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Reply #210 - Yesterday at 10:52am

Frank wrote Yesterday at 7:35am:

Silly bollocks from beginning to end.

The Palestinians had at least 5 opportunities to settle for something even better than res 181. They walked away from every one of them.

They want a Judenfrei Palestine from the river to the sea.

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Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo I Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's legitimacy and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which mandated Israel's withdrawal from the occupied territories, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people.[16]

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Please keep up, Soren. You're over 30 years behind events. Your Islamophobia makes you ignore reality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #211 - Yesterday at 12:10pm

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 10:52am:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 7:35am:

Silly bollocks from beginning to end.

The Palestinians had at least 5 opportunities to settle for something even better than res 181. They walked away from every one of them.

They want a Judenfrei Palestine from the river to the sea.

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Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo I Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's legitimacy and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which mandated Israel's withdrawal from the occupied territories, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people.[16]

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Please keep up, Soren. You're over 30 years behind events. Your Islamophobia makes you ignore reality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Continue reading your source, lying, yawning moron:

Despite the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition (1993), in which PLO leader Yasser Arafat renounced violence against Israel, the PLO engaged in militant activities during the Second Intifada (2000–2005). On 29 October 2018, the PLO Central Council suspended the Palestinian recognition of Israel.[17][18]

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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #212 - Yesterday at 12:16pm

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 10:52am:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 7:35am:

Silly bollocks from beginning to end.

The Palestinians had at least 5 opportunities to settle for something even better than res 181. They walked away from every one of them.

They want a Judenfrei Palestine from the river to the sea.

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Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo I Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's legitimacy and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which mandated Israel's withdrawal from the occupied territories, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people.[16]

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Please keep up, Soren. You're over 30 years behind events. Your Islamophobia makes you ignore reality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Continue reading your source, lying, yawning moron:

Despite the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition (1993), in which PLO leader Yasser Arafat renounced violence against Israel, the PLO engaged in militant activities during the Second Intifada (2000–2005). On 29 October 2018, the PLO Central Council suspended the Palestinian recognition of Israel.[17][18]

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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #213 - Yesterday at 7:58pm

Frank wrote Yesterday at 12:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 10:52am:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 7:35am:

Silly bollocks from beginning to end.

The Palestinians had at least 5 opportunities to settle for something even better than res 181. They walked away from every one of them.

They want a Judenfrei Palestine from the river to the sea.

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Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo I Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's legitimacy and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which mandated Israel's withdrawal from the occupied territories, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people.[16]

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Please keep up, Soren. You're over 30 years behind events. Your Islamophobia makes you ignore reality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Continue reading your source, lying, yawning moron:

Despite the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition (1993), in which PLO leader Yasser Arafat renounced violence against Israel, the PLO engaged in militant activities during the Second Intifada (2000–2005). On 29 October 2018, the PLO Central Council suspended the Palestinian recognition of Israel.[17][18]

You're right but was that a political decision rather than a religious one? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #214 - Yesterday at 9:28pm

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 7:58pm:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 12:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 10:52am:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 7:35am:

Silly bollocks from beginning to end.

The Palestinians had at least 5 opportunities to settle for something even better than res 181. They walked away from every one of them.

They want a Judenfrei Palestine from the river to the sea.

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Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo I Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's legitimacy and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which mandated Israel's withdrawal from the occupied territories, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people.[16]

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Please keep up, Soren. You're over 30 years behind events. Your Islamophobia makes you ignore reality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Continue reading your source, lying, yawning moron:

Despite the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition (1993), in which PLO leader Yasser Arafat renounced violence against Israel, the PLO engaged in militant activities during the Second Intifada (2000–2005). On 29 October 2018, the PLO Central Council suspended the Palestinian recognition of Israel.[17][18]

You're right but was that a political decision rather than a religious one? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Moronic lie, doubled down with moronic stupidity. There is NO such thing as separation of religion and politics among Palestinians, not in Hamas, not in the PLO:

Under President Arafat, the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority adopted the 2003 Amended Basic Law, which stipulates Islam as the sole official religion in Palestine and the principles of Islamic sharia as a principal source of legislation.[50] The draft Constitution contains the same provisions.[51][52] The draft Constitution was formulated by a Constitutional Committee, established by Arafat in 1999 and endorsed by the PLO.

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Reply #217 - Today at 1:03am

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 7:58pm:

You're right but was that a political decision rather than a religious one? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

There is no difference between political and religious in Islam. Islam is a political, legal and religious ideology, there is no separation. Ask all your Islamic friends you work, serve and study with. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #218 - Today at 10:39am

Frank wrote Yesterday at 7:35am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2025 at 11:01am:

Frank wrote on Jan 8^th, 2025 at 9:28am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2025 at 9:03am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 12:13pm:

Once again - they were not historically or traditionally Muslim lands.

Once again, they were Muslims lands from the Arab conquest in the 7th century.

See how blind RW ideologues deny historical facts.

Before the Muslim conquest it was Christian lands.

Correct, but gnads is denying the fact Palestine has been under Muslim control for the last 1300 years - longer than ancient Israel's existance.

Do try to keep up. Sad

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Israel WAS created by international law, as a result of the Jews accepting the UN resolution. There is no Palestinian state next to Israel because the Muslims did not accept the same international law, the same UN resolution. Nor another subsequent 5 opportunities to have their own state alongside Israel.

See my post to Jasin above, which explains the failure of interntional law, and failure to implement UN re 181..

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So what DO the Muslims want? In paractical, actual terms?
The elimination of Israel as a Jewish state.

Today, most Moslem governments , and enJightened MuslIms (of which there are many) would settle for UN res 181.

Educate yourself, read the post to Jasin, above.

Silly bollocks from beginning to end.

Naturally (being an uneducable, crippled-brain RW ideologue) you failed to refute any of the points made except the last.

Deplorable.

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The Palestinians had at least 5 opportunities to settle for something even better than res 181. They walked away from every one of them.

Sheer ignorance. UN res 181 gave them East Jerusalem
(or rather, shared sovereigny over the entire city - the original UN plan); but since the '67 war, Israel has objected to eiither arrangent which is why the Camp David t\and Oslo accords failed.

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They want a Judenfrei Palestine from the river to the sea.

RW propaganda; Hamas want that, not Fatah.

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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #219 - Today at 10:51am

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 10:39am:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 7:35am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2025 at 11:01am:

Frank wrote on Jan 8^th, 2025 at 9:28am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 8^th, 2025 at 9:03am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 7^th, 2025 at 12:13pm:

Once again - they were not historically or traditionally Muslim lands.

Once again, they were Muslims lands from the Arab conquest in the 7th century.

See how blind RW ideologues deny historical facts.

Before the Muslim conquest it was Christian lands.

Correct, but gnads is denying the fact Palestine has been under Muslim control for the last 1300 years - longer than ancient Israel's existance.

Do try to keep up. Sad

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Israel WAS created by international law, as a result of the Jews accepting the UN resolution. There is no Palestinian state next to Israel because the Muslims did not accept the same international law, the same UN resolution. Nor another subsequent 5 opportunities to have their own state alongside Israel.

See my post to Jasin above, which explains the failure of interntional law, and failure to implement UN re 181..

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So what DO the Muslims want? In paractical, actual terms?
The elimination of Israel as a Jewish state.

Today, most Moslem governments , and enJightened MuslIms (of which there are many) would settle for UN res 181.

Educate yourself, read the post to Jasin, above.

Silly bollocks from beginning to end.

Naturally (being an uneducable, crippled-brain RW ideologue) you failed to refute any of the points made except the last.

Deplorable.

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The Palestinians had at least 5 opportunities to settle for something even better than res 181. They walked away from every one of them.

Sheer ignorance. UN res 181 gave them East Jerusalem
(or rather, shared sovereigny over the entire city - the original UN plan); but since the '67 war, Israel has objected to eiither arrangent which is why the Camp David t\and Oslo accords failed.

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They want a Judenfrei Palestine from the river to the sea.

RW propaganda; Hamas want that, not Fatah.

Hamas beat Fatah in an election in Gaza.
So who speaks for Palestinians?

As for Jerusalem and the rest - the Palestinians didn't take their statehood opportunity when it first came up in 1948, when Israel did take its chance. Since then the Arabs started half as dozen wars and violent attacks on Israel to so the facts on the ground have changed considerably. There is no going back to everything the Palestinans may have wanted in 1948 or 56 or 67 or 73 or the 1990s etc.
You can't always have what you want, as the poet crooner. Or all of it.

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Reply #220 - Today at 10:59am

Frank wrote Yesterday at 12:10pm:

Brian Ross wrote Yesterday at 10:52am:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 7:35am:

Silly bollocks from beginning to end.

The Palestinians had at least 5 opportunities to settle for something even better than res 181. They walked away from every one of them.

They want a Judenfrei Palestine from the river to the sea.

Quote:

Mediated talks between the Israeli government and the PLO in 1993 (the Oslo I Accord) resulted in the PLO recognizing Israel's legitimacy and accepting United Nations Security Council Resolution 242, which mandated Israel's withdrawal from the occupied territories, while Israel recognized the PLO as a legitimate authority representing the Palestinian people.[16]

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Please keep up, Soren. You're over 30 years behind events. Your Islamophobia makes you ignore reality. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Continue reading your source, lying, yawning moron:

Despite the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition (1993), in which PLO leader Yasser Arafat renounced violence against Israel, the PLO engaged in militant activities during the Second Intifada (2000–2005). On 29 October 2018, the PLO Central Council suspended the Palestinian recognition of Israel.[17][18]

Your error: in 1993, Arafat expected implemention of UN res 242, in exchange for recognition of Israel.

The talks failed because Israel refused to cede sovereignty of occupied territory including East Jersalem to Palestinians since the '67 war (as per UN res 242) and has been stalling ever since, and the murder of PM Rabin reduced Israeli citizens' appetite to cede occupied territory (including E. Jerusalem).

Mwanwhile, you failed to acknowledge my post answering your question: why did the UN fail to implement UN res 181.

Revealing your blind RW mental incompetence, as always.

Deplorable.

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Reply #221 - Today at 11:08am

The UN cannot implement anything. It can only resolve, endorse or censure- talk.

Only actual member states can implement - ie act beyond talking. The Jews in p amended their side of 181 by declaring Israel and then defending it and then making an actual, functioning country.

The Palestinians could do the same. But the work of creating a functioning country is a lot more hard work than stealing international aid and spending it on Jihad against an actual, functioning state.

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