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thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 5 th, 2025 at 9:54am: Gnads wrote on Jan 5 th, 2025 at 9:46am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 18 th, 2024 at 11:17am: Frank wrote on Dec 18 th, 2024 at 11:07am: Brian Ross wrote on Dec 17 th, 2024 at 7:18pm: If you are critical of Islam openly (ie not by crude graffiti on bins), the response is violent, often deadly. Really? Criticisms usually made on the basis of ignorance are treated with contempt, Soren. Perhaps that is a problem with your education? A PhD in psychology doesn't equip for much outside psychology, now does it? Such a shame you foolishly believe otherwise and parade your ignorance in nearly subject you comment on. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  The only ignoramus in the discussion is you. If there's to be an Islamophobia(no such thing)Envoy... then there needs to be an Envoy for every other religion. Well....yes. People who fail to recognise the recreation of Israel on Muslim lands (enabled by the UN) is the cause of Islamic terrorism (like youself) ARE "Islamophobes". BS..they weren't Muslim Lands. Quote:QUESTION:
The Palestinians were in Israel first, then it was flooded with European Jews from the Holocaust. I have sympathy for someone fleeing the Holocaust, but they shouldn’t be able to just take over someone else’s land, should they?
ANSWER:
The statement and question posed above may be something you hear from those who believe the Jews creation of the State of Israel constituted an act of colonialism – an act of taking political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, displacing its indigenous people, and exploiting it economically.
Consider the historic inaccuracies in the statement and question above:
It is inaccurate to say Arab Palestinians lived there first.
Jews have lived on the land of Israel continuously for almost 4,000 years.
The land of Israel is the birthplace of the Jewish people. Approximately 4,000 years ago, Abraham moved to the land of Israel where he lived with his family, raised his children and purchased land to bury his wife and himself.
After Abraham came Isaac and Jacob. Jacob, who was named Israel by God, had twelve sons whose families became the 12 Tribes of Israel.
Approximately 3,000 years ago, the Jews established a monarchy in the land that includes Israel, Gaza, the West Bank (Judaea and Samaria), the Golan Heights, parts of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan. (See the map below)
king-saul-twelve-tribes-unification-map
The map above shows the lands occupied by
the 12 Tribes at the time of the unification by King Saul.
King Saul united the 12 Tribes as a Jewish nation.
Under King David (who ruled first from Hebron – today part of the West Bank), Jerusalem was established as the capital of the Jewish nation. King David purchased Mount Moriah for 50 shekels of silver.
King Solomon built the holy Temple in Jerusalem, known as the First Temple.
The Babylonians conquered Israel about 2600 years ago (586 BCE) and destroyed the First Temple. Most of the Jewish population was exiled to Babylon, but some Jews remained.
About 150 years later (539 BCE), the Persians conquered Babylon and permitted the Jews in exile to return to Israel and authorized the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem.
200 years later Alexander the Great and Greeks conquered the Persians and the Jews continued to live in Jerusalem and Israel under Greek rule.
The Romans occupied Jerusalem and Israel in the first century BCE. The Jews revolted against Roman Rule about 130 years later during what became known as the First Jewish Revolt. In response, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple (70 CE). Many Jews were slaughtered by the Romans and most left the country, but some Jews remained. The Romans renamed Judea “Palaestina” in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land. It was from that point forward land became known as Palestine.
It was not until 622 CE that the Muslim religion was established by Mohammed in Mecca in what is today Saudi Arabia.
Caliph Umar was a contemporary of Mohammed and began conquering non-Arabian lands, including Palestine, around 636 CE. Jews were permitted to reenter Jerusalem and settled around the Western Wall. However, over the next 400+ years, Jews suffered under Caliphate rule.
Christian Crusaders conquered Palestine in 1099, slaughtering both Jews and Muslims.
After 200 years under Christian rule where non-Christians, including Jews and Muslims suffered, the Mamluks began rule of the area. During the Mamluk era there was a decline of towns and commerce and of Jewish communities. cont.
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