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Reply #165 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:09pm

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/bulgaria-to-probe-company-linked-to...

Bulgaria to probe company linked to Hezbollah pagers that exploded in Lebanon

By Reuters and ToI Staff Today, 1:02 pm

Bulgaria will investigate a company linked to the sale of pagers to Lebanon’s terror group Hezbollah that exploded this week in a coordinated attack, the state security agency says.

Bulgaria’s state security agency, DANS, says in a statement that it is working with the interior ministry to probe the role of a company registered in Bulgaria, without naming it.

Bulgarian media reports allege that a Sofia-based company called Norta Global Ltd had facilitated the sale of the pagers, which exploded across Lebanon on Tuesday, killing at least 11 people and wounding 4,000.

The pagers had been distributed by Hezbollah to its members, and they exploded in a coordinated attack allegedly carried out by Israel.

Reuters was not immediately able to confirm the link to Norta. Company officials did not immediately respond to requests for comment. A lawyer that registered the company at an apartment block in Sofia did not respond to Reuters questions.

Images of destroyed pagers analyzed by Reuters showed a format consistent with pagers made by Taiwan Gold Apollo.

Gold Apollo said yesterday that the pagers were made by Budapest-based BAC Consulting, and the New York Times reported that BAC Consulting was in fact a front company set up by Israeli intelligence officers.

But Hungarian news site Telex reported that the sale was actually facilitated by Norta, citing sources.

The Bulgarian state security agency says that it did not detect any shipments of the suspected pagers on Bulgarian territory

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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #166 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:11pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:08pm:

There will be a logistics trail that will lead to the perpetrators.

Logistic trails are difficult to hide.

There will also be a financial trail that will expose Mossad accounts in West-Asian Gulf states that allow Mossad to operate in their borders.

It appears at this time that Hungary is complicit in the acts of terrorism because one of the implicated entities was registered in Hungary and no announcement of arrests has been made by Hungary.

The Taiwan brand owner is also complicit because he engaged in business transactions he suspected were not legitimate.

That plot thickens.

Gold Apollo said yesterday that the pagers were made by Budapest-based BAC Consulting,

and the New York Times reported that
BAC Consulting was in fact a front company set up by Israeli intelligence officers.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20348 Perth Gender:	Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon Reply #167 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:12pm Isreal needs to be carefull they do not set off a regional war....This was an indiscriminate terrorist attack that killed and injured civilians....Nobody should support this action which makes Isreal no better than those they condemn!!!
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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #168 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:15pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Isreal needs to be carefull they do not set off a regional war....This was an indiscriminate terrorist attack that killed and injured civilians....Nobody should support this action which makes Isreal no better than those they condemn!!!

Smiley

The USA must be furious with Israel.
Every time Antony Blinken calls for a truce Israel assassinates a group of Hezbollah or Iranians
and brings the whole powder keg to a new level.

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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #169 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 7:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 7:50pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 7:41pm:

Who made those pagers and walkie talkies?

Civilian companies can't have explosives -
it's all highly illegal - it's a huge crime.
Some company in Europe did it - we have yet to find out the culprit.
The company in Hungary was just a front.
I can't wait for the police to track it all down -
it's gone all quiet.

someone in Israel must have intercepted the order to Tailwan and then placed the order from a location in Hungary as a proxy. From there they modified the items and once finished sent them to Hezbollah.

But who made them in Europe?
Many people must have known and been highly involved.
How did they get explosives?
How could factory workers even use dangerous explosives and high tech micro detonators?
Only military companies with arms export licenses
and all sorts of legislative controls could legally do that.
We're talking about 5,000 pagers alone -
and then an unknown number of walkie talkies.
Explosives are easily picked up at ports or airports so how could they have shipped them?
It's a massive operation.

Perhaps the explosives were inside some extraneous capacitors added to the board.

There would be no room for that.
It must have been a fake battery that was internally smaller than the original
and the extra room taken up with 3 grams of explosive and a micro detonator.
They would have used the battery data link for the code to set it off and
must have modified the firmware in the radio to do that.

Given that the original battery lasted for 85 days between charges -
if it still went for say 65 days then no one would notice the battery as a bit inferior.

One way would be that the special batteries loaded with explosives were substituted
at some point so that the factory workers never knew about it.
So - who made those batteries?
Were they made in Israel and sent to Europe?

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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #170 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:27pm

Gordon wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Thank you Israel for eliminating some of the worst terrorists in the world.

Yes, good job.

BEIRUT — As new reports of further devastation continued to filter in after yesterday's shocking incidents of exploding communication devices, Hezbollah leaders had begun to think they shouldn't have purchased large quantities of pagers from Levi Goldbraumstein's Pager Emporium.

The terrorist organization sustained devastating losses over the last two days, with multiple fatalities and thousands of members injured due to pagers and other electronic devices being rigged to explode. Hezbollah sources pointed the blame squarely at the devices bought from Levi Goldbraumstein's Pager Emporium.

"We probably should have seen this coming," said Hezbollah's Lead Purchasing Terrorist Adnan Musab Vaziri. "When I was given orders to procure a large quantity of pagers, I took it upon myself to find the best deal I could. In hindsight, the discount I was able to receive from Levi Goldbraumstein's Pager Emporium may not have been the best move."

Despite getting what was said to be a fantastic price on thousands of pagers, Hezbollah leaders agreed that this had been a valuable learning experience. "We'll be smarter about it next time," one high-ranking terrorist said. "We were all excited about getting a great deal on the pagers, but now, looking at my mangled and heavily bandaged leg, I can promise we'll be more willing to shop around. Also, probably no buying equipment from Jewish vendors anymore. That's a big one."

At publishing time, Hezbollah was said to be considering urging all its members to throw out all the Nintendo Gameboys they had gotten for a great price from Crazy Avi's Used Video Games.

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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #171 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:32pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Isreal needs to be carefull they do not set off a regional war....This was an indiscriminate terrorist attack that killed and injured civilians....Nobody should support this action which makes Isreal no better than those they condemn!!!

Smiley

The USA must be furious with Israel.
Every time Antony Blinken calls for a truce Israel assassinates a group of Hezbollah or Iranians
and brings the whole powder keg to a new level.

Don't attack Israel - ie don't play with fire - and you won't get burnt.

As Dubya asked years ago, ' Is our jihadist learning, insh'allah?'

No, insh'allah.

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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #173 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:38pm

Frank wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Isreal needs to be carefull they do not set off a regional war....This was an indiscriminate terrorist attack that killed and injured civilians....Nobody should support this action which makes Isreal no better than those they condemn!!!

Smiley

The USA must be furious with Israel.
Every time Antony Blinken calls for a truce Israel assassinates a group of Hezbollah or Iranians
and brings the whole powder keg to a new level.

Don't attack Israel - ie don't play with fire - and you won't get burnt.

As Dubya asked years ago, ' Is our jihadist learning, insh'allah?'

No, insh'allah.

But if 150,000 Hezbollah rockets rain down on Israel and
another 50,000 from Iran and more from Yemen then
who is going to have to fight to defend Israel?

Answer - the Americans when Israel says - please help us.

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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #175 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:41pm

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Isreal needs to be carefull they do not set off a regional war....This was an indiscriminate terrorist attack that killed and injured civilians....Nobody should support this action which makes Isreal no better than those they condemn!!!

Smiley

It is a regional war you have Yemen Iran Hezbollah to name a few attacking Israel.
Hezbollah started firing rockets into Israel on Oct 8th the day after Hamas attacked Israel over 8000 rockets have been fired into Israel.

The Sunnis hate the Shia in Iran they fought a war against Yemen they don't like Hezbollah.

It was not an indiscriminate attack Hezbollah admitted they gave pagers to their members because mobile phones aren't secure they allow Israel to pinpoint their location.

Some of the videos show people standing next to terrorists when pagers detonated they were able to run away very few civilians injured or killed.

A more precise strike against terrorists than what Israel did to Hezbollah with their pagers is physically impossible. If you're fixating on the few civilian casualties, you're essentially saying that any attempt to fight terrorists is unacceptable to you, because a war with zero civilian casualties is unrealistic. This implies you prefer terrorists to survive.

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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #176 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Isreal needs to be carefull they do not set off a regional war....This was an indiscriminate terrorist attack that killed and injured civilians....Nobody should support this action which makes Isreal no better than those they condemn!!!

Smiley

The USA must be furious with Israel.
Every time Antony Blinken calls for a truce Israel assassinates a group of Hezbollah or Iranians
and brings the whole powder keg to a new level.

Don't attack Israel - ie don't play with fire - and you won't get burnt.

As Dubya asked years ago, ' Is our jihadist learning, insh'allah?'

No, insh'allah.

But if 150,000 Hezbollah rockets rain down on Israel and
another 50,000 from Iran and more from Yemen then
who is going to have to fight to defend Israel?

Answer - the Americans when Israel says - please help us.

They have been shelling Israel for months, years.
The exploding pagers are a response to that.

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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #177 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:44pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Isreal needs to be carefull they do not set off a regional war....This was an indiscriminate terrorist attack that killed and injured civilians....Nobody should support this action which makes Isreal no better than those they condemn!!!

Smiley

It is a regional war you have Yemen Iran Hezbollah to name a few attacking Israel.
Hezbollah started firing rockets into Israel on Oct 8th the day after Hamas attacked Israel over 8000 rockets have been fired into Israel.

The Sunnis hate the Shia in Iran they fought a war against Yemen they don't like Hezbollah.

It was not an indiscriminate attack Hezbollah admitted they gave pagers to their members because mobile phones aren't secure they allow Israel to pinpoint their location.

Some of the videos show people standing next to terrorists when pagers detonated they were able to run away very few civilians injured or killed.

A more precise strike against terrorists than what Israel did to Hezbollah with their pagers is physically impossible. If you're fixating on the few civilian casualties, you're essentially saying that any attempt to fight terrorists is unacceptable to you, because a war with zero civilian casualties is unrealistic. This implies you prefer terrorists to survive.

Spot on.
But you will be vilified for being sensible.

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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #178 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:47pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:01pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 7:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 7:50pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 7:41pm:

Who made those pagers and walkie talkies?

Civilian companies can't have explosives -
it's all highly illegal - it's a huge crime.
Some company in Europe did it - we have yet to find out the culprit.
The company in Hungary was just a front.
I can't wait for the police to track it all down -
it's gone all quiet.

someone in Israel must have intercepted the order to Tailwan and then placed the order from a location in Hungary as a proxy. From there they modified the items and once finished sent them to Hezbollah.

But who made them in Europe?
Many people must have known and been highly involved.
How did they get explosives?
How could factory workers even use dangerous explosives and high tech micro detonators?
Only military companies with arms export licenses
and all sorts of legislative controls could legally do that.
We're talking about 5,000 pagers alone -
and then an unknown number of walkie talkies.
Explosives are easily picked up at ports or airports so how could they have shipped them?
It's a massive operation.

Perhaps the explosives were inside some extraneous capacitors added to the board.

There would be no room for that.
It must have been a fake battery that was internally smaller than the original
and the extra room taken up with 3 grams of explosive and a micro detonator.
They would have used the battery data link for the code to set it off and
must have modified the firmware in the radio to do that.

Given that the original battery lasted for 85 days between charges -
if it still went for say 65 days then no one would notice the battery as a bit inferior.

One way would be that the special batteries loaded with explosives were substituted
at some point so that the factory workers never knew about it.
So - who made those batteries?
Were they made in Israel and sent to Europe?

It's likely Israel intercepted pagers before delivery and modified them.

Word is 20 grams of PETN was added along with another circuit.

It leaves Hezbollah in a situation where they don't trust their communication devices they're destroying other devices they are slightly paranoid.

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Re: Hezbollah EXPLODING pager attack in Lebanon
Reply #179 - Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:53pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:41pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Sep 19^th, 2024 at 8:12pm:

Isreal needs to be carefull they do not set off a regional war....This was an indiscriminate terrorist attack that killed and injured civilians....Nobody should support this action which makes Isreal no better than those they condemn!!!

Smiley

It is a regional war you have Yemen Iran Hezbollah to name a few attacking Israel.
Hezbollah started firing rockets into Israel on Oct 8th the day after Hamas attacked Israel over 8000 rockets have been fired into Israel.

The Sunnis hate the Shia in Iran they fought a war against Yemen they don't like Hezbollah.

It was not an indiscriminate attack Hezbollah admitted they gave pagers to their members because mobile phones aren't secure they allow Israel to pinpoint their location.

Some of the videos show people standing next to terrorists when pagers detonated they were able to run away very few civilians injured or killed.

A more precise strike against terrorists than what Israel did to Hezbollah with their pagers is physically impossible. If you're fixating on the few civilian casualties, you're essentially saying that any attempt to fight terrorists is unacceptable to you, because a war with zero civilian casualties is unrealistic. This implies you prefer terrorists to survive.

Unlike you I do not support terrorism or try to justify killing civilians....Do you accept suicide bombers are a legitimate use in war or are you selective in what terrorism you support???

Huh

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