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Reply #180 - Nov 18^th, 2024 at 5:18pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 3:01pm:

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Those were not assault weapons

Bullshit!!!

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Examples of mass shootings involving assault weapons
and/or large capacity magazines
• Uvalde, Texas— AR-15-style weapon killed 19 children; 2 teachers
• Buffalo, New York— AR-15-style rifle killed 10 shoppers
• Boulder, Colorado—Ruger AR-556 semi-automatic killed 10
people including a police officer
• Dayton, Ohio— AR-15-style weapon equipped with a 100-round
ammunition magazine to kill nine people and injure over 25 others
in less than 30 seconds at a local bar
• El Paso, Texas— AK-47-style weapon killed 22 at a Walmart.
• Gilroy, Calif.— AK-47-style weapon wounded 17 and killed three
including a 13-year-old girl and 6-year-old
• Thousand Oaks, Calif.— Glock 21 .45-caliber pistol and several
high-capacity ammunition magazines killed 12.
• Pittsburgh, Pa.— AR-15-styleweapon killed 11 worshipers. The
deadliest anti-Semitic attack committed against the Jewish
community in America.
• Parkland, Fla.— M&P15 AR-15 military style rifle; killed 17
students and educators.
• Sutherland Springs, Texas— Ruger AR-556 Rifle; killed 26
churchgoers.
• Las Vegas, Nev.—Shooter with more than 20 assault style weapons
and 12 bump-fire stocks killed 58 people and wound over 500 others.
• Orlando, Fla.— Sig Sauer MCX assault rifle killed 49 and wounded
58. The deadliest incident of violence against LGBT people in our
nation’s history.
• Newtown, Conn.— Bushmaster semiautomatic assault killed 26
people including 20 children.
• Aurora, Colo.— Smith & Wesson M&P15 semiautomatic assaultstyle rifle with a 100-round ammunition drum and other firearms
killed 12 people and injured 58.

https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/115244/documents/HHRG-117-JU08-202212...

None of those are “Assault’’ rifles , please go and learn what an assault rifle is, then come back and admit you were mistaken and we can go from there.

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #181 - Nov 18^th, 2024 at 5:46pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 5:18pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 3:01pm:

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Those were not assault weapons

Bullshit!!!

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Examples of mass shootings involving assault weapons
and/or large capacity magazines
• Uvalde, Texas— AR-15-style weapon killed 19 children; 2 teachers
• Buffalo, New York— AR-15-style rifle killed 10 shoppers
• Boulder, Colorado—Ruger AR-556 semi-automatic killed 10
people including a police officer
• Dayton, Ohio— AR-15-style weapon equipped with a 100-round
ammunition magazine to kill nine people and injure over 25 others
in less than 30 seconds at a local bar
• El Paso, Texas— AK-47-style weapon killed 22 at a Walmart.
• Gilroy, Calif.— AK-47-style weapon wounded 17 and killed three
including a 13-year-old girl and 6-year-old
• Thousand Oaks, Calif.— Glock 21 .45-caliber pistol and several
high-capacity ammunition magazines killed 12.
• Pittsburgh, Pa.— AR-15-styleweapon killed 11 worshipers. The
deadliest anti-Semitic attack committed against the Jewish
community in America.
• Parkland, Fla.— M&P15 AR-15 military style rifle; killed 17
students and educators.
• Sutherland Springs, Texas— Ruger AR-556 Rifle; killed 26
churchgoers.
• Las Vegas, Nev.—Shooter with more than 20 assault style weapons
and 12 bump-fire stocks killed 58 people and wound over 500 others.
• Orlando, Fla.— Sig Sauer MCX assault rifle killed 49 and wounded
58. The deadliest incident of violence against LGBT people in our
nation’s history.
• Newtown, Conn.— Bushmaster semiautomatic assault killed 26
people including 20 children.
• Aurora, Colo.— Smith & Wesson M&P15 semiautomatic assaultstyle rifle with a 100-round ammunition drum and other firearms
killed 12 people and injured 58.

https://www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/115244/documents/HHRG-117-JU08-202212...

None of those are “Assault’’ rifles , please go and learn what an assault rifle is, then come back and admit you were mistaken and we can go from there.

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #182 - Nov 18^th, 2024 at 6:02pm

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"The original version of this story incorrectly described the gun used in the Orlando shooting. It was a Sig Sauer MCX, a semiautomatic assault style rifle that is similar in appearance and capabilities to the better-known AR-15."

https://time.com/4366658/orlando-shooting-gun-control/

So another NOT an assault rifle. Assault riflers are automatic not semi-automatic.

So what was the AK-47 "Assault style rifle"? Semi-suto or auto?

"While some AK-47 style rifles offer full-automatic firing capability, many civilian models are semi-automatic, which means they fire one round per trigger pull."

https://thegunzone.com/what-is-an-ak-47-style-rifle/

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 2236 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #183 - Nov 18^th, 2024 at 6:59pm Phil, You started off saying ‘’assault weapons’’ now you’ve been talking about‘’assault style’’ weapons , confused are you? The USA’s murder rate is on the low side, why are you ignoring all those countries with a much higher murder rate and much tougher gun laws?
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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #184 - Nov 19^th, 2024 at 8:56am

What is an assault rifle?

An Assault rifle is a weapon taking a medium power round and which has either full automatic or burst fire capability plus semiautomatic

An assault style rifle is built after the style of an assault rifle and has the same capabilities otherwise it’s not in the style.

If it is semiautomatic onLy then it is not an assault rifle.

It helps if everyone talks about the same thing.

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Reply #185 - Nov 19^th, 2024 at 10:02am

Educate yourselves....The United States has a gun problem they refuse to address!!!

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On gun violence, the United States is an outlier

When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first.

https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-un...

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How firearm ownership compares globally

The United States is the only nation in the world where civilian guns outnumber people.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/26/world/us-gun-culture-world-comparison-intl-cm...

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #186 - Nov 19^th, 2024 at 3:53pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19^th, 2024 at 10:02am:

Educate yourselves....The United States has a gun problem they refuse to address!!!

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On gun violence, the United States is an outlier

When we look exclusively at high-income countries and territories with populations of 10 million or more, the US ranks first.

why on earth would we look exclusively at high income countries?
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-un...

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How firearm ownership compares globally

The United States is the only nation in the world where civilian guns outnumber people.

Quite correct , then if the guns are the problem why do other countries with less guns have more murders?
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/26/world/us-gun-culture-world-comparison-intl-cm...

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 2236 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #187 - Nov 19^th, 2024 at 5:42pm Hey! Phil, Where’s all those assault rifles? Why do we need tougher gun laws? Why does the NFA ban sheath knives and is a knife a sheath knife if one takes away the sheath?
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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #188 - Nov 26^th, 2024 at 10:05am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 19^th, 2024 at 5:42pm:

Hey! Phil,
Where’s all those assault rifles?
Why do we need tougher gun laws?
Why does the NFA ban sheath knives and is a knife a sheath knife if one takes away the sheath?

Come on Phil, give us the benefit of your knowledge and whilst you’re at it you could tell us why, with such success of the gun laws WA needs to go further out of step with the rest of Australia?

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 2236 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #190 - Nov 26^th, 2024 at 11:01am Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 10:30am: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Thank you, Brian, for that incite full observation, but the halitosis is getting worse.
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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #191 - Nov 26^th, 2024 at 11:17am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 19^th, 2024 at 5:42pm:

Hey! Phil,
Where’s all those assault rifles?
Why do we need tougher gun laws?
Why does the NFA ban sheath knives and is a knife a sheath knife if one takes away the sheath?

Come on Phil, give us the benefit of your knowledge and whilst you’re at it you could tell us why, with such success of the gun laws WA needs to go further out of step with the rest of Australia?

What is an AK47....American's allow weapons not available in Western Australia to be purchased without a background check and have a serious gun problem....America exports most of the guns used in wars and by criminal gangs accross the Carribean and South America....American's can kill eachother and their children and deny there is a problem but do not try to equate Western Australian gun laws with the insanity that takes place in America....Western Australian's are quite happy with our gun laws and we do not need Yanks claiming we have a problem....Dickhead!!!

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41839	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #192 - Nov 26^th, 2024 at 12:11pm Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 11:01am: Brian Ross wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 10:30am: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Thank you, Brian, for that incite full observation, but the halitosis is getting worse.
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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #193 - Nov 26^th, 2024 at 12:56pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 11:17am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 10:05am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 19^th, 2024 at 5:42pm:

Hey! Phil,
Where’s all those assault rifles?
Why do we need tougher gun laws?
Why does the NFA ban sheath knives and is a knife a sheath knife if one takes away the sheath?

Come on Phil, give us the benefit of your knowledge and whilst you’re at it you could tell us why, with such success of the gun laws WA needs to go further out of step with the rest of Australia?

What is an AK47....American's allow weapons not available in Western Australia to be purchased without a background check and have a serious gun problem....America exports most of the guns used in wars and by criminal gangs accross the Carribean and South America....American's can kill eachother and their children and deny there is a problem but do not try to equate Western Australian gun laws with the insanity that takes place in America....Western Australian's are quite happy with our gun laws and we do not need Yanks claiming we have a problem....Dickhead!!!

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Can’t answer the questions, I’m not surprised.

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #194 - Nov 26^th, 2024 at 1:22pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 11:17am:

.Western Australian's are quite happy with our gun laws and we do not need Yanks claiming we have a problem.

Or you for that matter. The existing gun laws don't need changing. Wink