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Reply #30 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 4:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 12:51pm:

Wilders is lucky he isn't in Australia, section 18C would stop that sort of speech, toute sweet. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Just goes to show that you'd get into legal trouble in Australia for telling the truth.

And it will get only worse up of the misinformation bill comes into effect. It is even more hazy and vague and overarching than 18c and so it will be used even more to silence people telling uncomfortable truths - the sole reason for such laws.

The late great Clive James made a pertinent point: the problem with Australians is not that so many of them are descended from convicts, but that so many of them are descended from prison officers. The Left channel and embody that scaldy, jailer mentality.

Needless to say, the sharpest kind of censorship - death - is built into Islam against its critics.

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Reply #32 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 12:51pm:

Wilders is lucky he isn't in Australia, section 18C would stop that sort of speech, toute sweet. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Not necessarily, it depends on how the speech is expressed. It can sound like it's breaking the law, but may not be

There's a lot of leeway in 18c

"The Human Rights Commission is a neutral facilitator, not an enforcer. And, wherever possible, the aim is to resolve things via conciliation.

Only a very small number of cases ever make their way to the court system. Even where a complaint is upheld, the remedies are hardly draconian.

Damages are rarely awarded (and if they are, the amount is modest), and no-one is convicted or goes to prison — because 18C does not create a criminal offence".

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Reply #33 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:21pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 9:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 12:51pm:

Wilders is lucky he isn't in Australia, section 18C would stop that sort of speech, toute sweet. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Not necessarily, it depends on how the speech is expressed. It can sound like it's breaking the law, but may not be

There's a lot of leeway in 18c

"The Human Rights Commission is a neutral facilitator, not an enforcer. And, wherever possible, the aim is to resolve things via conciliation.

Only a very small number of cases ever make their way to the court system. Even where a complaint is upheld, the remedies are hardly draconian.

Damages are rarely awarded (and if they are, the amount is modest), and no-one is convicted or goes to prison — because 18C does not create a criminal offence".

Reputations damage or the threat of it creates (self-)censorship.

These laws are vague. For example, the judge in his judgement wrote:

288 Senator Hanson has a long history of making anti-Muslim statements and, as I have found, she has a tendency to do so. At the time of her tweet, she knew that Senator Faruqi was Muslim. She also knew that Pakistan is a Muslim country. On those facts I am satisfied that a cause of Senator Hanson tweeting in the terms that she did is because Senator Faruqi is Muslim.

So telling Faruqi "piss off back home" would be wacist and Islamophobic if you know shee is from Pakistan. In fact, it would be wacist and whateverphobic if it was a directive to "piss off back to" ANY other country since the Racial Discrimination Act 18c says

(ii) was done by the respondent because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the applicant;

It would be wacist and Aussiephobic for an immigrant to say to an Austral ii a, " piss off, skippy" if you follow the judge's reasoning.

This is madness. 18c should be repealed.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41814	Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet Reply #34 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 10:49pm
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Reply #36 - Nov 9^th, 2024 at 11:26pm

Pauline should have asked for a jury trial. There's too many "Judge only" trials these days. Hanson was allowed to ask for a jury

A jury would have heard nothing about "muslim" from Hanson's tweet, only that she said "Pakistan". As it was, Judge Stewart only assumed Hanson meant "muslim, go back to Pakistan". He based his finding on videos of Hanson in the past. But a jury would have seen through that, and focused their thoughts around the case at hand

The whole thing is a mountain out of a molehill, the issue was a molehill, but the Judge turned it into a mountain. He really should have sent it to conciliation, where it belonged, where Hanson could've said to Faruqi: "I won't say anything about you in the future, if you don't rubbish the monarch any more"

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24953 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet Reply #37 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:39am Brian Ross wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 12:51pm: Wilders is lucky he isn't in Australia, section 18C would stop that sort of speech, toute sweet. Tsk, tsk, tsk... No. It has not.
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Reply #38 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 7:57am

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 9^th, 2024 at 11:26pm:

Pauline should have asked for a jury trial. There's too many "Judge only" trials these days. Hanson was allowed to ask for a jury

A jury would have heard nothing about "muslim" from Hanson's tweet, only that she said "Pakistan". As it was, Judge Stewart only assumed Hanson meant "muslim, go back to Pakistan". He based his finding on videos of Hanson in the past. But a jury would have seen through that, and focused their thoughts around the case at hand

The whole thing is a mountain out of a molehill, the issue was a molehill, but the Judge turned it into a mountain. He really should have sent it to conciliation, where it belonged, where Hanson could've said to Faruqi: "I won't say anything about you in the future, if you don't rubbish the monarch any more"

It was not a criminal case but civil litigation. The judge simply made an order of removal of the tweet and costs against Hanson. Hanson is not convicted of anything.

It's significance is in becoming a precedent, ie a case that can be cited in future cases of litigation about wacism and Islamophobia.
Negative reference to Pakistan as in "Piss off back to Pakistan" is now legally defined and wacist Islamophobia.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41814	Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet Reply #39 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 1:34pm Hanson has been judged a Racist. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #41 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:14pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 5:24pm:

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Western media: “Islam is a religion of peace, love, harmony, inclusion, tolerance, ect.”

Arab media: “Enslave the infidels… Kill Christians and Jews if they refuse to bow down to Islam and the rule of Muslims."

As you can see in this video, a popular Muslim preacher on Arab TV says: “Non-Muslims Must Convert to Islam, Pay Jizya, or Be Fought and Killed; Don't Be Ashamed of Our Religion; Don't Feel Sorry for the Enemies of Allah”.

Is this a religion of peace? What do you think about “Islamophobia”?

https://x.com/LizaRosen0000/status/1854852371609731531

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41814	Re: No Islamophobia envoy yet Reply #42 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:34pm
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Reply #43 - Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:39pm

Brian Ross wrote on Nov 10^th, 2024 at 8:34pm:

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Yawn at this, self-soiling cockwomble.

In other wacist and Islamophobic news about Pakistanis pissing off to Pakistan :

Sara Sharif homeschooled and made to wear hijab to conceal injuries, court told
The 10-year-old was found beaten to death in her home in Woking in August last year

Sara’s father, Urfan Sharif, 42, her stepmother, Beinash Batool, 30, and her paternal uncle Faisal Malik, 29, are accused of carrying out a violent “campaign of abuse” before killing her on 8 August.

The court was told the defendants fled to Pakistan the following day.

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The prosecutor, William Emlyn Jones KC, told the court on Tuesday that Sara began wearing a hijab in January 2023 “to conceal injuries to her face and head from the outside world”. Neighbours told police it seemed “unusual” because Sara was the only member of her family to wear a hijab.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/oct/15/sara-sharif-injuries-court

Stand by for Bbwianesque yawning, insh'allah.

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