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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25008 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #135 - Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:25pm I can't even get a kebab from the local store in Stocklands, without getting an email from Brittany Lauga telling me to "cut it out... I am sick of the phone calls wanting your investigated for spying on the Middle East"... That is how left-wing egomaniacal "thegreatdivide" can be.
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Reply #136 - Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

I actually applied to the military when I had no idea how to earn a living; I failed the eyesight standard. (I think I had fantasies of explaining to my fellow soldiers how war can be avoided ...the naivety of youth...)

You had fantasies of sweet talking the local SASR into not shooting the cutest soldier in Afghanistan... unless there was an insurgent that identified as a "she". Then you did not care. By the way, there are no Taliban members that identify as "she" and gets to live to tell the tale.

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You wouldn't get me inside the war industry machine in a fit these days; I'm much more likely to shoot the bastard in front of me (if I was forced to) than someone I dont know in some overseas war.

No kidding. You would have not made it to the rifle range. However, the navy does not mind someone like you with good computer skills. The submariner admiral for HMAS Rankin, says you are still banned from enlistment.

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Not in the military - I would be turfed out in an instant; as you know by now, I despise the war machine, being more interested in examining the mentality of international law lawyers who are grappling with the absurd concept of 'legal war'.

Australian military personnel are required by international military law to not fire their weapons unless they are genuinely threatened. You are either scared or lazy to join the military. I bet you got high the night before you applied for some role in the ADF.

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Who are "veterans of domestic abuse? Wives abused by sick veterans suffering PTSD?

Bingo. I talked one returned soldier out of killing his wife, back when I was 19 years old. Her daughter grew up to be a nurse at the Rockhampton Base Hospital.

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aka 'placing the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff'...WHY was she subject to domestic violence - partner violence, the ultimate madness.

PTSD for the returned soldier. Because f'wits like you want to encourage the real perpetrators of domestic violence in Iraq to extend Australian soldiers deployment in Baghdad a lot longer than necessary. Why you want to encourage the Iraqis to play the victim, that is a matter that only YOU can explain.

Meanwhile, I am sick of paying $1.80/L at the petrol bowser for Unleaded 95.

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Well - in these "woke" times, even battle-hardened decorated soldiers (presumably not "woke liberals") can find themselves in deep pooh with the military top-brass.....

F'n oath, leftnut futureguy. And when our soldiers concede to PM demands of going easy on insurgents, that just encourages the insurgents to migrate to places like Australia. And that then becomes a hypothetical situation where you are the hostage negotiator at your mother's funeral.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #137 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 11:15am

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 5:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 1:59pm:

Although I am not an accredited psychologist, I can say with some authority that "thegreatdivide" is a genuine egomaniacal psychopath. The fact that he/she/it tries to hide behind a "woke personality" is evident of my accusation.

I am about ready to see "thegreatdivide" being banned from OzPol. Go to PoliticalAnimal and have Jasin babysit you. He is a lot smarter than you.

Yeah nah you're not and you can't say with anything with any authority. Grin

Oh ffs, Gnads. "thegreatdivide" is so far left, he orbited the planet a couple of times and gave himself jetlag.

Even Anthony Albanese stops off in Hong Kong for "stretching his legs and getting some emails downloaded" before he continues onward to Beijing.

Priceless

; but what has being ultra left or ultra right got to do with the causes of endless war and entrenched poverty - the latter being implicated in government pathetically lowering the age of criminal responsibility, as if the entrenched poverty responsibile for way-ward kids' criminal behavior can be ignored by government.

Being hotly debated in the NT parliament (where black poverty is widespread) and in the rest of Oz at the moment.

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Reply #138 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 11:44am

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 11:15am:

Priceless

; but what has being ultra left or ultra right got to do with the causes of endless war and entrenched poverty - the latter being implicated in government pathetically lowering the age of criminal responsibility, as if the entrenched poverty responsibile for way-ward kids' criminal behavior can be ignored by government.

Being hotly debated in the NT parliament (where black poverty is widespread) and in the rest of Oz at the moment.

Your best/most modest response, thus far.

We need neither ultra left or ultra right people in Australia. We can have left-wing or right-wing people. Or we can have swinging voters who are considered "centrists".

People who are either pro-Palestinian or pro-Israel are usually "ultra left". Those of us who take a casual view of the Palestine or Israel are either "left-wing" or "right-wing".
"Centrists", such as myself, take the view to just let the conflict resolve itself without our intervention. Not our problem.

Confused? Good. That means you are learning something.

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Reply #139 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:00pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 1:39pm:

I actually applied to the military when I had no idea how to earn a living; I failed the eyesight standard. (I think I had fantasies of explaining to my fellow soldiers how war can be avoided ...the naivety of youth...)

You had fantasies of sweet talking the local SASR into not shooting the cutest soldier in Afghanistan...

Your narrative, not mine; I believe the UN goal to "save mankind from the scourge of war" is achievable.

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No kidding. You would have not made it to the rifle range.

That's right, as I already said, my eyesight (without glasses) wasn't up to army standards

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TGD

Not in the military - I would be turfed out in an instant; as you know by now, I despise the war machine, being more interested in examining the mentality of international law lawyers who are grappling with the absurd concept of 'legal war'.

Australian military personnel are required by international military law...

...yeh, the insane absurdity of "legal war" (rules for committing murder legally...)

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to not fire their weapons unless they are genuinely threatened. You are either scared or lazy to join the military. I bet you got high the night before you applied for some role in the ADF.

At the time, no, I was young and naive.

But I certainly refuse to go overseas to get PTSD now, on a government mission (like the illegal Bush-Blair-Howard adventure) which ignores international law.

These days there's no excuce for war at all, since the age of conquest has passed;; the faulty ideology leading to war should be exposed at the UN and any dispute adjudicated in the ICJ (the UN's court of law).

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Bingo. I talked one returned soldier out of killing his wife, back when I was 19 years old. Her daughter grew up to be a nurse at the Rockhampton Base Hospital.

Oz had no business in destroying Afghanistan; the IMF should be doing its job to engender prosperity in all nations.

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PTSD for the returned soldier. Because f'wits like you want to encourage the real perpetrators of domestic violence in Iraq to extend Australian soldiers deployment in Baghdad a lot longer than necessary. Why you want to encourage the Iraqis to play the victim, that is a matter that only YOU can explain.

Touched on above: in the West, domestic violence is caused by a failure of the economy (overseen by the useless IMF), and for veterans suffering PTSD, adventures in war; in the Islamic world, complicted by absurd conventions re women in Islam, conventions which are NOT the job of Oz soldiers to fix, but the job of the UN.

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Meanwhile, I am sick of paying $1.80/L at the petrol bowser for Unleaded 95.

Caused by dysfunctional geopolitics and resort to war.

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F'n oath, leftnut futureguy.

Ideology needs to be be soundly-based, and "the future is ours"..

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And when our soldiers concede to PM demands of going easy on insurgents, that just encourages the insurgents to migrate to places like Australia. And that then becomes a hypothetical situation where you are the hostage negotiator at your mother's funeral.

You remind me of Jack Nicholson's character in "A Few Good Men"; the decorated general was outed for issuing a 'code red' resulting in the illegal death of a soldier.

"Go easy on insurgents" who are trained killers (like the good general...) ; yes, I see the problem....do you?

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Reply #140 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:24pm

thegreatdivide,

I am near-sighted with the need to watch the television at a distance of 5 metres with my glasses on. But, I was able to hit a target at a distance of 1200 metres 4 times, using a 1920s-style sniper rifle. It is a standard shot for anyone in the military with marksman abilities.

Near-sighted people make good snipers. You just need to understand the weather conditions to be good at the job.

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Reply #141 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 1:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:00pm:

You remind me of Jack Nicholson's character in "A Few Good Men"; the decorated general was outed for issuing a 'code red' resulting in the illegal death of a soldier.

"Go easy on insurgents" who are trained killers (like the good general...) ; yes, I see the problem....do you?

I will give you a story. Whether you believe me or not is up to you.

In August of the year 1997, I was applying to join the Australian Army as a rifleman. This particular afternoon, there was a bit of a problem out at the rifle range. A former Vietnam Veteran had this 46-year-old "draft dodger", beaten and up against post of the target shooting arena.

It was not true that the 46 y.o. was a "draft dodger". The issue was that the guy was boning the Vietnam Veteran's wife for quite a while. The Warrant Officer wanted me to murder the man. Being 18 years old, and an idealist, I refused to shoot the man. It would have been labelled an accident. But I did not want to shoot the man in cold blood -- considering that the 46 y.o. was recognised as the guy who taught me how to shoot rifles (accurately) when I was 11 or 12 years old.

After refusing a few times, the Warrant Officer (or whatever inappropriate officer's rank he had), walked up to me, pulled out his pistol, pointed it at my face and said that it was either him or me. I thought about it momentarily. I walked over to the rifle, aimed near the guy tied up 200 metres away, and fired the Lee Enfield .303. I missed him... deliberately. Then I faked an eye injury to avoid shooting again.

The Major saw what was going on. He decided that my application be "put on hold". The Warrant Officer got on the phone and made a call to the police station. I hung around for about 20 minutes debating whether to kill the W.O. that day. But, I got back in my "shitbox" car and went home.

Not eating much that night, I decided to "go see a movie". I got in my car and drove all the way out to Cawarral. I got out; took my water bottle; and jumped the chain-linked fence to go to the area where the guy was still tied up. I cut his binds gave him some water; and let him have the muesli bar that I pretended to be taking to the movies.

Not much was said that night. I jumped the fence and went home. Three months later, I was genuinely over town at the movies. My friends ditched me for the nightclubs. I decided to walk to the pub for a drink. Then I walked home. The taxi service in town was terrible. Nobody wanted to take me 5km home. There was also this security guard stalking me. When I turned to confront the "rent a cop", he smiled, pulled out a hand gun and readied to fire at me. But, before he was able to fire, I heard a cracking sound, followed by the security guard falling forward. 300 metres down the laneway, I saw the silhouetted figure of a tall man holding what might have been a rifle. And I heard a familiar voice shout in the distance "Get the fkk out of here!" before the silhouetted man disappeared around the corner.

Police questioned me the next day because I had walked into the Bolsover Police Station, about ready to make a statement that night. I walked out and ran most of the way home.

"At some stage" years later, that newly divorced Warrant Officer was found dead in his modest home residence, with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. I did not say much to the police the following night after the incident. My story was credible. The shooter remains at large to this day. And I have a police profile record of me that states that I am a "high-functioning schizophrenic with marksman abilities". It is the reason why I am overeducated and underemployed.

Up to you if you want to believe me.

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Reply #142 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 1:59pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:24pm:

thegreatdivide,

I am near-sighted with the need to watch the television at a distance of 5 metres with my glasses on. But, I was able to hit a target at a distance of 1200 metres 4 times, using a 1920s-style sniper rifle. It is a standard shot for anyone in the military with marksman abilities.

Near-sighted people make good snipers. You just need to understand the weather conditions to be good at the job.

The army tested my eyesight, and rejected me.

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Reply #143 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 2:15pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 1:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:00pm:

You remind me of Jack Nicholson's character in "A Few Good Men"; the decorated general was outed for issuing a 'code red' resulting in the illegal death of a soldier.

"Go easy on insurgents" who are trained killers (like the good general...) ; yes, I see the problem....do you?

I will give you a story. Whether you believe me or not is up to you.

You are still attempting to draw conclusions about how the world works, on the basis of your own experience of it, a big mistake - but let's read on.

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In August of the year 1997, I was applying to join the Australian Army as a rifleman. This particular afternoon, there was a bit of a problem out at the rifle range. A former Vietnam Veteran had this 46-year-old "draft dodger", beaten and up against post of the target shooting arena.

It was not true that the 46 y.o. was a "draft dodger". The issue was that the guy was boning the Vietnam Veteran's wife for quite a while. The Warrant Officer wanted me to murder the man. Being 18 years old, and an idealist, I refused to shoot the man. It would have been labelled an accident. But I did not want to shoot the man in cold blood -- considering that the 46 y.o. was recognised as the guy who taught me how to shoot rifles (accurately) when I was 11 or 12 years old.

After refusing a few times, the Warrant Officer (or whatever inappropriate officer's rank he had), walked up to me, pulled out his pistol, pointed it at my face and said that it was either him or me. I thought about it momentarily. I walked over to the rifle, aimed near the guy tied up 200 metres away, and fired the Lee Enfield .303. I missed him... deliberately. Then I faked an eye injury to avoid shooting again.

The Major saw what was going on. He decided that my application be "put on hold". The Warrant Officer got on the phone and made a call to the police station. I hung around for about 20 minutes debating whether to kill the W.O. that day. But, I got back in my "shitbox" car and went home.

Not eating much that night, I decided to "go see a movie". I got in my car and drove all the way out to Cawarral. I got out; took my water bottle; and jumped the chain-linked fence to go to the area where the guy was still tied up. I cut his binds gave him some water; and let him have the muesli bar that I pretended to be taking to the movies.

Not much was said that night. I jumped the fence and went home. Three months later, I was genuinely over town at the movies. My friends ditched me for the nightclubs. I decided to walk to the pub for a drink. Then I walked home. The taxi service in town was terrible. Nobody wanted to take me 5km home. There was also this security guard stalking me. When I turned to confront the "rent a cop", he smiled, pulled out a hand gun and readied to fire at me. But, before he was able to fire, I heard a cracking sound, followed by the security guard falling forward. 300 metres down the laneway, I saw the silhouetted figure of a tall man holding what might have been a rifle. And I heard a familiar voice shout in the distance "Get the fkk out of here!" before the silhouetted man disappeared around the corner.

Police questioned me the next day because I had walked into the Bolsover Police Station, about ready to make a statement that night. I walked out and ran most of the way home.

"At some stage" years later, that newly divorced Warrant Officer was found dead in his modest home residence, with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. I did not say much to the police the following night after the incident. My story was credible. The shooter remains at large to this day. And I have a police profile record of me that states that I am a "high-functioning schizophrenic with marksman abilities". It is the reason why I am overeducated and underemployed.

Up to you if you want to believe me.

What's not to believe?

The army trains people to be killers, under the doctrine of "legal" war, that's my point.

It's time for the ICJ to adjudicate on disputes which hitherto have resulted in war, to fulfil the UN Charter's mission to "save mankind from the scourge o war".

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Reply #144 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 2:17pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 1:59pm:

The army tested my eyesight, and rejected me.

The army tested my personality... and rejected my application. Four years later, they said I was too late for East Timor. But I could get my university debt wiped clear if I was in the army reserves.

Debt-free; still somewhat near-sighted; and I still hold the state record for longest sniper shot in the Australasian. My under 20s record still remains an unofficial world record.

You were making excuses about why you could not join. But, if your eyesight is that bad, then I can understand why the army or airforce could not accept you. If you were under the age of 50, you can still join the navy. Meet those large sharks out near Samoa. That is what I did in the year 2013.

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Reply #146 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:00pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:20pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 5:59pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 16^th, 2024 at 1:59pm:

Although I am not an accredited psychologist, I can say with some authority that "thegreatdivide" is a genuine egomaniacal psychopath. The fact that he/she/it tries to hide behind a "woke personality" is evident of my accusation.

I am about ready to see "thegreatdivide" being banned from OzPol. Go to PoliticalAnimal and have Jasin babysit you. He is a lot smarter than you.

Yeah nah you're not and you can't say with anything with any authority. Grin

Oh ffs, Gnads. "thegreatdivide" is so far left, he orbited the planet a couple of times and gave himself jetlag.

Even Anthony Albanese stops off in Hong Kong for "stretching his legs and getting some emails downloaded" before he continues onward to Beijing.

That just makes TGD & Albo both far left ideologues.

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Reply #147 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:11pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 1:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 12:00pm:

You remind me of Jack Nicholson's character in "A Few Good Men"; the decorated general was outed for issuing a 'code red' resulting in the illegal death of a soldier.

"Go easy on insurgents" who are trained killers (like the good general...) ; yes, I see the problem....do you?

I will give you a story. Whether you believe me or not is up to you.

In August of the year 1997, I was applying to join the Australian Army as a rifleman. This particular afternoon, there was a bit of a problem out at the rifle range. A former Vietnam Veteran had this 46-year-old "draft dodger", beaten and up against post of the target shooting arena.

It was not true that the 46 y.o. was a "draft dodger". The issue was that the guy was boning the Vietnam Veteran's wife for quite a while. The Warrant Officer wanted me to murder the man. Being 18 years old, and an idealist, I refused to shoot the man. It would have been labelled an accident. But I did not want to shoot the man in cold blood -- considering that the 46 y.o. was recognised as the guy who taught me how to shoot rifles (accurately) when I was 11 or 12 years old.

After refusing a few times, the Warrant Officer (or whatever inappropriate officer's rank he had), walked up to me, pulled out his pistol, pointed it at my face and said that it was either him or me. I thought about it momentarily. I walked over to the rifle, aimed near the guy tied up 200 metres away, and fired the Lee Enfield .303. I missed him... deliberately. Then I faked an eye injury to avoid shooting again.

The Major saw what was going on. He decided that my application be "put on hold". The Warrant Officer got on the phone and made a call to the police station. I hung around for about 20 minutes debating whether to kill the W.O. that day. But, I got back in my "shitbox" car and went home.

Not eating much that night, I decided to "go see a movie". I got in my car and drove all the way out to Cawarral. I got out; took my water bottle; and jumped the chain-linked fence to go to the area where the guy was still tied up. I cut his binds gave him some water; and let him have the muesli bar that I pretended to be taking to the movies.

Not much was said that night. I jumped the fence and went home. Three months later, I was genuinely over town at the movies. My friends ditched me for the nightclubs. I decided to walk to the pub for a drink. Then I walked home. The taxi service in town was terrible. Nobody wanted to take me 5km home. There was also this security guard stalking me. When I turned to confront the "rent a cop", he smiled, pulled out a hand gun and readied to fire at me. But, before he was able to fire, I heard a cracking sound, followed by the security guard falling forward. 300 metres down the laneway, I saw the silhouetted figure of a tall man holding what might have been a rifle. And I heard a familiar voice shout in the distance "Get the fkk out of here!" before the silhouetted man disappeared around the corner.

Police questioned me the next day because I had walked into the Bolsover Police Station, about ready to make a statement that night. I walked out and ran most of the way home.

"At some stage" years later, that newly divorced Warrant Officer was found dead in his modest home residence, with an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. I did not say much to the police the following night after the incident. My story was credible. The shooter remains at large to this day. And I have a police profile record of me that states that I am a "high-functioning schizophrenic with marksman abilities". It is the reason why I am overeducated and underemployed.

Up to you if you want to believe me.

OMG your schizophrenia is extra large in this story.....

after all your posted supposed history it just gets more grandiose by the post.

Forget all the BS TAFE style training go into writing short story fiction ....

you have an uncanny knack for it. Grin

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Reply #148 - Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:22pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 2:17pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 1:59pm:

The army tested my eyesight, and rejected me.

The army tested my personality... and rejected my application. Four years later, they said I was too late for East Timor. But I could get my university debt wiped clear if I was in the army reserves.

Debt-free; still somewhat near-sighted; and I still hold the state record for longest sniper shot in the Australasian. My under 20s record still remains an unofficial world record.

You were making excuses about why you could not join. But, if your eyesight is that bad, then I can understand why the army or airforce could not accept you. If you were under the age of 50, you can still join the navy. Meet those large sharks out near Samoa. That is what I did in the year 2013.

Well they at least got one thing right.

As for 2013 - Yeah nah .... no you didn't.

Your police record, your alcohol & drug dependencies would have seen to that.

You haven't had enough of a lifetime to do all the things you claim to have done.

To do what you claim you should be at least as old as I am. Grin

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Reply #149 - Oct 19^th, 2024 at 10:54am

Gnads wrote on Oct 18^th, 2024 at 6:00pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 17^th, 2024 at 7:20pm:

Oh ffs, Gnads. "thegreatdivide" is so far left, he orbited the planet a couple of times and gave himself jetlag.

Even Anthony Albanese stops off in Hong Kong for "stretching his legs and getting some emails downloaded" before he continues onward to Beijing.

That just makes TGD & Albo both far left ideologues.

Are you serious? When Albo proposed that stupid VoiceToFreeRights back in mid 2023, I thought one of those people on stage had a pistol in Albo's back. A year later, it seems that Albo was quite genuine.

Reading TGD's proposals about Australian economic reforms for more equitable distribution of wealth, I bet even Albo would be irritated enough to tell TGD where to get TGD's leg speared.

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