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Reply #15 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 2:41pm
 
The Leaders are split like atoms in a nuclear reaction.

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Reply #16 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 2:43pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
lee wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 11:33am:
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 9:38am:
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Peter Dutton’s nuclear proposal disrupts investment in cheaper renewables. Is that the point?


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/19/climate-needs-com...


So tell us why if renewables are so much cheaper, why places like Germany. UK, have more expensive electricity when they have so much renewables. Germany has enough renewables to power itself, on average. Of course averages cover a multitude of sins. Like when the wind and solar are BELOW average.


How is Dutton going to get Nuclear approved without control of both houses....Why bring up Germany which has a completly different energy structure from Australia and is shutting down it's remaining nuclear reactors....The Ukraine war and the price of gas has also made energy around the world more expensive....CSIRO Report Finds Renewables Cheaper Than Nuclear....Feel free to post any reports that claim nuclear is cheaper than renewables and the cause of Germany's power prices???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://renewcosolar.com.au/csiro-report-finds-renewables-cheaper-than-nuclear/#...


The day will come when Nuclear is a viable safe option. It isn't today and it certainly will never be under Mr Potato head. His plan is unsafe his technology doesn't really exist his locations are compromised his budget is out by billions if not trillions of dollars.


Nuclear power is extremely safe and has been for decades. Why do you persist with these lies when you know it isn’t true? There are hundreds of reactors online around the world 24/7 and incidents are exceedingly rare. Just admit you are biased against it as a power source based on false, fear mongering misinformation.
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Reply #17 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 6:18pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 2:20pm:
The rising cost of gas is why Germany has higher electricity prices...



But not the reason why it has higher electricity prices than elsewhere. Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 2:20pm:
Germany is closing it's nuclear power stations and has not built renewables quick enough.


The renewables have a notional electricity capacity above the average. How much overbuild should they have? Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 2:20pm:
.Owners of the coal power plants were Dutton wants his expensive not yet viable nuclear reactors built say the sites are not for sale making Dutton's thought bubble even more remote...


So they can't be build elsewhere? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 2:20pm:
So how is Dutton going to get Nuclear approved without control of both houses...



Because I am debating the supposed benefits and cheapness of renewables. Grin Grin Grin Grin

So tell us the cheap battery costs. Wink
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Reply #18 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 6:57pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 2:43pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:44pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
lee wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 11:33am:
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 9:38am:
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Peter Dutton’s nuclear proposal disrupts investment in cheaper renewables. Is that the point?


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/19/climate-needs-com...


So tell us why if renewables are so much cheaper, why places like Germany. UK, have more expensive electricity when they have so much renewables. Germany has enough renewables to power itself, on average. Of course averages cover a multitude of sins. Like when the wind and solar are BELOW average.


How is Dutton going to get Nuclear approved without control of both houses....Why bring up Germany which has a completly different energy structure from Australia and is shutting down it's remaining nuclear reactors....The Ukraine war and the price of gas has also made energy around the world more expensive....CSIRO Report Finds Renewables Cheaper Than Nuclear....Feel free to post any reports that claim nuclear is cheaper than renewables and the cause of Germany's power prices???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://renewcosolar.com.au/csiro-report-finds-renewables-cheaper-than-nuclear/#...


The day will come when Nuclear is a viable safe option. It isn't today and it certainly will never be under Mr Potato head. His plan is unsafe his technology doesn't really exist his locations are compromised his budget is out by billions if not trillions of dollars.


Nuclear power is extremely safe and has been for decades. Why do you persist with these lies when you know it isn’t true? There are hundreds of reactors online around the world 24/7 and incidents are exceedingly rare. Just admit you are biased against it as a power source based on false, fear mongering misinformation.


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Nuclear power is extremely safe


Fukushima was managed by the most consistent and reliable people on the planet. They are only just starting to make the area safe and the region will be uninhabitable for over a 100 years at least.

In Australia we have people with a Homer Simpson she'll be right attitude to everything, we have a nong wanting to build nuclear plants in potentially unstable coal mine areas in a recipe for disaster.

Day one everything will be fine by the 10 year period we hill have an under trained Homer Simpson with his hands on the buttons.

Even with open cut mining there can often be sheer fractures. Building Nuclear plants on suspect foundations seems a bad idea to me.
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Reply #19 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 6:58pm
 
"Thus, this paper poses the simple question – what if Germany had spent their money on nuclear power and not followed their policy from 2002 through 2022 (20 years); would Germany have achieved more emission reductions and lower expenses? To answer this research question requires first an assessment of the results of the German policy covering the period of 2002 through 2022 to establish a baseline. Then, two choices occur that could have been dealt with independently given Germany’s long nuclear history and competence – (1) to keep existing NPPs running, and/or (2) to invest in new NPPs. As noted, Germany has opted out of both these choices and invested in VREs, which makes the case particularly interesting.

The relevance of the research is not only given by the difference in policy choices observed, but also that the German Federal Accounting Office (Bundesrechnungshof) writes about the German policy dubbed ‘Die Energiewende’ in German, and it concludes: ‘The Bundesrechnungshof warns that the energy transition in its current form [based on the Energiewende] poses a threat to the German economy and overburdens the financial capacity of electricity-consuming companies and households’ (Bundesrechnungshof Citation2021a). Thus, understanding these policy choices is vital for Germany but also for other countries considering various energy transition paths."

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14786451.2024.2355642#d1e128

"The 137.5 TWh of electricity that Germany’s “renewable” facilities produced in the first half of 2023 is a pitiful percentage of their supposed theoretical capacity. A chart at Clean Energy Wire here gives Germany’s generation capacity of solar, plus onshore and offshore wind as 130.8 GW as of 2022. (In a country with only about 85 GW of peak usage!). Add the new 8 GW of capacity added in the first half of 2023, and you would have 138.8 GW of wind and solar capacity, or 602.9 TWh hours of capacity (138.8 x 24 x 181) for the 181 days in January to June 2023. That would mean that the wind and solar facilities combined produced at a rate of only 22.8% of capacity over that period."

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/08/30/congratulations-to-germany-on-achieving-m...

Wow 85 GW Peak, and 138GW of renewables. And it is not enough. Roll Eyes
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Reply #20 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 7:02pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 6:57pm:
They are only just starting to make the area safe and the region will be uninhabitable for over a 100 years at least.



And yet they are inhabiting it.  Roll Eyes

Dnarever wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 6:57pm:
Building Nuclear plants on suspect foundations seems a bad idea to me.

Biut you haven't found any suspect foundations. In fact you have not looked. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #21 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 7:04pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 6:57pm:
In Australia we have people with a Homer Simpson she'll be right attitude to everything, we have a nong wanting to build nuclear plants in potentially unstable coal mine areas in a recipe for disaster.


That you think Australians, no, that you think anyone at all would be a Homer is rather insulting. Don't worry the Nong won't build them or run them or survey the sites.
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Reply #22 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 7:09pm
 
Nuclear reactors and weapons are sailing on and under our oceans 24/7, 365 days a year. No meltdowns or nuclear explosions. Has been this way for decades with only a couple of accidents. Nuclear power is very safe.
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Reply #23 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 7:12pm
 
I noticed the article is rather negative on SMRs but Google tells me the first went online in China in Dec 2021.
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