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Reply #256 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 1:13pm

"The 1996-97 National Firearms Agreement (NFA) in Australia introduced strict gun laws, primarily as a reaction to the mass shooting in Port Arthur, Tasmania in 1996, where 35 people were killed. Despite the fact that several researchers using the same data have examined the impact of the NFA on firearm deaths, a consensus does not appear to have been reached. In this paper, we re-analyze the same data on firearm deaths used in previous research, using tests for unknown structural breaks as a means to identifying impacts of the NFA. The results of these tests suggest that the NFA did not have any large effects on reducing firearm homicide or suicide rates.".

https://melbourneinstitute.unimelb.edu.au/publications/working-papers/search/res...

Police officers don't "own" their issued weapons, therefore they don't have to have mental health checks, despite gun suicide. Roll Eyes

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Reply #257 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:14pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:43pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 6:16pm:

Phil,

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‘’ The whole idea of having strong gun laws is to prevent them getting into the hands of criminals and the mentaly ill....Unlike America were guns are easy to purchase....WA gun laws are supported by the majority of the public....What is your point???’’

But you recently said that WA is a peaceful, law abiding State because of the gun laws, but that could only apply to the previous laws there hasn’t really been time enough to test the efficacy of the new laws, so if everything was hunky dory, why are the new laws needed?

The only thing that I can see is that the politicians want to be seen to be doing something, even if thar something is stupid.

Perhaps you can tell us why some people with access to firearms in WA are not subject to mental health checks?

I had no idea people could purchase a firearm in WA without a mental health check....Do you have any details to share???

Huh

Who said ‘purchase’?
Access was the word that I used.
Apparently WA Police will not be subject to the new mental health check laws, so there’s a glaring loophole.
Don’t the WA police get involved in crime analysis and investigation or get depressed or have other mental reactions to some of the horrors of murder investigations?
I’d think that they do, and suffer the consequences as do police officers in other jurisdictions.

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Reply #258 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:19pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:13am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:00am:

‘’ Following these gun reforms, no mass shootings occurred in the next 22 years until a tragic domestic murder-suicide in May 2018.’’

True, but mainly because in Australia the definition of a mass shooting was changed to make the figures look better.

Bullshit.....The stats show that gun crime has decreased dramaticly since Port Arthur including mass shootings....Total gun deaths have declined which makes your claim bullshit....What stats to mass shootings were changed as you claim....Provide the evidence you lying piece of crap!!!

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Stats in the link showing the decline in gun violence in Australia since Port Arthur....
https://www.gunsafetyalliance.org.au/the-stats/

In Australia the requisite number went up from the US requirement of 3 deaths to 4bin Australia.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2232 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #259 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:23pm On the NFA. How can it be an agreement if those agreeing can change their minds at any time without consultation?
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Reply #260 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 6:39pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:52am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 9:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2024 at 5:05pm:

The whole idea of having strong gun laws is to prevent them getting into the hands of criminals and the mentaly ill....Unlike America were guns are easy to purchase....

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NSW Police minister Troy Grant says greater than 97% of all gun crime is done by criminals with illegal guns.

How are the gun laws working to stop criminals getting guns if greater than 97% of all gun crime is done by criminals?

Police minister says it here at 1 minute 15 seconds

Criminals with illegal guns do greater than 97% of all gun crime can you cite any new laws that address criminals with guns or do politicians attack legal gun owners so bedwetters like you think they're doing something?

WTF does NSW have to do with WA dickhead....Australia's gun laws are working but do not let that deter you from claiming guns make people safer!!!

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Within 12 days of the Port Arthur tragedy, Australia’s Police Ministers agreed to a National Firearms Agreement that outlined a national approach to the regulation of firearms. It set out minimum standards for the safe and responsible possession, carriage, use, registration, storage, and transfer of firearms.

The Agreement affirmed that “… firearms possession and use is a privilege that is conditional on the overriding need to ensure public safety.”.

Following these gun reforms, no mass shootings occurred in the next 22 years until a tragic domestic murder-suicide in May 2018.

It is estimated that without the intervention of our gun reforms, approximately 16 mass shootings would have been expected between then and February 2018.

The evidence shows gun controls are working....It also shows that people with a small dick like Baron put there own self interest before public safety.....Gun laws are not going to be made more lenient because some dickheads believe their right to own a gun is more important than people's lives!!!

The graphs in the link provided shows Baron is a clueless piece of crap!!!

https://www.gunsafetyalliance.org.au/the-stats/

WA has firearm registration like NSW they would have statistics on criminal vs legal ownership of firearms used in crimes.
I wonder why WA never releases this data would it be similar to NSW and Canada who release this data?. Roll Eyes

Our 1996 laws were drafted by Keating/Hawke government they were never implemented because gun laws are a state issue. Howard threatened to with hold GST if states didn't agree.
This is why it only took 12 days.

We have had mass shootings since 1996 i consider Monash university a mass shooting despite it not meeting Simon Chapmans definition which needs 5 or more killed for mass shooting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monash_University_shooting

There is no credible evidence our 1996 gun laws did anything to reduce firearm deaths which were declining since 1980.
Is ABS credible source does their data show military style semi autos which we banned in 1996 were used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995.
https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/productsbyCatalogue/9C85BD1298C075EACA2...

Phil the bedwetter thinks we have been made safer by banning a type of gun used in just over 1% of all firearm deaths from 1980-1995 with our 1996 laws. Roll Eyes

There is no credible evidence our 1996 gun laws had any impact on reducing firearm deaths or mass shootings.

Phil reckons this guy has no credibility Grin

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2232 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #261 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 7:46pm Thanks for that, Baron, I’ve8 been looking for it. Perhaps Phil wiil now give us the benefit of his vast knowledge and explain where Dr Don Weatherburn NSW Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research.is wrong. Brian may also like to assist, that is if he hasn’t gone to sleep yet.
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Reply #262 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:04pm

Phil,
Perhaps you will be able to tell us how the 2024 gun laws will be able to stop criminals from getting chemicals for firearm purposes from supermarkets?

Or how the WA Government can stop all access to the raw material to make Potassium Nitrate, that basic and very necessary ingredient for gunpowder. both as a propellant and a general explosive, such as Blasting Powder.

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Reply #263 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:09pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:04pm:

Phil,
Perhaps you will be able to tell us how the 2024 gun laws will be able to stop criminals from getting chemicals for firearm purposes from supermarkets?

Or how the WA Government can stop all access to the raw material to make Potassium Nitrate, that basic and very necessary ingredient for gunpowder. both as a propellant and a general explosive, such as Blasting Powder.

You want tougher laws which I would support....Less guns and dangerous chemicals is a good thing!!!

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Reply #264 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:17pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:09pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:04pm:

Phil,
Perhaps you will be able to tell us how the 2024 gun laws will be able to stop criminals from getting chemicals for firearm purposes from supermarkets?

Or how the WA Government can stop all access to the raw material to make Potassium Nitrate, that basic and very necessary ingredient for gunpowder. both as a propellant and a general explosive, such as Blasting Powder.

You want tougher laws which I would support....Less guns and dangerous chemicals is a good thing!!!

Smiley

Are you OK with copying the gun law in Massachusetts USA which gives mandatory 2 year jail term for illegal possession of a firearm?

Licensed firearm owners have been saying we need this type of law for years.
labor Liberals and the Greens rejected Shooters Fishers and Farmers bill for tougher laws that target criminals with guns.

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Reply #265 - Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:17pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:09pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:04pm:

Phil,
Perhaps you will be able to tell us how the 2024 gun laws will be able to stop criminals from getting chemicals for firearm purposes from supermarkets?

Or how the WA Government can stop all access to the raw material to make Potassium Nitrate, that basic and very necessary ingredient for gunpowder. both as a propellant and a general explosive, such as Blasting Powder.

You want tougher laws which I would support....Less guns and dangerous chemicals is a good thing!!!

Smiley

Yes, but how will the WA Government ban getting potassium nitrate, an admittedly essential component of gun powder and blasting powder.

Blasting powder is used by terrorists.

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Reply #266 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:42am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:09pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:04pm:

Phil,
Perhaps you will be able to tell us how the 2024 gun laws will be able to stop criminals from getting chemicals for firearm purposes from supermarkets?

Or how the WA Government can stop all access to the raw material to make Potassium Nitrate, that basic and very necessary ingredient for gunpowder. both as a propellant and a general explosive, such as Blasting Powder.

You want tougher laws which I would support....Less guns and dangerous chemicals is a good thing!!!

Smiley

Yes, but how will the WA Government ban getting potassium nitrate, an admittedly essential component of gun powder and blasting powder.

Blasting powder is used by terrorists.

Where have terrorists used blasting powder in Australia to kill anyone???

Huh

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Reply #267 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:28am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:42am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:09pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:04pm:

Phil,
Perhaps you will be able to tell us how the 2024 gun laws will be able to stop criminals from getting chemicals for firearm purposes from supermarkets?

Or how the WA Government can stop all access to the raw material to make Potassium Nitrate, that basic and very necessary ingredient for gunpowder. both as a propellant and a general explosive, such as Blasting Powder.

You want tougher laws which I would support....Less guns and dangerous chemicals is a good thing!!!

Smiley

Yes, but how will the WA Government ban getting potassium nitrate, an admittedly essential component of gun powder and blasting powder.

Blasting powder is used by terrorists.

Where have terrorists used blasting powder in Australia to kill anyone???

Huh

Nowhere yet, but-the POTENTIAL is there, the same potential that the wacky WA Government see in their citizens who wish to own firearms.

No comment on the Government not trying to control the availability of Potassium Nitrate , without which it is impossible to make black gunpowder?

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Reply #268 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:42am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:42am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:09pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:04pm:

Phil,
Perhaps you will be able to tell us how the 2024 gun laws will be able to stop criminals from getting chemicals for firearm purposes from supermarkets?

Or how the WA Government can stop all access to the raw material to make Potassium Nitrate, that basic and very necessary ingredient for gunpowder. both as a propellant and a general explosive, such as Blasting Powder.

You want tougher laws which I would support....Less guns and dangerous chemicals is a good thing!!!

Smiley

Yes, but how will the WA Government ban getting potassium nitrate, an admittedly essential component of gun powder and blasting powder.

Blasting powder is used by terrorists.

Where have terrorists used blasting powder in Australia to kill anyone???

Huh

Nowhere yet, but-the POTENTIAL is there, the same potential that the wacky WA Government see in their citizens who wish to own firearms.

No comment on the Government not trying to control the availability of Potassium Nitrate , without which it is impossible to make black gunpowder?

So there has never been a terrorist attack in Australia using Potassium Nitrate yet you claim there is potential for an atack in the future....The reason firearms are restricted and regulated to avoid potential threats now and in the future that are real not fabricated....You seam to advocate for everything to be banned or regulated accept firearms....So no terrorist attacks using Potassium Nitrate anywhere in Australia yet you claim there is a problem....You really are a dickhead!!!

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Reply #269 - Dec 4^th, 2024 at 2:05pm

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:42am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 9:28am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 4^th, 2024 at 7:42am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:17pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:09pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2024 at 8:04pm:

Phil,
Perhaps you will be able to tell us how the 2024 gun laws will be able to stop criminals from getting chemicals for firearm purposes from supermarkets?

Or how the WA Government can stop all access to the raw material to make Potassium Nitrate, that basic and very necessary ingredient for gunpowder. both as a propellant and a general explosive, such as Blasting Powder.

You want tougher laws which I would support....Less guns and dangerous chemicals is a good thing!!!

Smiley

Yes, but how will the WA Government ban getting potassium nitrate, an admittedly essential component of gun powder and blasting powder.

Blasting powder is used by terrorists.

Where have terrorists used blasting powder in Australia to kill anyone???

Huh

Nowhere yet, but-the POTENTIAL is there, the same potential that the wacky WA Government see in their citizens who wish to own firearms.

No comment on the Government not trying to control the availability of Potassium Nitrate , without which it is impossible to make black gunpowder?

So there has never been a terrorist attack in Australia using Potassium Nitrate yet you claim there is potential for an atack in the future....The reason firearms are restricted and regulated to avoid potential threats now and in the future that are real not fabricated....You seam to advocate for everything to be banned or regulated accept firearms....So no terrorist attacks using Potassium Nitrate anywhere in Australia yet you claim there is a problem....You really are a dickhead!!!

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And you, dear Phil, have a problem with English language comprehension.
Every explosive or component ingredient thereof has potential for terrorist use [and we’ll include firearms] so why do YOU think that the Government doesn’t ban potassium nitrate, an essential ingredient in black gunpowder and blasting powder?

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