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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12482 Gender:	Aboriginal Separatists Attack Australian Town Oct 9^th, 2024 at 10:59am So, now that you're here... If Aboriginal separatists did attack an Australian town claiming that they had been driven from their homeland and called for the destruction of the Australian state, what should the Australian government of the day do about it?
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Reply #1 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 11:39am

They've been attacking Alice Springs for years now... why don't the parents and Elders intervene positively? Because it is part of their brushfire war to try to push Whartey out of 'their' land.

It's long gone way past simple resentment - they could easily integrate and get along nicely as many do - they choose not to.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12482 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal Separatists Attack Australian Town Reply #2 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 11:51am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 11:39am: It's long gone way past simple resentment - they could easily integrate and get along nicely as many do - they choose not to. Why should they integrate?
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Reply #3 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

It's long gone way past simple resentment - they could easily integrate and get along nicely as many do - they choose not to.

Why should they integrate?

Integrate or segregate - their choice...... They can become part of the whole - or be a whole unto themselves and 'equal' by their own standards and using their own ways ... and self-funding to boot since they do not wish to be part of the whole whole.

Now then - what was that about Sad Kangaroo whining about people here calling for segregation - when it is the Abos calling for segregation........ as long as someone else pays for it. They will of course, require visas approved to move amongst the rest.... and back to their natural diet and lifestyle and such for improved health...

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How are Abos calling for segregation (again)?

they want their own state;
they want to 'do things their way';
they want their own 'laws' (all 1100 odd group sets of non-common laws);
they demand 'sovereignty' over the nation as a whole;
they demand control over land, water and resources nationally.

I think that about covers Aboriginal Supremacism ...................

Perhaps we should put it to a vote of the people ................................................................................
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Reply #4 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:23pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

So, now that you're here...

If Aboriginal separatists did attack an Australian town claiming that they had been driven from their homeland and called for the destruction of the Australian state, what should the Australian government of the day do about it?

Introduce policies to 'close the gap', to ameliorate/reduce the driving force of separatism.

(The Palestine war was created by the UN failing to implement its resolutions - in this case, UN res 181 - and needs to be solved by the UN).

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Reply #5 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:24pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

they want their own state;
they want to 'do things their way';
they want their own 'laws' (all 1100 odd group sets of non-common laws);
they demand 'sovereignty' over the nation as a whole;
they demand control over land, water and resources nationally.

I think you've confused them with Qld cotton growers

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Reply #6 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:26pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

So, now that you're here...

If Aboriginal separatists did attack an Australian town claiming that they had been driven from their homeland and called for the destruction of the Australian state, what should the Australian government of the day do about it?

Introduce policies to 'close the gap', to ameliorate/reduce the driving force of separatism.

(The Palestine war was created by the UN failing to implement its resolutions, and needs to be solved by the UN).

Platitudes, platitudes... WHAT policies to 'close the gap(s)', and how will those actually work? Don't let us hold you back ......

Do they pay you to post this nonsense?

The UN failed, thus causing war? Well - nothing new....

How do you propose the UN actually resolve this on the ground? Don't let us hold you back.....

Footnote:- There are French troops acting for the UN, currently in Lebanon...... an attempt at a military solution is off the cards..... look at Korea ..... so a negotiated diplomatic solution is the only way..... now then - how to go about diplomacy with a non-government like Hezbollah and a near-deceased government like Ham-ass?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12482 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal Separatists Attack Australian Town Reply #7 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:34pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:15pm: Perhaps we should put it to a vote of the people Why should Aboriginal separatists recognise the right of non-aboriginals to vote?
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Reply #8 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:40pm

Self-funding of communities isn't out of the question. They could get the royalties which are currently paid to government, for mining and cattle leasing. White fellas who want to fish or hunt on the 'reservation' would also have to pay (while also complying with any aboriginal laws about what can be taken and when.)

Already aborigines make money from grazing and tourism. And some live the traditional lifestyle, despite it being much easier to claim the dole and buy food from the shop.

As to borders, this might actually be part of the plan. Older aborigines in particular want to be able to keep booze and pot out of their communities, but they're legally weak in preventing smugglers coming in.

It would be a whole lot easier for an aborigine to get a visa for white man's land, than for a white fella to get a visa for black man's land. But it's your idea, not mine.

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Reply #9 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:49pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:26pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

So, now that you're here...

If Aboriginal separatists did attack an Australian town claiming that they had been driven from their homeland and called for the destruction of the Australian state, what should the Australian government of the day do about it?

Introduce policies to 'close the gap', to ameliorate/reduce the driving force of separatism.

(The Palestine war was created by the UN failing to implement its resolutions, and needs to be solved by the UN).

Platitudes, platitudes... WHAT policies to 'close the gap(s)', and how will those actually work? Don't let us hold you back ......

Done to death already; poverty eradication is achievable.

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Do they pay you to post this nonsense?

No; I'm here to educate vicious, blind blame the victims of poverty ignoramuses like you.

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The UN failed, thus causing war? Well - nothing new....

Again explained to death - blind, neanderthal tribal survival instincts crippled the UN at its inception, demanding the UNSC veto.

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How do you propose the UN actually resolve this on the ground? Don't let us hold you back.....

In part, the same way Trump proposes to end the Ukraine war, ie by the imposition of peace, mollifying Putin with Crimea and Donbass; Zelensky can join the EU if he wants.

.... and the UNSC - with the US onboard - can impose UN res 181, reading the riot act to trouble-makers.

[Israel might be able to make war on Iran, but it can't make war on a united UNSC].

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Reply #10 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 2:06pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:34pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

Perhaps we should put it to a vote of the people

Why should Aboriginal separatists recognise the right of non-aboriginals to vote?

They will have to - or die fighting.

Which is the sensible choice?

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Reply #11 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 2:23pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 10:59am:

So, now that you're here...

If Aboriginal separatists did attack an Australian town claiming that they had been driven from their homeland and called for the destruction of the Australian state, what should the Australian government of the day do about it?

First port of call would be the Police. Then, if that failed to quell the insurrection, then the Police SWAT team would be called for. Again, if that failed to quell the insurrection, the Army would be called and martial law would be declared. If the Army was unable to quell the troublemakers then the politicians would be forced to negotiate with the trouble makers and would have to make concessions to them. The Army has a long history of fighting counter-revolutionary warfare and can be both heavy-handed and quite soft-hearted depending on situation. The thing is, it all depends on how far the insurrectionists are prepared to go. Are we facing a Mau-Mau like situation or a Vietnam style situation?

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #12 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 2:27pm

Who cares if Aboriginal segregationists don't care about a popular vote?

They are a minority and are free under our paternalistic tutelage to 'go their own way' in their own time and space - without interfering Hamas-style in the smooth running of the Civilised Zone... of course, should they choose to breach laws of the majority, they are subject to the same Nemesis....

I've offered the idea of a separate Homeland.... a Noweto or Noreasto complete with theme park and Maverick style hunting trips to raise revenue... think on it --- organised fishing trips and tours of parts of The Reef (if we set 'em up in Cape Yorke), a view of how the 'traditional' lifestyle operates, chance to live among them and experience it first hand.. the tourists would flock in from Asia and Europe .... add in the possibility of establishing Gon'Mo for the real bad-asses and jobs as guards and such, handling the beagles in hunting down escapees etc...

........and you can't hear yourself think above the crying of the Screaming Meemies here... calling 'racist' and 'Apartheidist' and all that rubbish for accepting the Aboriginal idea of a separate state of their own to do things their way and giving them absolute sovereignty over their Homeland without any interference from Whartey's ways at all ... no evil fast food, no cars and such, no housing and health care, no money other than that earned ....

Sorry - but as a minority of less than 4% total including children, they are now faced with a decision for their entire future - either they go it alone without us or they become part of the whole (instead of falling into a hole of their own making) - if they want to get ahead they are just going to have to decide for themselves to go ahead and do it. That was Albo's hidden agenda.

I know quite a number of them - and a majority of the women want to see their children and so forth prosper - even an Elder out back of Alice Springs said to Albo he needed to find them boys jobs..... how he didn't say ... but his mind was on The Path Of The Higher Man ... even though the opportunities were not readily available... with the right BIG picture for Australia, they could be.... I bring you the GAIAs again..... you pliskens can't even envisage such things...

Like Jacinta Price - and as I said to Warren Mundine - listen to the women - they actually want something better for their children and grand-children. Forget the Ravers tribe... move with the real people out there.

Open up the Interior with the Trans Oz Rail etc... build industrial facilities near the resources..... fast mass rail to the East... open up Lake Eyre to the sea and run the barefoot ski speedboat race from Breakers to Bourke and Back and such....forget the rare Gordon Gecko that lives under the salt.... they can swim it....

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Reply #13 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 3:03pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Who cares if Aboriginal segregationists don't care about a popular vote?

They are a minority and are free under our paternalistic tutelage to 'go their own way' in their own time and space - without interfering Hamas-style in the smooth running of the Civilised Zone... of course, should they choose to breach laws of the majority, they are subject to the same Nemesis....

I've offered the idea of a separate Homeland.... a Noweto or Noreasto complete with theme park and Maverick style hunting trips to raise revenue... think on it --- organised fishing trips and tours of parts of The Reef (if we set 'em up in Cape Yorke), a view of how the 'traditional' lifestyle operates, chance to live among them and experience it first hand.. the tourists would flock in from Asia and Europe .... add in the possibility of establishing Gon'Mo for the real bad-asses and jobs as guards and such, handling the beagles in hunting down escapees etc...

........and you can't hear yourself think above the crying of the Screaming Meemies here... calling 'racist' and 'Apartheidist' and all that rubbish for accepting the Aboriginal idea of a separate state of their own to do things their way and giving them absolute sovereignty over their Homeland without any interference from Whartey's ways at all ... no evil fast food, no cars and such, no housing and health care, no money other than that earned ....

What about mining royalties? What about charges for 'foreigners' to fish or hunt on their land?

Let's not pretend that the Australian government "earns" royalties. They're just rent for a resource owned by all Australians.

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Sorry - but as a minority of less than 4% total including children, they are now faced with a decision for their entire future - either they go it alone without us or they become part of the whole (instead of falling into a hole of their own making) - if they want to get ahead they are just going to have to decide for themselves to go ahead and do it. That was Albo's hidden agenda.

I know quite a number of them - and a majority of the women want to see their children and so forth prosper - even an Elder out back of Alice Springs said to Albo he needed to find them boys jobs..... how he didn't say ... but his mind was on The Path Of The Higher Man ... even though the opportunities were not readily available... with the right BIG picture for Australia, they could be.... I bring you the GAIAs again..... you pliskens can't even envisage such things...

Like Jacinta Price - and as I said to Warren Mundine - listen to the women - they actually want something better for their children and grand-children. Forget the Ravers tribe... move with the real people out there.

Open up the Interior with the Trans Oz Rail etc... build industrial facilities near the resources..... fast mass rail to the East... open up Lake Eyre to the sea and run the barefoot ski speedboat race from Breakers to Bourke and Back and such....forget the rare Gordon Gecko that lives under the salt.... they can swim it....

Aborigines live in isolated places because they don't like the city. Your "solution" is to bring the city to them.

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Reply #14 - Oct 9^th, 2024 at 3:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9^th, 2024 at 2:23pm:

Are we facing a Mau-Mau like situation or a Vietnam style situation?

Let's say the Aboriginal separatists claim Australia as the Aboriginal land of 'Nandjinka' - the rightful homeland of the Aboriginal peoples.

And their slogan/war cry is 'From the rock to the seas, Nandjinka is free'.

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