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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42070	Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:51am Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW, with tourists spending $3b a year
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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 17328 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Reply #1 - Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:54am Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:51am: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW, with tourists spending $3b a year Great news story. I wonder if the usual suspects will claim to be victims of this somehow like other stories about tourism in areas that they can link to indigenous people.
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6048	Re: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Reply #2 - Oct 10^th, 2024 at 12:16pm Quote: Nearly half of that money is predicted to be spent in regional areas. I wonder how much will go to Koori communities?
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29757 Gender:	Re: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Reply #3 - Oct 10^th, 2024 at 2:58pm Gullible tourists just love being guided by white Aboriginals. A real Australian experience.
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Reply #4 - Oct 10^th, 2024 at 6:39pm

Gnads wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 2:58pm:

Gullible tourists just love being guided by white Aboriginals.

A real Australian experience.

In the 2023/24 financial year, 801,900 people participated in an Aboriginal tourism experience, spending $3.2 billion.

Almost 290,000 of those people were domestic visitors, who spent about half a billion dollars — up almost 15 per cent on the previous year.

Meanwhile, in Holland:
https://leiden.wereldmuseum.nl/en/whats-on/exhibitions/australian-art

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Reply #5 - Oct 10^th, 2024 at 9:54pm

Yeah, well - NSW has not YET closed off all the finest spots to suit some heebie-jeebie ideas on spirits and stuff. Owd'ya be if the govumint told ya ye couldn't walk down George Street, Sydney because St Andrews Cathedral was there?

Ooooooh - the spirits of Mt Warning might bite you or even worse - they might cry!!

Anyway - NSW has to catch some of the windfall from tourists not bothering with our majestic Rock out there... bloody white man's light show is hard on the eyes.

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Reply #6 - Oct 10^th, 2024 at 9:55pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW, with tourists spending $3b a year Cool

Great news story.

I wonder if the usual suspects will claim to be victims of this somehow like other stories about tourism in areas that they can link to indigenous people.

.. sucking tourists away from the Opera House, Porgy and Bess, they are.... typical.... Grin

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84890 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Reply #7 - Oct 10^th, 2024 at 9:56pm tallowood wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 12:16pm: Quote: Nearly half of that money is predicted to be spent in regional areas. I wonder how much will go to Koori communities? based on previous experience and practice - somewhere near..... ohhh... about 1% to nothing....
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Reply #8 - Oct 10^th, 2024 at 10:36pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 9:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW, with tourists spending $3b a year Cool

Great news story.

I wonder if the usual suspects will claim to be victims of this somehow like other stories about tourism in areas that they can link to indigenous people.

.. sucking tourists away from the Opera House, Porgy and Bess, they are.... typical.... Grin

You're such a victim...

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Reply #9 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 12:32am

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 10:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 9:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW, with tourists spending $3b a year Cool

Great news story.

I wonder if the usual suspects will claim to be victims of this somehow like other stories about tourism in areas that they can link to indigenous people.

.. sucking tourists away from the Opera House, Porgy and Bess, they are.... typical.... Grin

You're such a victim...

Well, truth be told - when you have seen one stick, you have seen them all.

The only mildly interesting thing about Aboriginal artefacts is to realise how amazingly long they could remain so stagnant and utterly primitive.

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Reply #10 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 7:37am

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 12:32am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 10:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 9:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW, with tourists spending $3b a year Cool

Great news story.

I wonder if the usual suspects will claim to be victims of this somehow like other stories about tourism in areas that they can link to indigenous people.

.. sucking tourists away from the Opera House, Porgy and Bess, they are.... typical.... Grin

You're such a victim...

Well, truth be told - when you have seen one stick, you have seen them all.

The only mildly interesting thing about Aboriginal artefacts is to realise how amazingly long they could remain so stagnant and utterly primitive.

I remain utterly unsurprised that all you've considered of our First Nation's story is relegated to a stick.

In all of your long life, nobody ever thought to teach you better.

Some understanding of course is given owing to the fact that absolutely nothing of First Nation culture was taught in schools until relatively recently ... so you missed out.

As did most commentators on this forum. You got taught what you were taught in school and you never bothered expanding upon it. That much is plainly evident in absolutely everything you all have to say.

Fortunately for the rest of us, there is a wonderfully expansive world that if we are open, can be taught to us through the oldest contiguous people on the planet. There is both an incredibly wealthy mythology and local understanding of the world around us. There is an intricate and desperately fought for familial lineage that holds an abundance of history and relevance.

Imagine, coexisting that long without absolutely @&#$ing everything up!

So much value to the world. To humanitarians and scholars. To futurists and historians.

And you lot. You are the dead set peanut gallery.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84890 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Reply #11 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 9:46am Abocults 101:- Jackie-Jackie made a stick.
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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 17328 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Reply #12 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 10:10am Jackie Robinson slur? So creative...
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84890 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Reply #13 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 11:16am You can hear the BOOM from here.... the sound of it collapsing in the NT ... WTH is Jackie Robinson? Booker T is the man...
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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 17328 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Reply #14 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 1:16pm Would you like to explain the "jackie-jackie" comment? When it's something you've said, that I'm not familiar with, it's usually a racial slur. If it's not in this case, I apologise.
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Reply #15 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 5:17pm

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 7:37am:

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 12:32am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 10:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 9:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW, with tourists spending $3b a year Cool

Great news story.

I wonder if the usual suspects will claim to be victims of this somehow like other stories about tourism in areas that they can link to indigenous people.

.. sucking tourists away from the Opera House, Porgy and Bess, they are.... typical.... Grin

You're such a victim...

Well, truth be told - when you have seen one stick, you have seen them all.

The only mildly interesting thing about Aboriginal artefacts is to realise how amazingly long they could remain so stagnant and utterly primitive.

I remain utterly unsurprised that all you've considered of our First Nation's story is relegated to a stick.

In all of your long life, nobody ever thought to teach you better.

Some understanding of course is given owing to the fact that absolutely nothing of First Nation culture was taught in schools until relatively recently ... so you missed out.

As did most commentators on this forum. You got taught what you were taught in school and you never bothered expanding upon it. That much is plainly evident in absolutely everything you all have to say.

Fortunately for the rest of us, there is a wonderfully expansive world that if we are open, can be taught to us through the oldest contiguous people on the planet. There is both an incredibly wealthy mythology and local understanding of the world around us. There is an intricate and desperately fought for familial lineage that holds an abundance of history and relevance.

Imagine, coexisting that long without absolutely @&#$ing everything up!

So much value to the world. To humanitarians and scholars. To futurists and historians.

And you lot. You are the dead set peanut gallery.

Well, whatever they taught you in school, the meaning of 'contiguous' wasn't in the syllabus.

You are trying to use big words to show off your supposed education but you just reveal your snobbish ignorance. You strive to seem nuanced and educated but you aren't.

There is no rich Aboriginal history. Their mythol our is not particularly interesting or revealing or insightful. It is primitive pre-historic, pre-civilisational tales like every other primitive tribal mythology. Their total lack of curiosity, the actual, active rejection of change for millennia, ossified into their myths, rituals and minds, is remarkable in its mysery-producing persistence.
Their violence, superstitions are hideous.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84890 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Reply #16 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 6:01pm SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 1:16pm: Would you like to explain the "jackie-jackie" comment? When it's something you've said, that I'm not familiar with, it's usually a racial slur. If it's not in this case, I apologise. Do some research.
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Reply #17 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 6:15pm

methra, fearless defender of FTLW in hir madness and ravings as the sock hse is, wasn't eddicated in our schools... hshe's a Pom...

'Hshe' indicates there is nothing positive to show man or woman... just another blind canyon on the internetn ad most likely a fake anyway... could be anyone - but what you can guarantee is hir ultra-left vacuous views driving entirely on emotion without reason or fact ....

Got a few of those here - at least Smith is a simpleton who prefers insult to reasoned discussion ... LTYC is just the village idiot who we all just laugh at...

Darkly methra said once: "Do you know who I am?" .... response - WGAF - just another anonymous fool on the internet with nothing to contribute but silly comments of a personal nature.

Who is Jackie-Jackie?

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Reply #18 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 10:29pm

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 5:17pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 7:37am:

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 12:32am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 10:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 9:55pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW, with tourists spending $3b a year Cool

Great news story.

I wonder if the usual suspects will claim to be victims of this somehow like other stories about tourism in areas that they can link to indigenous people.

.. sucking tourists away from the Opera House, Porgy and Bess, they are.... typical.... Grin

You're such a victim...

Well, truth be told - when you have seen one stick, you have seen them all.

The only mildly interesting thing about Aboriginal artefacts is to realise how amazingly long they could remain so stagnant and utterly primitive.

I remain utterly unsurprised that all you've considered of our First Nation's story is relegated to a stick.

In all of your long life, nobody ever thought to teach you better.

Some understanding of course is given owing to the fact that absolutely nothing of First Nation culture was taught in schools until relatively recently ... so you missed out.

As did most commentators on this forum. You got taught what you were taught in school and you never bothered expanding upon it. That much is plainly evident in absolutely everything you all have to say.

Fortunately for the rest of us, there is a wonderfully expansive world that if we are open, can be taught to us through the oldest contiguous people on the planet. There is both an incredibly wealthy mythology and local understanding of the world around us. There is an intricate and desperately fought for familial lineage that holds an abundance of history and relevance.

Imagine, coexisting that long without absolutely @&#$ing everything up!

So much value to the world. To humanitarians and scholars. To futurists and historians.

And you lot. You are the dead set peanut gallery.

Well, whatever they taught you in school, the meaning of 'contiguous' wasn't in the syllabus.

You are trying to use big words to show off your supposed education but you just reveal your snobbish ignorance. You strive to seem nuanced and educated but you aren't.

There is no rich Aboriginal history. Their mythol our is not particularly interesting or revealing or insightful. It is primitive pre-historic, pre-civilisational tales like every other primitive tribal mythology. Their total lack of curiosity, the actual, active rejection of change for millennia, ossified into their myths, rituals and minds, is remarkable in its mysery-producing persistence.
Their violence, superstitions are hideous.

I'm sorry that your understanding of the use of the word "contiguous" is as anaemic as your understanding of Aboriginal culture, history and mythology, fruitbat, but you really shouldn't just sound off from a position of absolute ignorance.

You've been doing a whole lot of that lately and it's really making you look quite the fool.

What am i saying, you've always been a fool.

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Reply #19 - Oct 11^th, 2024 at 10:45pm

Frank wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 6:39pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 2:58pm:

Gullible tourists just love being guided by white Aboriginals.

A real Australian experience.

In the 2023/24 financial year, 801,900 people participated in an Aboriginal tourism experience, spending $3.2 billion.

Almost 290,000 of those people were domestic visitors, who spent about half a billion dollars — up almost 15 per cent on the previous year.

I spent a couple of days of NAIDOC Week looking at the artwork at both the Rockhampton Regional Library, and then over at the new Art Gallery. The artwork I saw was quite good. I did recognise some of the names on the paintings being that of the members of the immediate Capricorn region.

I bet these exhibits would outrank a lot of work in Sydney art galleries.

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At this stage...

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Reply #20 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 7:44am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 1:16pm:

Would you like to explain the "jackie-jackie" comment?

When it's something you've said, that I'm not familiar with, it's usually a racial slur.

If it's not in this case, I apologise.

Do some research.

I am directly asking you.

I’ve done my research, and it clearly ties back to Jackie Robinson, the trailblazer who shattered baseball’s colour barrier in 1947. Invoking his name drags us right back to the ugly, racist undercurrent of that era.

Now, you’re claiming it’s not about that? Fine. Then the burden is on you to explain, precisely and thoroughly, why this term was used.

So, enlighten us. Why do you feel the need to resort to a racial slur? And if that wasn’t your intention, then what exactly was it?

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Reply #21 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 7:49am

Never heard of that - it's just a common phrase for a person of colour .... nothing to do with anyone.

You don't reckon 'cobber' was derived from Charles Cobber, the Minnesotta blacksmith,do you?

Truly your mind wanders in strange ways.

Now then, Jackie-Jackie... I have no 'burden' to explain anything ... just is.... common usage you know - nothing to see here.

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Reply #22 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 7:59am

Now then, champ - you reckon you could come up with any VIABLE solutions to all the Abo problems - or would you rather just sit on the sidelines and try to big-note yourself by pursuing your betters? You talk an awful big talk, Pilgrim ..... as long as ya can say somethin' nasty about someone ....but can ya walk the walk?

I know - let's see how you figure the lowering of the age of criminal responsibility in the NT will somehow make things worse - then we can hear your solution(s)... maybe that idea of fining parents whose kids run riot .... could help...

Remember Albo pre-election? Told them out West that funding was reliant on improvements in Key Performance Indicators such as school attendance, youth crime, substance abuse, violence and domestic/family violence, and so forth.... then as soon as he was in the office, out came the chequebook and the easy money - and not one thing has changed out there to this day.

So - what are your answers, sunshine?

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20641 Gordon Gender:	Re: Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW Reply #23 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 8:53am Some very creative accounting going on there. A tourist takes the add on abo tour and they add up the entire cost of the holiday and say it's for boong spotting. This is the reality.
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Reply #25 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:40pm

There is no rich Aboriginal history - life was short, nasty and brutish with perpetual conflicts and killing, all over extremely limited and hard to secure resources meaning that women and children were also killed rather than the behaviour of even the most low class pillagers and plunderers in history, who kept the pretty women... the diet was dismal, being of protein with little vegetable etc, leading to early death in most cases .... the 'history' of any given small group - just large enough for the territory to sustain, was one of simply wandering about in their 'territory' for as long as they could hold it until the next Aboriginal Napoleon came over the hill and established a New Empire by the spear and club... they still carry on ancient tribal blues in places like Wadeye where several groups are together and none will leave it to the others ... all very reminiscent of pre-Western South Africa which was described as a series of tribes perpetually bouncing off one another and all over the place with the Zulus making it all worse with their disciplined approach to tribal warfare.

Show Me The Spirits! Say - at the headwaters, the whole area of which is suddenly 'a sacred site' so as to put in a bid for Cargo Pay and Royalties for gold extraction - well - at least until Plebeian Stick put a stop to the gold mine.... Show Me The Spirits!!

"Whenever he sought to discuss spirits - it seemed his words were more in keeping with discussion of the empty bottles!" Sir Winston Grappler.

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Reply #26 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:49pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:40pm:

There is no rich Aboriginal history - life was short, nasty and brutish with perpetual conflicts and killing, all over extremely limited and hard to secure resources meaning that women and children were also killed rather than the behaviour of even the most low class pillagers and plunderers in history, who kept the pretty women... the diet was dismal, being of protein with little vegetable etc, leading to early death in most cases .... <etc>

Your source for this libel?

Seems a lot like you're a "constructing" Aboriginal history from "Man The Hunter" mythology (which never applied in any stage of human history.) Aboriginal women also hunted small game like echidnas, and when they weren't doing that they gathered vegetables and roots, and processed them eg by pounding and washing, or by chewing.

What you fail to consider is the tens of thousands of years in which Aboriginal society had time to adjust to their environment. Women worked (as they did everywhere, always, even in Victorian England where your morality seems to come from) and presenting Aboriginal Australia as a world of hunters and stay-at-home wives, is both inane and deprecatory.

Too much for you? Just tell us why you believe Aborigines before the white man, were undernourished and short lived.

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Reply #27 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:56pm

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:49pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:40pm:

There is no rich Aboriginal history - life was short, nasty and brutish with perpetual conflicts and killing, all over extremely limited and hard to secure resources meaning that women and children were also killed rather than the behaviour of even the most low class pillagers and plunderers in history, who kept the pretty women... the diet was dismal, being of protein with little vegetable etc, leading to early death in most cases .... <etc>

Your source for this libel?

Aboriginal history.........

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Reply #28 - Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:59pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:56pm:

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:49pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:40pm:

There is no rich Aboriginal history - life was short, nasty and brutish with perpetual conflicts and killing, all over extremely limited and hard to secure resources meaning that women and children were also killed rather than the behaviour of even the most low class pillagers and plunderers in history, who kept the pretty women... the diet was dismal, being of protein with little vegetable etc, leading to early death in most cases .... <etc>

Your source for this libel?

Aboriginal history.........

Of which I suppose you're a scholar.

Now for the others of us who haven't studied Aboriginal History like you have. Just give us some kind of source for Aboriginals being unhealthy from a deficient diet.

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Reply #29 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 12:24am

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:56pm:

Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:49pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:40pm:

There is no rich Aboriginal history - life was short, nasty and brutish with perpetual conflicts and killing, all over extremely limited and hard to secure resources meaning that women and children were also killed rather than the behaviour of even the most low class pillagers and plunderers in history, who kept the pretty women... the diet was dismal, being of protein with little vegetable etc, leading to early death in most cases .... <etc>

Your source for this libel?

Aboriginal history.........

Of which I suppose you're a scholar.

Now for the others of us who haven't studied Aboriginal History like you have. Just give us some kind of source for Aboriginals being unhealthy from a deficient diet.

No need - plain as day. The traditional diet was largely protein and little vegetable - a sure recipe for lack of health and early death - as was and remains the case. Do you know how many of them die at forty from heart troubles? Why is that? Because they are immersed in a feast and famine feeding style, which was (as an Aboriginal I know said) 'lean meat', and a few yams and such... berries etc, but hardly a balanced diet. So when they enter the land of Plenty, and there IS a more balanced diet of vegetables with meat and such - they still go for the high protein fried chicken and burgers and similar, and as a result still have a lower life expectancy. The ongoing neglect of children in many cases also contributes to this ... heart disease is a complex set of issues... people who are often hungry when growing up develop a capacity to absorb and retain fat - so that often thin people can suffer serious heart problems ... when they grow up and can afford to eat, their body accepts that without question... after all - they once lived in Famine.... and they often die of what is called 'a silent heart attack'.

In a SHA, the heart arteries just clog and the heart stops with little or no pain... I had an Aboriginal mate sit down for a little rest on a bench and just quietly pass away without a murmur... closed his eyes for a little rest and was gone. 42 years old.

Much of that is diet.... and while better overall balanced nutrition in many cases extends life expectancy, many still die pretty young of heart artery problems and the imbalances often created by early disadvantage caused by neglect and abuse.

As I said - it's a very complex issue.

When you are ready - you may explain to the room why you believe Aboriginal life expectancy is still lower than The Rest.... go for it. It's not just because they kill one another at hugely higher rates.....

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Reply #30 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:54am

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Aurora Complexus wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:56pm:

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:40pm:

There is no rich Aboriginal history - life was short, nasty and brutish with perpetual conflicts and killing, all over extremely limited and hard to secure resources meaning that women and children were also killed rather than the behaviour of even the most low class pillagers and plunderers in history, who kept the pretty women... the diet was dismal, being of protein with little vegetable etc, leading to early death in most cases .... <etc>

Your source for this libel?

Aboriginal history.........

Of which I suppose you're a scholar.

Now for the others of us who haven't studied Aboriginal History like you have. Just give us some kind of source for Aboriginals being unhealthy from a deficient diet.

No need - plain as day. The traditional diet was largely protein and little vegetable - a sure recipe for lack of health and early death - as was and remains the case. Do you know how many of them die at forty from heart troubles? Why is that? Because they are immersed in a feast and famine feeding style, which was (as an Aboriginal I know said) 'lean meat', and a few yams and such... berries etc, but hardly a balanced diet. So when they enter the land of Plenty, and there IS a more balanced diet of vegetables with meat and such - they still go for the high protein fried chicken and burgers and similar, and as a result still have a lower life expectancy. The ongoing neglect of children in many cases also contributes to this ... heart disease is a complex set of issues... people who are often hungry when growing up develop a capacity to absorb and retain fat - so that often thin people can suffer serious heart problems ... when they grow up and can afford to eat, their body accepts that without question... after all - they once lived in Famine.... and they often die of what is called 'a silent heart attack'.

In a SHA, the heart arteries just clog and the heart stops with little or no pain... I had an Aboriginal mate sit down for a little rest on a bench and just quietly pass away without a murmur... closed his eyes for a little rest and was gone. 42 years old.

Much of that is diet.... and while better overall balanced nutrition in many cases extends life expectancy, many still die pretty young of heart artery problems and the imbalances often created by early disadvantage caused by neglect and abuse.

As I said - it's a very complex issue.

When you are ready - you may explain to the room why you believe Aboriginal life expectancy is still lower than The Rest.... go for it. It's not just because they kill one another at hugely higher rates.....

Of all the pig-ignorant horseshit.

it's one of two things ... either you just made all of that up or you've not bothered to update your primary school learning from the '60s.

A little from column A and a little from column B i suspect.

Either way absolutely everything you have written is just wrong. And you really shouldn't just make crap up. But you do. All the freaking time.

Your explanation of heart health being hilarious and notwithstanding, First Nations peoples had, depending on region, a huge plant based proportion of their diet. They were and are masters of plant lore and used what was around them in a myriad of ways, not least of all to eat. They are arguably the first ever makers of bread. They harvested everything from the fruit to the tuber and root and finely honed the usage of it.

Even commentary sympathetic with colonialism remarked on how healthy the Indigenous people appeared on first contact.

Secondly, i grow over-weary of hearing how short-lived and brutal they were supposed to have been. From a nation descendant of people so poorly treated and short lived, they were whipped and starved across to the other side of the world to be whipped and starved some more.

What was the life expectancy for a serf in Europe through most of recorded history? Or a peasant?

Anyone chopped up on field? Enslaved? Burnt at the stake for being raped? Or just getting on the wrong side of someone? Kept in servitude? Died from disease owing to pestilence, malnutrition and overcrowding?

Who is brutal? What does brutal even mean?

The First Nations peoples inhabited this land contiguously for at least 60,000 years and buggered absolutely nothing up.

I pity you who are blind to the deeply rich culture that formed from the human mind not preoccupied with conquest and control ... or from the effects of being either subjugated or jumping at shadows.

We have much, oh so much, to learn from them.i

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Reply #31 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 2:40pm

Well - enlighten us about the wondrous varied diet they enjoyed... don't just jump up and down and throw insults around... you make yourself look stupid doing that. Tell us of all the wonder foods they derived from the landscape........ tell us how those have been turned into industries now, given that they are so life-sustaining.......... then go on and explain to us why their life expectancy is still lower.......

Of all the pig-ignorant lines put out by some imported Pommy sheila with no idea of Austland.

I challenge thee - go out and LIVE on their diet from out there!! Live the lifestyle for a month..... we need a Boot Camp that does exactly that to set right the 'thoughts' of you rabid lefties. No cheating now - you must eat that diet exclusively for the full month leading up to your stay at Aboot Camp, so you can feel and see the full impact of your beliefs.

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Reply #32 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:11pm

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Of all the pig-ignorant horseshit.

it's one of two things ... either you just made all of that up or you've not bothered to update your primary school learning from the '60s.

Cheese-Louise, mothra...

I thought Grappler was being somewhat intelligent with that response. And you lowered the academic expectations, with your response.

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Reply #33 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 7:53pm

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Who is brutal? What does brutal even mean?

The First Nations peoples inhabited this land contiguously for at least 60,000 years and buggered absolutely nothing up.

I pity you who are blind to the deeply rich culture that formed from the human mind not preoccupied with conquest and control ... or from the effects of being either subjugated or jumping at shadows.

We have much, oh so much, to learn from them.

Primitive societies are brutal. Aboriginal societies were brutal, still are.
Contiguous means bordering, touching. It is not related to time.
Primitive cultures are not rich. Not deeply rich. They are primitive, simple, superstitious.

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There weren't enough of them to 'buggar anything up' - all they could manage was sheer survival by wandering about and killing native animals and one another for food.

So many flaws in your thinking to 'unpack' that it's not worth the trouble.

What's with trying to compare a primitive wandering hunter-gatherer set of small groups with a full-on civilisation? TF is the matter with you?

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Reply #35 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 8:08pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:11pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:54am:

Of all the pig-ignorant horseshit.

it's one of two things ... either you just made all of that up or you've not bothered to update your primary school learning from the '60s.

Cheese-Louise, mothra...

I thought Grappler was being somewhat intelligent with that response. And you lowered the academic expectations, with your response.

Argh, aye - now mythra is a full-on expert medical professional! Mythra's entire AIM is to lower the academic expectations of any discussion.... hshe would find it impossible to follow otherwise. Clearly she has no knowledge or understanding of the complexity and variety of cardiac problems and their causes.... thinks more Abos die of heart attacks from 'prejudice' ... cannot tell a lie - Civilisation FORCES them Abos to eat wrongly in a time of Plenty, same as it forces them young Abos to steal cars and crash them...

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Reply #36 - Oct 14^th, 2024 at 7:43am

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There is no rich Aboriginal history - life was short, nasty and brutish with perpetual conflicts and killing, all over extremely limited and hard to secure resources meaning that women and children were also killed rather than the behaviour of even the most low class pillagers and plunderers in history, who kept the pretty women... the diet was dismal, being of protein with little vegetable etc, leading to early death in most cases .... the 'history' of any given small group - just large enough for the territory to sustain, was one of simply wandering about in their 'territory' for as long as they could hold it until the next Aboriginal Napoleon came over the hill and established a New Empire by the spear and club... they still carry on ancient tribal blues in places like Wadeye where several groups are together and none will leave it to the others ...

Geez you talk crap. Average life of aborigines pre colonialism was believed to be 30 - 40 ... however that figure is skewed because of their high infant mortality rate. The average life of adults was closer to 50 to 60 yrs of age

The average life of a pommie in that same period was also 30 to 40 yrs of age ya dumbarse. Cheesy

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Reply #37 - Oct 14^th, 2024 at 8:18am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 8:08pm:

Argh, aye - now mythra is a full-on expert medical professional! Mythra's entire AIM is to lower the academic expectations of any discussion.... hshe would find it impossible to follow otherwise. Clearly she has no knowledge or understanding of the complexity and variety of cardiac problems and their causes.... thinks more Abos die of heart attacks from 'prejudice' ... cannot tell a lie - Civilisation FORCES them Abos to eat wrongly in a time of Plenty, same as it forces them young Abos to steal cars and crash them...

mothra means well by what mothra says. However, sh-he disrupts social progression with this condescending tone of posting, during discussions about the ramification of going easy on the people who identify as indigenous.

I am all for being sympathetic to those Australians who are genuinely indigenous and have lived a tough life. However, these days, I might only be realistically sympathetic to those indigenous Australians who are over the age of 50 years of age, and working at least part-time work.

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Reply #38 - Oct 14^th, 2024 at 8:42am

John Smith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 7:43am:

Geez you talk crap. Average life of aborigines pre colonialism was believed to be 30 - 40 ... however that figure is skewed because of their high infant mortality rate. The average life of adults was closer to 50 to 60 yrs of age

The average life of a pommie in that same period was also 30 to 40 yrs of age ya dumbarse. Cheesy

Very, very credible. Thomas Kenneally's "Commonwealth of Thieves" book is reliable second-hand evidence that what you say is true.

In fact, the First Fleet suffered a high mortality, due to the fact that they could not get resupplied by (British) South African settlements for at least 8 months. And the Second Fleet fared even worse. This was due to the fact that they showed up in Sydney Cove to a settlement of people who were suffering malnutrition.

Had the local Sydney region indigenous groups decided to wipe out the new settlers, they could well have done so. However, the indigenous people then were somewhat curious about the newcomers.

Read the book, for more information.

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Reply #39 - Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:31pm

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Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2024 at 12:32am:

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SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 10^th, 2024 at 11:51am:

Aboriginal tourism experiences boom in NSW, with tourists spending $3b a year Cool

Great news story.

I wonder if the usual suspects will claim to be victims of this somehow like other stories about tourism in areas that they can link to indigenous people.

.. sucking tourists away from the Opera House, Porgy and Bess, they are.... typical.... Grin

You're such a victim...

Well, truth be told - when you have seen one stick, you have seen them all.

The only mildly interesting thing about Aboriginal artefacts is to realise how amazingly long they could remain so stagnant and utterly primitive.

I remain utterly unsurprised that all you've considered of our First Nation's story is relegated to a stick.

In all of your long life, nobody ever thought to teach you better.

Some understanding of course is given owing to the fact that absolutely nothing of First Nation culture was taught in schools until relatively recently ... so you missed out.

As did most commentators on this forum. You got taught what you were taught in school and you never bothered expanding upon it. That much is plainly evident in absolutely everything you all have to say.

Fortunately for the rest of us, there is a wonderfully expansive world that if we are open, can be taught to us through the oldest contiguous people on the planet. There is both an incredibly wealthy mythology and local understanding of the world around us. There is an intricate and desperately fought for familial lineage that holds an abundance of history and relevance.

Imagine, coexisting that long without absolutely @&#$ing everything up!

So much value to the world. To humanitarians and scholars. To futurists and historians.

And you lot. You are the dead set peanut gallery.

I'm utterly unsurprised that you've swallowed the "First Nations" bullshyte.

The only reason it has been adopted along with all all the nonsense about "Frontier Wars" ... is the hunt for reparations.

It has no basis in fact.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:40pm:

There is no rich Aboriginal history - life was short, nasty and brutish with perpetual conflicts and killing, all over extremely limited and hard to secure resources meaning that women and children were also killed rather than the behaviour of even the most low class pillagers and plunderers in history, who kept the pretty women... the diet was dismal, being of protein with little vegetable etc, leading to early death in most cases .... the 'history' of any given small group - just large enough for the territory to sustain, was one of simply wandering about in their 'territory' for as long as they could hold it until the next Aboriginal Napoleon came over the hill and established a New Empire by the spear and club... they still carry on ancient tribal blues in places like Wadeye where several groups are together and none will leave it to the others ...

Geez you talk crap. Average life of aborigines pre colonialism was believed to be 30 - 40 ... however that figure is skewed because of their high infant mortality rate. The average life of adults was closer to 50 to 60 yrs of age

The average life of a pommie in that same period was also 30 to 40 yrs of age ya dumbarse. Cheesy

Bullshyte.

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Gnads wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 7:43am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:40pm:

There is no rich Aboriginal history - life was short, nasty and brutish with perpetual conflicts and killing, all over extremely limited and hard to secure resources meaning that women and children were also killed rather than the behaviour of even the most low class pillagers and plunderers in history, who kept the pretty women... the diet was dismal, being of protein with little vegetable etc, leading to early death in most cases .... the 'history' of any given small group - just large enough for the territory to sustain, was one of simply wandering about in their 'territory' for as long as they could hold it until the next Aboriginal Napoleon came over the hill and established a New Empire by the spear and club... they still carry on ancient tribal blues in places like Wadeye where several groups are together and none will leave it to the others ...

Geez you talk crap. Average life of aborigines pre colonialism was believed to be 30 - 40 ... however that figure is skewed because of their high infant mortality rate. The average life of adults was closer to 50 to 60 yrs of age

The average life of a pommie in that same period was also 30 to 40 yrs of age ya dumbarse. Cheesy

Bullshyte.

Yes, you often do. Your point?

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John Smith wrote on Oct 15^th, 2024 at 9:14am:

Gnads wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 7:43am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 12^th, 2024 at 10:40pm:

There is no rich Aboriginal history - life was short, nasty and brutish with perpetual conflicts and killing, all over extremely limited and hard to secure resources meaning that women and children were also killed rather than the behaviour of even the most low class pillagers and plunderers in history, who kept the pretty women... the diet was dismal, being of protein with little vegetable etc, leading to early death in most cases .... the 'history' of any given small group - just large enough for the territory to sustain, was one of simply wandering about in their 'territory' for as long as they could hold it until the next Aboriginal Napoleon came over the hill and established a New Empire by the spear and club... they still carry on ancient tribal blues in places like Wadeye where several groups are together and none will leave it to the others ...

Geez you talk crap. Average life of aborigines pre colonialism was believed to be 30 - 40 ... however that figure is skewed because of their high infant mortality rate. The average life of adults was closer to 50 to 60 yrs of age

The average life of a pommie in that same period was also 30 to 40 yrs of age ya dumbarse. Cheesy

Bullshyte.

Yes, you often do. Your point?

Your statement was bullshyte.

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"Average life of aborigines pre colonialism was believed to be 30 - 40 ... however that figure is skewed because of their high infant mortality rate. The average life of adults was closer to 50 to 60 yrs of age"

What an amazing take on something that has absolutely no evidence.

Infant mortality rate skews the figures so badly that it was obviously horrendous... some lived to 50 or 60 ... well - so did a hell of a lot of Poms etc.... with a far lower infant mortality rate.... and many Europeans live to 100 or so...

Smithematics at its very worst. A massive infant mortality rate indicates Nirvana created by the way of life.... **shakes head in disbelief** ....

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