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Oct 12th, 2024 at 6:10am
 
... who will it affect?  What other possible solutions are there?  Will it affect any one group more than others - and if so - WHY?  Which group(s)?  It takes an entire village to raise a criminal......................... that needs exploring in this context ....

This'll give their ulcers a prime for Saturday ........ heeeey - all I did was ask a few pertinent questions and post a link... no need to get all snippety again and ruin your mental health .... paranoia ... pure and simple.... haters under the beds.... watch out for those!!!  They'll get you!!

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/national-children-s-commissioner-reques...
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Reply #1 - Oct 12th, 2024 at 7:40am
 
Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again. I don't see why I should have had to be subjected to such bullshit harassment from racist blow-ins, just because of my Caucasian heritage. Let the justice system sort out the spoiled little rebels.
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Reply #2 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 12:12am
 
No matter what happens as a result - and remember this is for serious crimes like stealing and wrecking cars, using them as weapons against police, breaking into houses and stores and such and serious violent crimes - it will not address the basic issue that these 10 yo kids are raised in an environment where their village raises them to be anti-social, due to neglect, indolence, and their observing a lack of moral fibre amongst their elders and parents.

Monkey see - monkey do.... when a kid sees the 'responsible adult' lazing in a stupor and carrying on without moral controls - why would that kid figure that going to that school was a good idea - especially when all his peers would pick on him/her for doing so?  What improved horizons does a kid Out There see from education and such?  Just a waste of time in the kid's eyes when they see no benefit from it and the lifestyle seems easy and indolent.

Children are adaptable and will tolerate neglect and abuse and most of them will learn from that to become the same.

It takes an entire village to raise a criminal little arschlock.
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Reply #3 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 6:53am
 
Okay, I will have to play the role of police prosecutor, for the purpose of this topic here. Essentially, if you are 10 years old and you are willing enough to smoke pot or drink booze, you are old enough to face the consequences of your actions. And if you are willing to break into cars, drive them around recklessly, and then run down people on the highway, I doubt that being 12 years old would warrant you any real clemency.

Any justice of the peace would simply say that the child is more than a product of their social environment.  Any magistrate could just determine that the child has to do the rest of their days in prison, without possibility of parole.
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Reply #4 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:13am
 
Idiots.

Locking kids up leads to recidivism. Almost exclusively. It leads to long term interaction with law enforcement.

We know this. This is not revolutionary information. It's not "woke". It's not culturally Marxist.

It's simply the facts as we know them.

We also know that black kids are locked up (and zip tied) for crime white kids do every single day and barely register a reaction.

But until we break through the kind of absolute prejudice still infesting our society, so evident on this forum, we are going to get absolutely nowhere.

And i know you're all idiots, but the people actually designing this aren't ... although you share a common goal.
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Reply #5 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:34am
 
mothra,

If you live outside of Qld, please don't comment any further on this. You are obviously too woke and naive to know any better.
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Reply #6 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:39am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:34am:
mothra,

If you live outside of Qld, please don't comment any further on this. You are obviously too woke and naive to know any better.



Get bent, Rocky.
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Reply #7 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:46am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:39am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:34am:
mothra,

If you live outside of Qld, please don't comment any further on this. You are obviously too woke and naive to know any better.



Get bent, Rocky.


I was. That is the reason why I don't subscribe to the pusillanimous ideals of the "woke brigade".
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Reply #8 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am
 
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Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again.


I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children.

A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly.
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Reply #9 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:04am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:46am:
mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:39am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:34am:
mothra,

If you live outside of Qld, please don't comment any further on this. You are obviously too woke and naive to know any better.



Get bent, Rocky.


I was. That is the reason why I don't subscribe to the pusillanimous ideals of the "woke brigade".


You know that woke doesn't really mean anything the authoritarian right do not like.

The Green M&M isn't really woke - right ?
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Reply #10 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:17am
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am:
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Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again.


I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children.

A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly.




Community outreach and mentoring. All the world over these have been the solutions to not a new or unique problem.

A 10 year old child should never be in custody. and it's happening right here in Australia and most people wouldn't have the foggiest.

it is a dark stain on our nation and can, at this point, only be seen as deliberate and sinister, knowing full well the consequences as we do.



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Reply #11 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 11:25am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am:
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Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again.


I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children.

A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly.




Community outreach and mentoring. All the world over these have been the solutions to not a new or unique problem.

A 10 year old child should never be in custody. and it's happening right here in Australia and most people wouldn't have the foggiest.

it is a dark stain on our nation and can, at this point, only be seen as deliberate and sinister, knowing full well the consequences as we do.






depends

if they are put in custody and mentored by role models of positive masculinity (say they get to play football against off duty police or they get to learn to box at a pcyc or they are indentured to a noble cattleman and taught stockman skills)  then this is good community outreach and mentoring

if they are left where they are with bad parents, this is a dark stain on our society

if they are tortured by having to deal with hand wringing self important social workers and other welfare grifters, this is an absolute catastrophe
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Reply #12 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 12:35pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 11:25am:
mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:17am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 8:03am:
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Lower the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 years of again.


I would say no in general but there does need to be something for special cases and dangerous children.

A 10 year old is a child several years away from understanding consequences properly.


Community outreach and mentoring. All the world over these have been the solutions to not a new or unique problem.

A 10 year old child should never be in custody. and it's happening right here in Australia and most people wouldn't have the foggiest.

it is a dark stain on our nation and can, at this point, only be seen as deliberate and sinister, knowing full well the consequences as we do.


depends - if they are put in custody and mentored by role models of positive masculinity (say they get to play football against off duty police or they get to learn to box at a pcyc or they are indentured to a noble cattleman and taught stockman skills)  then this is good community outreach and mentoring


Good points, so far.

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if they are left where they are with bad parents, this is a dark stain on our society


Indeed it is. And your solution for eradicating bad parental role models? (other than locking them up...).

See...not so simple. 

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if they are tortured by having to deal with hand wringing self important social workers and other welfare grifters, this is an absolute catastrophe


Indeed it is....so how do you plan to eradicate the institutional welfare dependency which exists in the poverty ghettos?
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Reply #13 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 1:27pm
 
institutional welfare dependancy?

it should have been pulled out by its tap root before it was ever allowed to blossom.
and who benefits from institutional welfare dependancy?
the middle management civil servants and grifters who are, in essence, dependant on ever increasing "herds" of welfare recipients to advance their careers and pay their own mortgage.


the solution will have to come from the people who understand that we were put on this earth to contribute and to create and to eradicate suffering
(not to take, and suck on the titty of an authority figure) and
not to use the suffering of others as an opportunity to virtue signal.

in practical terms , this means that the same sort of people who volunteer for the rural fire brigade or for clean up australia or for the surf life savers or for mens sheds or for pony clubs , need to move into areas of poverty and provide real help.

play sport with kids
teach them to work on cars or fix mowers
teach them to put up fences and grow food
community gardens
teach them emotional control in the boxing ring
take them to the gym, take them fishing
get them interested in little on line marketing ventures
lend them 1000 bucks to start a small business
inspire and encourage by putting your awesome positive attitude on display.


i was talking to a mum of a kid with fairly severe autism and a big NDIS package (about 150,000 pa).

all he could access was speech therapists and occupational therapists ON LINE (as they refused to drive to the country) and they were billing NDIS 300 an hour for doing what exactly over a skype call?

mum said it was total BS

mum is going to bring the kid to the local pony club where he can get some real help, for free, from noble conservatives

the virtue signalling grifters have failed this child and 10's of 1000's like him, because they would never get off their fat asses and actually do something constructive  Cry Cry
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Reply #14 - Oct 13th, 2024 at 2:28pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:39am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13th, 2024 at 7:34am:
mothra,

If you live outside of Qld, please don't comment any further on this. You are obviously too woke and naive to know any better.



Get bent, Rocky.


Well - I guess that puts HIS little red wagon in the repair shop!!     Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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