushed without our consent.

Now than - about that REAL truth-telling.... I say most 'massacres' were punitive measures taken after attacks, massacres and raids..... what say you?

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Reply #22 - Oct 28^th, 2024 at 2:48pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

Land Grabs are part of the voice - the voice was the grease to smooth the pathway, and was the first part of the thrust - the spearpoint.

The Voice proposal sought to establish a constitutionally enshrined Indigenous Advisory Body to Parliament.

Crucially, legislative authority would remain with the Government; the Voice was advisory, not legislative.

The suggestion that the Voice relates to "land grabs" is a misrepresentation. These issues are entirely distinct.

Yet you persist in conflating them, exploiting the recent referendum rejection of the Voice to stoke unfounded fears. You seek to smear every Indigenous issue you find objectionable by linking it to the Voice, spinning a narrative of "stealth implementation" as though the outcome of the referendum should delegitimise unrelated Indigenous concerns.

Let’s be clear: this narrative is a fabrication. You've been exposed in this distortion, even going as far as to redefine the Voice to suit your agenda.

The facts are unambiguous and they are not in your favour. Persisting in these misrepresentations, even a year later, will not make them true.

Get with it, as they say, slick.

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Reply #23 - Oct 28^th, 2024 at 4:13pm

Read the link - they themselves said an advisory body was useless and they wanted more. Be real - you don't imagine AlboCorp would have refused .. MORE .... and MORE .... and MORE AND MORE ... do you?

Mission Creep and Interpretation Creep would have set in from Day One... you need to grow up regardless of your physical age.... if you doubt that look at the............ (gasps) ...... Aboriginal Lands Acquisition 'law'......... it grew Grendl-like on its own bluster and ability to hide behind obscurity in some hidden cave within a government department...

Get With It, Lad!!

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Reply #29 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 5:45pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 4:13pm:

Read the link - they themselves said an advisory body was useless and they wanted more. Be real - you don't imagine AlboCorp would have refused .. MORE .... and MORE .... and MORE AND MORE ... do you?

Mission Creep and Interpretation Creep would have set in from Day One... you need to grow up regardless of your physical age.... if you doubt that look at the............ (gasps) ...... Aboriginal Lands Acquisition 'law'......... it grew Grendl-like on its own bluster and ability to hide behind obscurity in some hidden cave within a government department...

Get With It, Lad!!

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