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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #225 - Jan 10^th, 2025 at 2:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 11:08am:

The UN cannot implement anything. It can only resolve, endorse or censure- talk.

Only actual member states can implement - ie act beyond talking. The Jews in p amended their side of 181 by declaring Israel and then defending it and then making an actual, functioning country.

The Palestinians could do the same. But the work of creating a functioning country is a lot more hard work than stealing international aid and spending it on Jihad against an actual, functioning state.

This would explain why the UN expelled Iraq from Kuwait in 1991, would it, Soren? This would explain why the UN expelled Serbia from Kosovo in 1999? You seem very particular in what parts of history you remember. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The United States and it's allies did, not the UN.
The UN has no military force, only states have military forces.

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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #226 - Jan 10^th, 2025 at 2:58pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 11:43am:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 11:08am:

The UN cannot implement anything. It can only resolve, endorse or censure- talk.

You uneducable, blind RW ideologue, I already explained why the UN was crippled at its inception, and failed its first test i ie, the creation of 2 new states via a majority vote by the UN.

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Only actual member states can implement - ie act beyond talking.

And requiring UNSC backing.....

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The Jews in p amended their side of 181 by declaring Israel and then defending it and then making an actual, functioning country.

It was the job of the UN, not Israel, to "p ammend", ie implement UN res 181, as per one of the UN's earliest resolutions. The UN failed, resulting in ongoing war ever since.

And only the UN could have partitioned the Palestine Mandate legally, because there was no process before the UN whereby Jews could take Palestine Mandate territory without using force.

So the Jews took their UN-designated part of the Palestine Mandate by force anyway, because the UN was powerless to implement UN res 181 and stop the war.

Deplorable.

The Jews accepted the UN resolution and declared a state. The Muslims didn't accept the UN resolution and attacked Israel.

Take it from there.

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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #227 - Jan 10^th, 2025 at 3:40pm

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 2:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 11:08am:

The UN cannot implement anything. It can only resolve, endorse or censure- talk.

Only actual member states can implement - ie act beyond talking. The Jews in p amended their side of 181 by declaring Israel and then defending it and then making an actual, functioning country.

The Palestinians could do the same. But the work of creating a functioning country is a lot more hard work than stealing international aid and spending it on Jihad against an actual, functioning state.

This would explain why the UN expelled Iraq from Kuwait in 1991, would it, Soren? This would explain why the UN expelled Serbia from Kosovo in 1999? You seem very particular in what parts of history you remember. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The United States and it's allies did, not the UN.
The UN has no military force, only states have military forces.

Oh, so the UN Security Council resolutions were meaningless to the US, Soren? What a distorted view of history you have. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #228 - Jan 10^th, 2025 at 4:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 3:40pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 2:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 11:08am:

The UN cannot implement anything. It can only resolve, endorse or censure- talk.

Only actual member states can implement - ie act beyond talking. The Jews in p amended their side of 181 by declaring Israel and then defending it and then making an actual, functioning country.

The Palestinians could do the same. But the work of creating a functioning country is a lot more hard work than stealing international aid and spending it on Jihad against an actual, functioning state.

This would explain why the UN expelled Iraq from Kuwait in 1991, would it, Soren? This would explain why the UN expelled Serbia from Kosovo in 1999? You seem very particular in what parts of history you remember. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The United States and it's allies did, not the UN.
The UN has no military force, only states have military forces.

Oh, so the UN Security Council resolutions were meaningless to the US, Soren? What a distorted view of history you have. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is this really your best?? (Yes...) your question confirms my point: the US acted, not the UN, as far as DOING anything other than talk, resolve and vote.

The UN can pass any number of resolution. If there are no willing countries to act, it is meaningless talk. The UN demanded thart Russia "immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw" from Ukraine as it is violating its territorial integrity and sovereignty. The vote was 143 yes, 5 no. Nothing happened.

The UK took back the Falklands regardless of the UN.
Etc.

As Stalin said of the pope and could have said of the UN: How many divisions has he got?

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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #229 - Jan 10^th, 2025 at 8:15pm

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 4:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 3:40pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 2:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 11:08am:

The UN cannot implement anything. It can only resolve, endorse or censure- talk.

Only actual member states can implement - ie act beyond talking. The Jews in p amended their side of 181 by declaring Israel and then defending it and then making an actual, functioning country.

The Palestinians could do the same. But the work of creating a functioning country is a lot more hard work than stealing international aid and spending it on Jihad against an actual, functioning state.

This would explain why the UN expelled Iraq from Kuwait in 1991, would it, Soren? This would explain why the UN expelled Serbia from Kosovo in 1999? You seem very particular in what parts of history you remember. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The United States and it's allies did, not the UN.
The UN has no military force, only states have military forces.

Oh, so the UN Security Council resolutions were meaningless to the US, Soren? What a distorted view of history you have. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is this really your best?? (Yes...) your question confirms my point: the US acted, not the UN, as far as DOING anything other than talk, resolve and vote.

The UN can pass any number of resolution. If there are no willing countries to act, it is meaningless talk. The UN demanded thart Russia "immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw" from Ukraine as it is violating its territorial integrity and sovereignty. The vote was 143 yes, 5 no. Nothing happened.

The UK took back the Falklands regardless of the UN.
Etc.

As Stalin said of the pope and could have said of the UN: How many divisions has he got?

Oh, dearie, dearie me, your mistaking the General Assembly for the Security Council where the real power resides. The General Assembly can talk all its like but it's resolutions are not binding. The Security Council on the otherhand makes decisions which it has the power to enforce. The veto of the permanent members can prevent the Security Council from acting but when there is no disagreement, they act. They did not disagree over Korea, nor over the Congo and not over East Timor, not over Kuwait and not over Kosovo. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #230 - Jan 10^th, 2025 at 10:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 8:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 4:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 3:40pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 2:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 11:08am:

The UN cannot implement anything. It can only resolve, endorse or censure- talk.

Only actual member states can implement - ie act beyond talking. The Jews in p amended their side of 181 by declaring Israel and then defending it and then making an actual, functioning country.

The Palestinians could do the same. But the work of creating a functioning country is a lot more hard work than stealing international aid and spending it on Jihad against an actual, functioning state.

This would explain why the UN expelled Iraq from Kuwait in 1991, would it, Soren? This would explain why the UN expelled Serbia from Kosovo in 1999? You seem very particular in what parts of history you remember. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The United States and it's allies did, not the UN.
The UN has no military force, only states have military forces.

Oh, so the UN Security Council resolutions were meaningless to the US, Soren? What a distorted view of history you have. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is this really your best?? (Yes...) your question confirms my point: the US acted, not the UN, as far as DOING anything other than talk, resolve and vote.

The UN can pass any number of resolution. If there are no willing countries to act, it is meaningless talk. The UN demanded thart Russia "immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw" from Ukraine as it is violating its territorial integrity and sovereignty. The vote was 143 yes, 5 no. Nothing happened.

The UK took back the Falklands regardless of the UN.
Etc.

As Stalin said of the pope and could have said of the UN: How many divisions has he got?

Oh, dearie, dearie me, your mistaking the General Assembly for the Security Council where the real power resides. The General Assembly can talk all its like but it's resolutions are not binding. The Security Council on the otherhand makes decisions which it has the power to enforce. The veto of the permanent members can prevent the Security Council from acting but when there is no disagreement, they act. They did not disagree over Korea, nor over the Congo and not over East Timor, not over Kuwait and not over Kosovo. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are an idiot, Bbwian. You actually know it. Everyone does.

Where is the UN's military force? Who commands it? Who pays for it? Who sends it into action? Who recalls it?

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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #231 - Jan 11^th, 2025 at 11:45am

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 10:09pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 8:15pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 4:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 3:40pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 2:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 1:57pm:

Frank wrote on Jan 10^th, 2025 at 11:08am:

The UN cannot implement anything. It can only resolve, endorse or censure- talk.

Only actual member states can implement - ie act beyond talking. The Jews in p amended their side of 181 by declaring Israel and then defending it and then making an actual, functioning country.

The Palestinians could do the same. But the work of creating a functioning country is a lot more hard work than stealing international aid and spending it on Jihad against an actual, functioning state.

This would explain why the UN expelled Iraq from Kuwait in 1991, would it, Soren? This would explain why the UN expelled Serbia from Kosovo in 1999? You seem very particular in what parts of history you remember. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

The United States and it's allies did, not the UN.
The UN has no military force, only states have military forces.

Oh, so the UN Security Council resolutions were meaningless to the US, Soren? What a distorted view of history you have. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is this really your best?? (Yes...) your question confirms my point: the US acted, not the UN, as far as DOING anything other than talk, resolve and vote.

The UN can pass any number of resolution. If there are no willing countries to act, it is meaningless talk. The UN demanded thart Russia "immediately, completely and unconditionally withdraw" from Ukraine as it is violating its territorial integrity and sovereignty. The vote was 143 yes, 5 no. Nothing happened.

The UK took back the Falklands regardless of the UN.
Etc.

As Stalin said of the pope and could have said of the UN: How many divisions has he got?

Oh, dearie, dearie me, your mistaking the General Assembly for the Security Council where the real power resides. The General Assembly can talk all its like but it's resolutions are not binding. The Security Council on the otherhand makes decisions which it has the power to enforce. The veto of the permanent members can prevent the Security Council from acting but when there is no disagreement, they act. They did not disagree over Korea, nor over the Congo and not over East Timor, not over Kuwait and not over Kosovo. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are an idiot, Bbwian. You actually know it. Everyone does.

When you cannot argue you resort to insults, Soren. Such a silly mistake but all too common when discussing anything with you. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Where is the UN's military force? Who commands it? Who pays for it? Who sends it into action? Who recalls it?

The UN's military force is made up of volunteer forces which nation's contribute to an operations. Australia has led several operations over the years such as East Timor, Namibia and Cambodia. The US has led several operations over the years such as Korea, Kuwait and Kosovo. Now run along and troll back under your bridge. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet
Reply #232 - Jan 11^th, 2025 at 12:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jan 11^th, 2025 at 11:45am: