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Reply #150 - Oct 3rd, 2024 at 10:55pm
 
Setanta wrote on Oct 3rd, 2024 at 7:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 3rd, 2024 at 6:15pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 3rd, 2024 at 3:11pm:
Israel has vowed to attack Iran.

It's a worrying mission for the Israeli air force.
They would have to use air tankers to refuel their jets which are
are easy to pick up on radar from hundreds of miles away.
The Iranian air force would try to shoot the air tankers down -
which could mean the loss of all Israeli jets from no fuel.

How will Israel do it?


Iranian air force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_of_the_Iranian_Air_Force

Mikoyan MiG-29    30
Grumman F-14 Tomcat  40
McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II  64
Mirage F1     23

and many more jets that can carry modern air to air missiles.



In my opinion the mission to attack Iran can’t be done without the USA helping with F-22  fighters that
would go 400km in front of the tankers and take out any Iranian jets.
Only the Yanks have those F-22 fighters that could do the job.
They don’t sell them to any other country.


Don't forget Israel’s F-15I Ra’am: The Fighter Jet with Unmatched Range and Power

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Operational History
Throughout the F-15I’s years in service, the platform has been frequently deployed in conflicts along Israel’s borders and even abroad, including in Lebanon, Syria, and in Gaza. Perhaps most significantly, the IAF’s Ra’am fleet has the ability to reach deep inside Iranian territory. As part of the Jewish state’s Begin Doctrine, the IDF needs to maintain the capability to terminate Tehran’s ability to develop and produce weapons of mass destruction.


F4 are Vietnam war era aircraft.
F14s are over 45 years old no spare parts have been sold for them.
Mirage F1 is 50 years old
Mig 29 preferred to fly to Iran instead of taking on F15/16 in Iraq 1990 i would have done the same.

Israel has massive air superiority the only thing they have to worry about is Russian SAM 300/400 air defences which haven't shot down much anyway.

The Israeli F35 doesn't use avionics or weapons control from the US the Jews make their own. The Americans say the Jewish stuff is better.

Any old Iranian plane that takes to the sky against Israel will be toast.
They will not know Israel has locked on with AMRAAM i doubt they will even know where Israeli planes are.

The Saudis hate the Shia in Iran there have been times where they turn off US made air defences and let Israel fly over.



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Reply #151 - Oct 3rd, 2024 at 11:02pm
 
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F4 are Vietnam war era aircraft.


They fly a lot faster than the F35 and they only have to spot a tanker
from 100 miles away with radar and fire a missile then turn around and speed away.
the F35 could never catch them.

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Reply #152 - Oct 3rd, 2024 at 11:27pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 3rd, 2024 at 11:02pm:
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F4 are Vietnam war era aircraft.


They fly a lot faster than the F35 and they only have to spot a tanker
from 100 miles away with radar and fire a missile then turn around and speed away.
the F35 could never catch them.



Speed isn't everything the F4 needs afterburner to achieve that speed which severly limits range.

The F35 being cleaner with aero no crap hanging in the breeze can cruise supersonic without afterburner.

Iran doesn't have any air to air missiles proven to hit from 100 miles away.

Israel has missiles that can hit anything Iran has got without them knowing until they blow up.

Air to air combat has evolved the goal is to shoot them down without them knowing you're there ie stealth.


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Reply #153 - Oct 3rd, 2024 at 11:50pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 3rd, 2024 at 11:27pm:
Bobby. wrote on Oct 3rd, 2024 at 11:02pm:
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F4 are Vietnam war era aircraft.


They fly a lot faster than the F35 and they only have to spot a tanker
from 100 miles away with radar and fire a missile then turn around and speed away.
the F35 could never catch them.



Speed isn't everything the F4 needs afterburner to achieve that speed which severly limits range.

The F35 being cleaner with aero no crap hanging in the breeze can cruise supersonic without afterburner.

Iran doesn't have any air to air missiles proven to hit from 100 miles away.

Israel has missiles that can hit anything Iran has got without them knowing until they blow up.

Air to air combat has evolved the goal is to shoot them down without them knowing you're there ie stealth.




We'll soon know if a mission is successful.

My bet is that the Yanks will supply F-22s and Yanky pilots for the Israeli job -
but of course they'll never tell us.
This is all hush hush. 
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Reply #154 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 10:06am
 
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Preparation of three Emad ballistic missiles before their launch at Israel by specialists from the missile units of the Aerospace Forces of the Revolutionary Guard of Iran.


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Reply #155 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 10:14am
 
Also, against the backdrop of the expected Israeli strike, the Iranians have strengthened the air defense near Isfahan with Torami and Raadami. They are probably expecting an attempt to strike by the cruise missile from Iraqi airspace.

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Reply #156 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 10:34am
 
tallowood wrote on Oct 4th, 2024 at 10:14am:
Also, against the backdrop of the expected Israeli strike, the Iranians have strengthened the air defense near Isfahan with Torami and Raadami. They are probably expecting an attempt to strike by the cruise missile from Iraqi airspace.

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Iranians don't expect CM from Arabian sea or Indian Ocean or may be they don't want to talk about it.

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Reply #157 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 11:13am
 
tallowood wrote on Oct 4th, 2024 at 10:34am:
Iranians don't expect CM from Arabian sea or Indian Ocean or may be they don't want to talk about it.


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The Israeli Navy maintains a high level of secrecy surrounding its submarine capabilities. And the latest boat, the INS Dragon, is more secretive than most. This may be driven by new weapon capabilities, possibly including a vertical launch system (VLS).
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A VLS would imply a significant leap in capabilities. Israel’s Dolphin-I and Dolphin-II class submarines are already equipped with torpedoes and cruise missiles. But they are shot through the torpedo tubes. The inclusion of a VLS implies either more weapons, or our bet, new weapons.


Israel’s submarines are believed to carry the sea-based arm of the country’s nuclear deterrent. Israel is not a declared nuclear state, but has long since been regarded as such.
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Reply #158 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 2:26pm
 
The war is getting worse.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/rocket-warning-sirens-activated-in-...

Rocket warning sirens activated in Haifa and several suburbs


Will they bomb him in a mosque?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/irans-khamenei-to-give-rare-friday-...
Iran’s Khamenei to give rare Friday sermon following missile attack on Israel


More bunker busters on Beirut.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/nyt-strike-targeted-underground-bun...

NYT: Strike targeted underground bunker where Safieddine was meeting other Hezbollah leaders
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Reply #159 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 2:37pm
 
Aussie's trapped in Lebanon.

An Aussie woman was on TV from Lebanon.
She had to pay $23,000 to get a ride back to Australia with a long route with many different airlines.
It was about 3 days traveling.

Many people are sailing on small yachts to Cyprus and getting a flight out of there
to say Rome and going on from there.

People should have got out at least 6 months ago.
Many own businesses and homes in Lebanon so didn't want to leave.

Lebanon is a wonderful place -
or it would be if it wasn't for all the wars.
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Reply #160 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 7:54pm
 
NEW Footage of Israeli Special Ops Raids in Lebanon


Israel has been clearing Hezbollah tunnels in southern Lebanon for months.

The IDF just released footage showing their forces clearing Hezbollah tunnels in southern Lebanon.  This comes just a few hours after an announcement that limited ground operations had begun.  The footage shows numerous, deep tunnels across the southern portion of Lebanon stacked with significant quantities of small arms, ATGMS, grenades, mines and living supplies.  Israel added that these raids have been going on for months and did not indicate that this specific footage came from the past 24-48 hours.

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Reply #161 - Oct 5th, 2024 at 8:27am
 
Now Bibi has gone crazy -
Israel is bombing itself.
Israeli fighter jet bombs Israel.


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https://www.timesofisrael.com/at-least-18-said-killed-in-tulkarem-airstrike-on-h...

18 said killed in Tulkarem airstrike on Hamas commander planning imminent attack
Head of terror network was allegedly preparing major terror attack on Oct. 7 anniversary;
rare strike by fighter jet is one of the deadliest in West Bank in years



https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/deadly-israeli-strike-west-bank-highli...

TULKARM, West Bank, Oct 4 (Reuters) - The ruins of a coffee shop in the West Bank city of Tulkarm show the force of the airstrike on Thursday night that killed at least 18 people including a senior local commander of the militant group Hamas.
The strike in Tulkarm refugee camp, one of the most densely populated in the occupied West Bank, destroyed the ground floor shop entirely, leaving rescue workers picking through piles of concrete with the smell of blood still hanging in the air.
Two holes in an upper level show where the missile penetrated the three-storey building before reaching the coffee shop, where a mechanical digger was clearing rubble on Friday.
The strike by the Israeli air force was the largest seen in the West Bank during operations that have escalated sharply since the start of the war in Gaza almost a year ago, and one of the biggest since the second "intifada" uprising two decades ago.
"We haven't heard this sound since 2002," said Nimer Fayyad, owner of the cafe, whose brother was killed in the strike.
"There is no safe place for the Palestinian people. The Palestinian people have the right to defend themselves."
The Israeli military said the strike killed Zahi Yaser Abd al-Razeq Oufi, head of the Hamas network in Tulkarm, a volatile city in the northern West Bank that has seen repeated clashes between the Israeli army and Palestinian fighters.
Israeli military spokesperson Avichay Adraee said the military had verified that at least seven militants were killed in the attack, including Ghaith Radwan, a prominent commander from the Iranian-backed Islamic Jihad militant group.
He said the strike had been carried out "as they met to plan a terrorist attack against the State of Israel in the immediate term".
The United Nations Human Rights Office said the attack was "part of a highly concerning pattern of unlawful use of force" by Israel in the West Bank.
ATTACK KILLS FAMILY OF FIVE IN APARTMENT
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Reply #162 - Oct 5th, 2024 at 9:31am
 
Joe said he doesn't want Israel to bomb oil facilities -
he's worried about the election.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-says-israel-should-consider-alternatives-to-...


Biden says Israel should consider alternatives to hitting Iran’s oil fields

US president also claims ‘no administration has helped Israel more than I have’ and says ‘Bibi should remember that,’
when asked if he thinks Netanyahu is trying to sway election

By Jacob Magid
5 October 2024
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Reply #163 - Oct 5th, 2024 at 2:52pm
 

Iran releases more footage of missile attack against Israel

Oct 4, 2024

Iran's military released footage Thursday claiming to show the launch of
some of the at least 180 missiles fired at Israel on Tuesday.


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Reply #164 - Oct 5th, 2024 at 3:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 4th, 2024 at 7:54pm:
NEW Footage of Israeli Special Ops Raids in Lebanon


Israel has been clearing Hezbollah tunnels in southern Lebanon for months.

The IDF just released footage showing their forces clearing Hezbollah tunnels in southern Lebanon.  This comes just a few hours after an announcement that limited ground operations had begun.  The footage shows numerous, deep tunnels across the southern portion of Lebanon stacked with significant quantities of small arms, ATGMS, grenades, mines and living supplies.  Israel added that these raids have been going on for months and did not indicate that this specific footage came from the past 24-48 hours.

[medi]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRiu_dVUp3Y[/media]


How can anyone know if this is real?

Israeli propaganda producers are very proficient at faking such.

Of course, the Israelis just stumbled across the tunnel opening while strolling about in the fields and were not concerned at all about entering a tunnel packed with explosives and munitions.

Could this be one of the tunnels the Israelis have?
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