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Sir Eoin O Fada

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #30 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 9:46am

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 8:13am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 7:07pm:

Just read a legal opinion on the WA gun laws and it seems that the health provisions, which include mental health only apply to firearm licence holders and as the WA police do not have to hold a license for their service pistols and other firearms then they are not subject to the mental health provisions.

The new laws have been likened to the gun laws of Nazi Germany.

Who by....You???

Care to post a link to support this argument and let us know exactly who is comparing WA gun laws to Nazi Germany???

Huh

Care to highlight the bit about police not being subject to the same laws as other firearms users?
The references to Nazi Germany have come up here and there but don’t worry they were not derogatory to the Nazis.

Care to comment on the bloke who had to give up his 1720 replica musket and how that makes WA a safer place?

Good to see you quoting experts on mental health
“CEO, Trevor Whittington, said the organisation welcomed the move and called it a "responsible step forward" that would "hopefully help reduce self-inflicted firearm suicides and God forbid a mass murder".

"Firearms like explosives or aircraft in the wrong hands are potential weapons of mass destruction," he said.”

Let’s hope that he’s just as good at farming.

He seems to be having problems with English too, it’s a little known fact that all suicides are self inflicted.

Perhaps you could ask him about how reducing the number of 1720 flintlock muskets will stop a mass murder or, Heaven forbid, mass destruction.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2257 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #31 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:04am 1620 muskets are affected as well, these horrendous weapons are available as reproductions also. https://www.militaryheritage.com/musket16.htm
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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #32 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:18am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 9:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 8:13am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 7:07pm:

Just read a legal opinion on the WA gun laws and it seems that the health provisions, which include mental health only apply to firearm licence holders and as the WA police do not have to hold a license for their service pistols and other firearms then they are not subject to the mental health provisions.

The new laws have been likened to the gun laws of Nazi Germany.

Who by....You???

Care to post a link to support this argument and let us know exactly who is comparing WA gun laws to Nazi Germany???

Huh

Care to highlight the bit about police not being subject to the same laws as other firearms users?
The references to Nazi Germany have come up here and there but don’t worry they were not derogatory to the Nazis.

Care to comment on the bloke who had to give up his 1720 replica musket and how that makes WA a safer place?

Good to see you quoting experts on mental health
“CEO, Trevor Whittington, said the organisation welcomed the move and called it a "responsible step forward" that would "hopefully help reduce self-inflicted firearm suicides and God forbid a mass murder".

"Firearms like explosives or aircraft in the wrong hands are potential weapons of mass destruction," he said.”

Let’s hope that he’s just as good at farming.

He seems to be having problems with English too, it’s a little known fact that all suicides are self inflicted.

Perhaps you could ask him about how reducing the number of 1720 flintlock muskets will stop a mass murder or, Heaven forbid, mass destruction.

You made a bullshit claim!!!

Quote:

The new laws have been likened to the gun laws of Nazi Germany.

All I asked was for you to support your claim which you cannot....You really are pathetic and stupid!!!

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Sir Eoin O Fada

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #33 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:22am

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:18am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 9:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 8:13am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 7:07pm:

Just read a legal opinion on the WA gun laws and it seems that the health provisions, which include mental health only apply to firearm licence holders and as the WA police do not have to hold a license for their service pistols and other firearms then they are not subject to the mental health provisions.

The new laws have been likened to the gun laws of Nazi Germany.

Who by....You???

Care to post a link to support this argument and let us know exactly who is comparing WA gun laws to Nazi Germany???

Huh

Care to highlight the bit about police not being subject to the same laws as other firearms users?
The references to Nazi Germany have come up here and there but don’t worry they were not derogatory to the Nazis.

Care to comment on the bloke who had to give up his 1720 replica musket and how that makes WA a safer place?

Good to see you quoting experts on mental health
“CEO, Trevor Whittington, said the organisation welcomed the move and called it a "responsible step forward" that would "hopefully help reduce self-inflicted firearm suicides and God forbid a mass murder".

"Firearms like explosives or aircraft in the wrong hands are potential weapons of mass destruction," he said.”

Let’s hope that he’s just as good at farming.

He seems to be having problems with English too, it’s a little known fact that all suicides are self inflicted.

Perhaps you could ask him about how reducing the number of 1720 flintlock muskets will stop a mass murder or, Heaven forbid, mass destruction.

You made a bullshit claim!!!

Quote:

The new laws have been likened to the gun laws of Nazi Germany.

All I asked was for you to support your claim which you cannot....You really are pathetic and stupid!!!

Roll Eyes

You’ve got me, Phil, fair and square, search as I might I can’t find a reference.
Now having got that out of the way, perhaps you could answer my questions?

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #34 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:29am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:18am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 9:46am:

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 8:13am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 7:07pm:

Just read a legal opinion on the WA gun laws and it seems that the health provisions, which include mental health only apply to firearm licence holders and as the WA police do not have to hold a license for their service pistols and other firearms then they are not subject to the mental health provisions.

The new laws have been likened to the gun laws of Nazi Germany.

Who by....You???

Care to post a link to support this argument and let us know exactly who is comparing WA gun laws to Nazi Germany???

Huh

Care to highlight the bit about police not being subject to the same laws as other firearms users?
The references to Nazi Germany have come up here and there but don’t worry they were not derogatory to the Nazis.

Care to comment on the bloke who had to give up his 1720 replica musket and how that makes WA a safer place?

Good to see you quoting experts on mental health
“CEO, Trevor Whittington, said the organisation welcomed the move and called it a "responsible step forward" that would "hopefully help reduce self-inflicted firearm suicides and God forbid a mass murder".

"Firearms like explosives or aircraft in the wrong hands are potential weapons of mass destruction," he said.”

Let’s hope that he’s just as good at farming.

He seems to be having problems with English too, it’s a little known fact that all suicides are self inflicted.

Perhaps you could ask him about how reducing the number of 1720 flintlock muskets will stop a mass murder or, Heaven forbid, mass destruction.

You made a bullshit claim!!!

Quote:

The new laws have been likened to the gun laws of Nazi Germany.

All I asked was for you to support your claim which you cannot....You really are pathetic and stupid!!!

Roll Eyes

You’ve got me, Phil, fair and square, search as I might I can’t find a reference.
Now having got that out of the way, perhaps you could answer my questions?

What question....The rules are the same for everyone...If you are restricted to owning 10 muskets because of the law then that is all you can collect....If you fail to meet the criteria for owning a weapon that is the law....The agreement sets a minimum standard and States can enforce any laws they want that do not breach those minimum standards....Your whole argument was bullshit from the start!!!

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #35 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:44am

Also not allowed in WA if over the limit are reproductions of

“ The earliest form of matchlock in Europe appeared by 1411 and in the Ottoman Empire by 1425.[9] This early arquebus was a hand cannon with a serpentine lever to hold matches.[10] However this early arquebus did not have the matchlock mechanism traditionally associated with the weapon. The exact dating of the matchlock addition is disputed. The first references to the use of what may have been matchlock arquebuses (tüfek) by the Janissary corps of the Ottoman Army date them from 1394 to 1465”
From Wikipedia.

Imagine if you will, a criminalp sneaking up in the darkness of night, with deadly intent, matchlock musket at the ready with the glowing match cord like an evil red eye peering.
Not allowing a reproduction of one of these,over the limit will indeed make us all safer.

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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #36 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 11:00am

So, in the enlightened State of Western Australia, ifo you w7yant to own a reproduction of an early 15th Century gun and you already are at the limit of 10 firearms then you must get rid of one of them to make way for it.

But be not discouraged, by doing so you will be helping to make WA a safer State, and helping to reduce the number of “self inflicted “ suicides.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2257 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #37 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 11:22am Just been reading the WA Firearms Act 2024 and found this “(2) The objects of the Act are as follow (a). . . . (i) to facilitate a nationally consistent approach to the control of firearms” Well, that’s good to know
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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42114	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #38 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 12:19pm Gun nuts. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2257 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #39 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 12:44pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 12:19pm: https://imageshack.com/a/img641/9394/yawnr.gif Gun nuts. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Brian, I wondered when you’d drop in with a well thought out response, not disappointed.
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Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement
Reply #40 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 1:31pm

Here’s a bit more information from WA

“Why are numerical limits being proposed?
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How will numerical limits influence public safety?
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Rationalising the number of firearms in the community will contribute to public safety by reducing the potential impact of theft from licence holders.‘

That’s logical, impose restrictions on the law abiding to frustrate the criminals.
Perhaps this could be extended to liquor stores and.the amount of jewels or gold bars a person may own.

WA Government definition of ‘logic’
‘’That which pertains to felled trees; the logging industry.”

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2257 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #41 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 4:28pm Unequivocal statement: firearms ownership is a fundamental right not a privilege as asserted by people with scant knowledge of rights. Western Australia and the rest of the States plus the Commonwealth are denying the people their just rights,
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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42114	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #42 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 5:12pm Gun nuts. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17867 Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #43 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 5:19pm Numb nuts..tsk tsk.
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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2257 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: WA and the National Firearms Agreement Reply #44 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 6:57pm You’re repeating yourself, Brian, but why the seven minutes between posts? Does it take you so long to co-ordinate your thoughts?
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