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Reply #240 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:05pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:57pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 11:39am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 2:30pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 26^th, 2024 at 2:08pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 6:59pm:

Phil,
You started off saying ‘’assault weapons’’ now you’ve been talking about‘’assault style’’ weapons , confused are you?

The USA’s murder rate is on the low side, why are you ignoring all those countries with a much higher murder rate and much tougher gun laws?

I am talking about WA not some third world country flooded with guns from America....

Why do you compare America with war zones and third world countries instead on the top OECD countries in the world like Australia

....Are you seriously claiming WA's gun laws are a problem whilst defending the carnage in America with third world war zones....You really are that stupid???

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Because murder is a moral not an income based matter.
With such a low murder rate and such a low gun related crime rate why does WA need tougher gun laws?

Why if a person owns 10 reproductions of antique firearms why are they not allowed an eleventh, that one being a repro, say, of an English musket of 1537; a copy of Henry VIII’s breech loading matchlock gun.

Seems a bit stupid, but then the WA Government having made it impossible for criminals to get modern firearms, perhaps they [the other criminals] will turn to the technology of 1537.

Olay....You are complaining that the WA Government have made it impossible for criminals to get modern firearms....What is the problem with making it harder for criminals to get modern firearms ya dickhead???

Huh

Phil,
You seem to have as much comprehension of sarcasm as you do of logic

Your claim...."the WA Government having made it impossible for criminals to get modern firearms"....What is the problem with making it harder for criminals to get modern firearms ya dickhead???

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Do please grow up, your understanding of English and its quirks, is becoming tedious, no wonder you were in High School till an adult.

If you are going to quote someone use the full quote, to do otherwise is dishonest.

The whole idea of having strong gun laws is to prevent them getting into the hands of criminals and the mentaly ill....Unlike America were guns are easy to purchase....WA gun laws are supported by the majority of the public....What is your point???

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #241 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:15pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:05pm:

The whole idea of having strong gun laws is to prevent them getting into the hands of criminals and the mentaly ill..

Strong gun laws will NOT stop criminals having guns. You have heard of black markets haven't you? The "mentally ill"? You mean a once a year check, not necessarily at the time of a stressor? If they can actually find the necessary psych personnel. Roll Eyes

"However, criminals use the grey market and dark web to traffick illegal weapons for use in criminal activity. This is a serious national threat and a significant safety concern for the Australian community."

https://www.afp.gov.au/crimes/illegal-firearms-and-weapons
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:05pm:

WA gun laws are supported by the majority of the public..

Do you have a reference for that? What was/were the question(s) asked? Did they actually know the wording of the legislation? What was/wasn't banned?

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Reply #242 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:37pm

lee wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 4:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 3:19pm:

Laws are also designed to punish wrong-doers, Lee. I take it that you just want criminals to get off scott-free?

The question is about the new laws. Are they necessary? What about the 100,000 psych evals each year, when we apparently have a mental health crisis, where people in need can't get in?

Now all you have to do is show where I even intimated criminals should get off scot-free. But you can perhaps show me where the new laws will prevent criminals getting guns?

By your wording, where you complain about the adequacy of the new laws, Lee. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17614 Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #243 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:47pm Brian Ross wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:37pm: By your wording, where you complain about the adequacy of the new laws, Lee. So you failed at reading between the lines. Who knew? I notice you didn't actually say how the new laws would WORK. or should that be
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Reply #245 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:16pm

Phil,

‘’ The whole idea of having strong gun laws is to prevent them getting into the hands of criminals and the mentaly ill....Unlike America were guns are easy to purchase....WA gun laws are supported by the majority of the public....What is your point???’’

But you recently said that WA is a peaceful, law abiding State because of the gun laws, but that could only apply to the previous laws there hasn’t really been time enough to test the efficacy of the new laws, so if everything was hunky dory, why are the new laws needed?

The only thing that I can see is that the politicians want to be seen to be doing something, even if thar something is stupid.

Perhaps you can tell us why some people with access to firearms in WA are not subject to mental health checks?

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Reply #246 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:35pm

Seems not everyone is happy with WA’s great gun laws.
‘’ Among the regulatory changes to be introduced in March 2025 is mandatory firearms training for anyone applying for a gun license, as well as all owners having to undergo a regular health assessment with a doctor.

The RACGP’s WA faculty has participated in the Health Assessment Working Group since its development last year, advocating on behalf of the state’s GPs, mindful of the precedent the laws set for other jurisdictions.

In a letter to WA Police Minister Paul Papalia, the college said while it values community safety and is ‘100% behind’ the need for responsible firearms ownership, it has several significant concerns about the law’s impact on GPs.

This includes the ‘unrealistic burdens’ the assessment could place on GPs.

RACGP WA Chair Dr Ramya Raman said it must be ensured that GPs ‘are not being dealt an unfair hand’ through these assessments.

She said she is especially concerned about the law’s potential medico-legal consequences.

‘This includes to what extent a GP will be held responsible if their assessment leads to a determination of fitness to hold a licence and the patient goes on to commit a serious crime,’ Dr Raman said. ’’

The Doctors have many valid concerns and rightly so. Particularly where they raise a concern that a doctor, who has never met the patient before will be called upon to make a mental assessment and so far the Government has not seen fit to give doctors immunity from prosecution over wrongassessments.

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Reply #247 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:43pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:16pm:

Phil,

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‘’ The whole idea of having strong gun laws is to prevent them getting into the hands of criminals and the mentaly ill....Unlike America were guns are easy to purchase....WA gun laws are supported by the majority of the public....What is your point???’’

But you recently said that WA is a peaceful, law abiding State because of the gun laws, but that could only apply to the previous laws there hasn’t really been time enough to test the efficacy of the new laws, so if everything was hunky dory, why are the new laws needed?

The only thing that I can see is that the politicians want to be seen to be doing something, even if thar something is stupid.

Perhaps you can tell us why some people with access to firearms in WA are not subject to mental health checks?

I had no idea people could purchase a firearm in WA without a mental health check....Do you have any details to share???

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #248 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 7:02pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:43pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:16pm:

Phil,

Quote:

‘’ The whole idea of having strong gun laws is to prevent them getting into the hands of criminals and the mentaly ill....Unlike America were guns are easy to purchase....WA gun laws are supported by the majority of the public....What is your point???’’

But you recently said that WA is a peaceful, law abiding State because of the gun laws, but that could only apply to the previous laws there hasn’t really been time enough to test the efficacy of the new laws, so if everything was hunky dory, why are the new laws needed?

The only thing that I can see is that the politicians want to be seen to be doing something, even if thar something is stupid.

Perhaps you can tell us why some people with access to firearms in WA are not subject to mental health checks?

I had no idea people could purchase a firearm in WA without a mental health check....Do you have any details to share???

Huh

I lookked but can’t find any.
But it is being widely said that the police will not be subject to a mental health check except if they apply for a normal firearms license.
It goes without saying that members of the military forces, many with access to fully automatic weapons will NOT be subject to the WA gun laws or mental health checks except if they apply for a licence under the act and then only to civilian type arms, a license will not impact their access to restricted types of firearms.
Soldiers have beeb shewn to be sometimes prone to mental instability especially when coming from very stressful situations.

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Reply #249 - Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 9:23pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:05pm:

The whole idea of having strong gun laws is to prevent them getting into the hands of criminals and the mentaly ill....Unlike America were guns are easy to purchase....

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NSW Police minister Troy Grant says greater than 97% of all gun crime is done by criminals with illegal guns.

How are the gun laws working to stop criminals getting guns if greater than 97% of all gun crime is done by criminals?

Police minister says it here at 1 minute 15 seconds

Criminals with illegal guns do greater than 97% of all gun crime can you cite any new laws that address criminals with guns or do politicians attack legal gun owners so bedwetters like you think they're doing something?

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Reply #250 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:52am

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 9:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:05pm:

The whole idea of having strong gun laws is to prevent them getting into the hands of criminals and the mentaly ill....Unlike America were guns are easy to purchase....

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NSW Police minister Troy Grant says greater than 97% of all gun crime is done by criminals with illegal guns.

How are the gun laws working to stop criminals getting guns if greater than 97% of all gun crime is done by criminals?

Police minister says it here at 1 minute 15 seconds

Criminals with illegal guns do greater than 97% of all gun crime can you cite any new laws that address criminals with guns or do politicians attack legal gun owners so bedwetters like you think they're doing something?

WTF does NSW have to do with WA dickhead....Australia's gun laws are working but do not let that deter you from claiming guns make people safer!!!

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Within 12 days of the Port Arthur tragedy, Australia’s Police Ministers agreed to a National Firearms Agreement that outlined a national approach to the regulation of firearms. It set out minimum standards for the safe and responsible possession, carriage, use, registration, storage, and transfer of firearms.

The Agreement affirmed that “… firearms possession and use is a privilege that is conditional on the overriding need to ensure public safety.”.

Following these gun reforms, no mass shootings occurred in the next 22 years until a tragic domestic murder-suicide in May 2018.

It is estimated that without the intervention of our gun reforms, approximately 16 mass shootings would have been expected between then and February 2018.

The evidence shows gun controls are working....It also shows that people with a small dick like Baron put there own self interest before public safety.....Gun laws are not going to be made more lenient because some dickheads believe their right to own a gun is more important than people's lives!!!

The graphs in the link provided shows Baron is a clueless piece of crap!!!

https://www.gunsafetyalliance.org.au/the-stats/

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Reply #251 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:55am

If it becomes more difficult for criminals to get common firearms then society will become more dangerous because criminals will get illegally made guns and as one of the simplest guns to make is a sub machine gun then the danger becomes greater.

For an example see Australia’s own Owen Gun., arguably the best example used in WWII.

Restrict ammunition, impossible because all the ingredients to manufacture primers and powder are available from your local supermarket.

And no Government in the world, no matter their political outlook can stop the acquisition of potassium nitrate, the main and explosive ingredient of black and of brown gun powder.

Potassium chlorate, used as an ignition agent in primers can be made from a common household item that sits on the shelf in the supermarket.

Just Google it, the net is a mine of information.

Best of luck in curbing criminal acquisition of firearms.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 2236 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #252 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:00am ‘’ Following these gun reforms, no mass shootings occurred in the next 22 years until a tragic domestic murder-suicide in May 2018.’’ True, but mainly because in Australia the definition of a mass shooting was changed to make the figures look better.
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Reply #253 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:13am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:00am:

‘’ Following these gun reforms, no mass shootings occurred in the next 22 years until a tragic domestic murder-suicide in May 2018.’’

True, but mainly because in Australia the definition of a mass shooting was changed to make the figures look better.

Bullshit.....The stats show that gun crime has decreased dramaticly since Port Arthur including mass shootings....Total gun deaths have declined which makes your claim bullshit....What stats to mass shootings were changed as you claim....Provide the evidence you lying piece of crap!!!

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Stats in the link showing the decline in gun violence in Australia since Port Arthur....
https://www.gunsafetyalliance.org.au/the-stats/

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17614 Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #254 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 12:42pm philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:13am: .The stats show that gun crime has decreased dramaticly since Port Arthur including mass shootings.. Which has NOTHING to do with the NEW gun laws.
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