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Oct 4th, 2024 at 2:07pm
 
Don't agree on everything': leaders divided on nuclear

4 October 2024 Yahoo News

They might be friends but Peter Dutton and his Queensland state counterpart David Crisafulli are a long way off agreeing on nuclear power.

Mr Dutton has promised to build seven nuclear plants across Australia if the coalition wins next year's federal election.

Two of those proposed plants are in Queensland at existing power plants in Tarong and Callide.   Sad

But Mr Crisafulli, who is on track to lead the Liberal National Party to power at the October 26 election, stands firmly against the proposal, refusing to change laws that ban nuclear power in Queensland.

"Friends can have differences of opinion," Mr Crisafulli told reporters in Brisbane on Friday.

David Crisafulli and Peter Dutton

Mr Dutton has previously vowed to override states who refuse to adopt the energy plan.   Sad

"Commonwealth laws override state laws even to the level of the inconsistency. So support or opposition at a state level won't stop us rolling out our new energy system," he said at an LNP conference in June.

The pair stood side-by-side at a press conference on day five of the election campaign but remained at a stalemate on energy policy.

"You know my position ... and the fact that I've asked Peter to join me today shows that he's someone who wants to see me do well, and I want to see him do well," Mr Crisafulli said.

"It doesn't mean that we agree on everything.

"He supports the Broncos, I support the Cowboys, so you know that's the way any relationship works."

Mr Dutton agreed that "friends" - even political leaders in the same party - can have a point of difference.

"In the end, we want the same outcome - that is, cheaper electricity for families who are struggling," he said.

Neither leader would comment on what would happen if both were elected and remain at loggerheads.   Sad

"Firstly, let's get David Crisafulli elected as premier," Mr Dutton said.

Polls are pointing to a change of state government on October 26, with the LNP leading 56 to 44 per cent on a two-party preferred basis.   Sad
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Reply #1 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 2:12pm
 
Mr Dutton has previously vowed to override states who refuse to adopt the energy plan.   Shocked   Sad
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Reply #2 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 3:33pm
 
IF the feds want to overturn the nuclear ban, there is nothing the states can do. Federal laws override state laws. Roll Eyes
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Reply #3 - Oct 4th, 2024 at 4:12pm
 
Allows a bet both ways for libs voting.
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Reply #4 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 9:38am
 
lee wrote on Oct 4th, 2024 at 3:33pm:
IF the feds want to overturn the nuclear ban, there is nothing the states can do. Federal laws override state laws. Roll Eyes


Dutton would need to win the vote in both houses to overturn the States....He would also need to fight all the legal challenges that would flow from his policy if it is ever enacted....Whilst these challenges are overcome investment in renewables will tank....Who will invest in an asset that Dutton will need to shut down if his Nuclear fantasy is ever realized???

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Peter Dutton’s nuclear proposal disrupts investment in cheaper renewables. Is that the point?


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/19/climate-needs-com...
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Reply #6 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 11:33am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 9:38am:
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Peter Dutton’s nuclear proposal disrupts investment in cheaper renewables. Is that the point?


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/19/climate-needs-com...


So tell us why if renewables are so much cheaper, why places like Germany. UK, have more expensive electricity when they have so much renewables. Germany has enough renewables to power itself, on average. Of course averages cover a multitude of sins. Like when the wind and solar are BELOW average.
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Reply #7 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 11:33am:
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 9:38am:
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Peter Dutton’s nuclear proposal disrupts investment in cheaper renewables. Is that the point?


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/19/climate-needs-com...


So tell us why if renewables are so much cheaper, why places like Germany. UK, have more expensive electricity when they have so much renewables. Germany has enough renewables to power itself, on average. Of course averages cover a multitude of sins. Like when the wind and solar are BELOW average.


How is Dutton going to get Nuclear approved without control of both houses....Why bring up Germany which has a completly different energy structure from Australia and is shutting down it's remaining nuclear reactors....The Ukraine war and the price of gas has also made energy around the world more expensive....CSIRO Report Finds Renewables Cheaper Than Nuclear....Feel free to post any reports that claim nuclear is cheaper than renewables and the cause of Germany's power prices???

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https://renewcosolar.com.au/csiro-report-finds-renewables-cheaper-than-nuclear/#...
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Reply #8 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm
 
Nah... nah .... nah ..... the 'leaders' are divisive...... one slightly worse than the other...
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Reply #9 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:40pm
 
Both these sites sit next to extensive coal mining operations.

They target existing coal power sites to leverage a benefit from pre existing power distribution infrastructure. The negative side is that coal power is typically built in conjunction to coal mines. whether they are in ground mines of open cut the surrounding ground structure is potentially compromised and problematic.
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Reply #10 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:44pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
lee wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 11:33am:
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 9:38am:
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Peter Dutton’s nuclear proposal disrupts investment in cheaper renewables. Is that the point?


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jun/19/climate-needs-com...


So tell us why if renewables are so much cheaper, why places like Germany. UK, have more expensive electricity when they have so much renewables. Germany has enough renewables to power itself, on average. Of course averages cover a multitude of sins. Like when the wind and solar are BELOW average.


How is Dutton going to get Nuclear approved without control of both houses....Why bring up Germany which has a completly different energy structure from Australia and is shutting down it's remaining nuclear reactors....The Ukraine war and the price of gas has also made energy around the world more expensive....CSIRO Report Finds Renewables Cheaper Than Nuclear....Feel free to post any reports that claim nuclear is cheaper than renewables and the cause of Germany's power prices???

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https://renewcosolar.com.au/csiro-report-finds-renewables-cheaper-than-nuclear/#...


The day will come when Nuclear is a viable safe option. It isn't today and it certainly will never be under Mr Potato head. His plan is unsafe his technology doesn't really exist his locations are compromised his budget is out by billions if not trillions of dollars.
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Reply #11 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 1:24pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
How is Dutton going to get Nuclear approved without control of both houses....


Nothing to do with renewables.

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
Why bring up Germany which has a completly different energy structure from Australia and is shutting down it's remaining nuclear reactors..


Because of Green fears not anything else. But you didn't say why German electricity is so dear. Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
The Ukraine war and the price of gas has also made energy around the world more expensive.



But NOT as expensive as Germany.

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
CSIRO Report Finds Renewables Cheaper Than Nuclear...



And they use a 4 hour battery. Wind and solar droughts can last weeks. Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
.Feel free to post any reports that claim nuclear is cheaper than renewables and the cause of Germany's power prices???


So the cause of Germany's electricity woes are NOT related to renewables but only gas? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Perhaps that explains German manufacturing closing. Roll Eyes
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Reply #12 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 1:32pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 1:24pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 12:15pm:
How is Dutton going to get Nuclear approved without control of both houses....


Nothing to do with renewables.



Exactly....Nothing to do with renewables....So how is Dutton going to get Nuclear approved without control of both houses???

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Reply #13 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 2:05pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 1:32pm:
Exactly....Nothing to do with renewables..


And still nothing to do with renewables, their costs, the cost of necessary ancillaries (batteries), New power line infrastructure capable of handling wildly changing outputs etc. Roll Eyes

And still nothing on why German electricity is so dear.

And then there is Milli-band, closing coal in the UK which can only lead to more imports, if available. Wink
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Reply #14 - Oct 7th, 2024 at 2:20pm
 
lee wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 2:05pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 7th, 2024 at 1:32pm:
Exactly....Nothing to do with renewables..


And still nothing to do with renewables, their costs, the cost of necessary ancillaries (batteries), New power line infrastructure capable of handling wildly changing outputs etc. Roll Eyes

And still nothing on why German electricity is so dear.

And then there is Milli-band, closing coal in the UK which can only lead to more imports, if available.


The rising cost of gas is why Germany has higher electricity prices....Germany is closing it's nuclear power stations and has not built renewables quick enough....Owners of the coal power plants were Dutton wants his expensive not yet viable nuclear reactors built say the sites are not for sale making Dutton's thought bubble even more remote....So how is Dutton going to get Nuclear approved without control of both houses....You keep avoiding the question???

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