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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #195 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:03pm

If you have been inside a prison, you know that they will feed you. And if they don't feed you, you starve to death. And if you starve to death, the prison loses funding. If the prison losing funding, the guards start to not care. And if the guards start to not care, there are more revolving door prisons.

Feed the bitches and bastards a fatty meal. Send them home willing to have a home cooked meal asap. They won't be willing to eat sloppy prison food for a while.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #196 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:22pm

lee wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 2:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Er....poor lee: being brought before 'revolving-door courts' IS merely "being a repeat offender, whether charged or not".

So having not been charged, how can he be brought before the "revolving-door courts". Shocked

Charged by police, but repeatedly dismissed by the 'revolving-door court'. (I suspected you weren't smart enough to understand 'revolving-door court'.

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a repeat offender isn't concerned about right or wrong, even if he can distinguish between the two.

So he knows they are wrong but does it anyway. The very definition of a repeat offender. Grin

Your low-grade comprehension skills showing as always;
"even if" he knows right from wrong...but apparently many kids don't know, hence the current misplaced controversy re 'age of criminal responsibility', when the real issue is the entrenched poverty responsible for youth crime.

But Conservatives don't do causation.

Deplorable.

Even Crisafulli recognizes the need for "early intervention" to stop the "adult crime, adult time" merry- go-round.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #197 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

Charged by police, but repeatedly dismissed by the 'revolving-door court'.

But you said - "IS merely "being a repeat offender, whether charged or not"."

If they haven't been charged they haven't been to court. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:22pm:

Your low-grade comprehension skills showing as always;
"even if" he knows right from wrong...but apparently many kids don't know, hence the current misplaced controversy re 'age of criminal responsibility', when the real issue is the entrenched poverty responsible for youth crime.

So even if "he knows right from wrong" then it wasn't wrong behaviour. Grin

At what age do kids know right from wrong? When one of their peers get charged? or doesn't that twig with them either? Roll Eyes

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #198 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:04pm

lee wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:37pm:

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But you said - "IS merely "being a repeat offender, whether charged or not"."

If they haven't been charged they haven't been to court. Roll Eyes

Poor lee's crippled brain... trying an egg-head lawyer's act; I said "being brought before the revolving door courts" - a term you didn't/don't understand.

I also said "Charged by police, but repeatedly dismissed by the 'revolving-door court'; you still failed to understand.

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the real issue is the entrenched poverty responsible for youth crime.

Ignored by you again, proving conservatives don't do causation.

Deplorable.

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So even if "he knows right from wrong" then it wasn't wrong behaviour. Grin

More of your egghead lawyer act...a specialty of Conservatives.

Passion can overrule reason at any age, even if the individual knows the crime is wrong.

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At what age do kids know right from wrong? When one of their peers get charged? or doesn't that twig with them either? Roll Eyes

More dumb questions from dumb lee.

Take it up with egghead lawyers in the revolving door courts, I already explained the issue requiring attention is entrenched socio economic disadvantage.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #199 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

Poor lee's crippled brain... trying an egg-head lawyer's act; I said "being brought before the revolving door courts" - a term you didn't/don't understand.

I do understand. But people who aren't charged are not brought before the "revolving door courts". You are so silly. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

I also said "Charged by police, but repeatedly dismissed by the 'revolving-door court'; you still failed to understand.

But you also said "whether charged or not". You don't even recognise the deficits in your thinking. So obtuse. Shocked

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

Passion can overrule reason at any age, even if the individual knows the crime is wrong.

So it is not wrong to be passionate about committing criminal behaviour. Grin

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Reply #200 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:24pm

lee wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:09pm:

But you also said "whether charged or not".

Recidivism - repeatedly charged by police, whether charged by the courts or not.

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You don't even recognise the deficits in your thinking. So obtuse. Shocked

Too funny coming from lee's eggehead lawyer act.

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So it is not wrong to be passionate about committing criminal behaviour. Grin

A crime of/with passion is generally considered to be less agregious.

Good luck trying to ignore the issue of entrenched socio- economic disadvantage, while prisons are already overcrowded.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #201 - Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:54pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Recidivism - repeatedly charged by police, whether charged by the courts or not.

Wrong. The Police charge, sometimes prosecute, else DPP, the courts deliver a verdict; they do not charge.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Too funny coming from lee's eggehead lawyer act.

You are so stupid. Shocked

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

A crime of/with passion is generally considered to be less agregious.

So a passionate murder, brings a lesser sentence. Grin

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #203 - Oct 31^st, 2024 at 5:54am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Gnads wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 7:21am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 28^th, 2024 at 7:17am:

lee wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 2:13pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 27^th, 2024 at 12:42pm:

Correct: you can't be locked up if you have never committed a crime, hence you can't be a 'recidivist' (and be locked up twice ...)

You confuse "committing a crime" with a sentence for committing a crime.

"One who falls back into prior habits, especially criminal habits; a repeat offender.

Nothing to do with being sentenced. Roll Eyes

Funny how quickly the notion of innocent until proven guilty evaporates when skin colour changes.

That's just Horse shyte.

What colour horse ?

Piebald.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #204 - Oct 31^st, 2024 at 5:57am

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

If you have been inside a prison, you know that they will feed you. And if they don't feed you, you starve to death. And if you starve to death, the prison loses funding. If the prison losing funding, the guards start to not care. And if the guards start to not care, there are more revolving door prisons.

Feed the bitches and bastards a fatty meal. Send them home willing to have a home cooked meal asap. They won't be willing to eat sloppy prison food for a while.

You speaking from experience?

Most of them don't know what a home cooked meal is ..... they live on take-aways & junk food.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #205 - Oct 31^st, 2024 at 11:30am

lee wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Recidivism - repeatedly charged by police, whether charged by the courts or not.

Wrong. The Police charge, sometimes prosecute, else DPP, the courts deliver a verdict; they do not charge.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Too funny coming from lee's eggehead lawyer act.

You are so stupid. Shocked

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

A crime of/with passion is generally considered to be less agregious.

So a passionate murder, brings a lesser sentence. Grin

Tell it to the demi-White Kiwi asshole who burned wife and kids in car...... I doubt he'll see daylight ever.... did he die? Can't remember...

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #206 - Oct 31^st, 2024 at 12:25pm

lee wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 30^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Recidivism - repeatedly charged by police, whether charged by the courts or not.

Wrong. The Police charge, sometimes prosecute, else DPP, the courts deliver a verdict; they do not charge.

See ....nitpicking-lee's egghead lawyer act: the revolving door courts continually overturn police charges, because they know locking youth up won't deal with the causes of youth crime; and prisons are already full; and its not their business to design early intervention programs (which "adult crime, adult time" Crisafulli at least is prepared to consider).

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So a passionate murder, brings a lesser sentence. Grin

Poor blind, dumb lee , can't educate himself:

Yes, a crime of passion can result in a lower sentence because it's considered a partial defense to a criminal charge:

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A crime of passion is a crime committed in the heat of the moment, usually in response to something that provoked the person.

Meanwhile, make yourself useful (despite low IQ) and have a go at considering the causes of youth crime, and suggest some "early interventions"

Crisafulli needs your assistance urgently.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #207 - Oct 31^st, 2024 at 2:43pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 12:25pm:

See ....nitpicking-lee's egghead lawyer act: the revolving door courts continually overturn police charges, because they know locking youth up won't deal with the causes of youth crime; and prisons are already full; and its not their business to design early intervention programs (which "adult crime, adult time"

So now you say the courts don't charge as you claimed but it is a nitpick. So we can see exactly what you know about the justice system. Which is of course a BIG "0", Zip. Nada.

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 12:25pm:

Yes, a crime of passion can result in a lower sentence because it's considered a partial defense to a criminal charge:

Definition

A crime of passion is a crime committed in the heat of the moment, usually in response to something that provoked the person.

And nothing in your daffynition says anything about a reduced sentence. Roll Eyes

But of course you rely on "can". The same as people can get a reduced sentence by pleading to "coming from a broken home". Grin

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Reply #208 - Oct 31^st, 2024 at 6:28pm

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 2:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 12:25pm:

See ....nitpicking-lee's egghead lawyer act: the revolving door courts continually overturn police charges, because they know locking youth up won't deal with the causes of youth crime; and prisons are already full; and its not their business to design early intervention programs (which "adult crime, adult time"

So now you say the courts don't charge as you claimed but it is a nitpick.

poor lee is confused: under Labor, courts have avoided imprisoning youth whom police have arrested (hence 'revolving-door' courts); that's why the 'tough on crime' LNP won the election, promising to "lock'em up" - which the courts were failing to do.

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And nothing in your daffynition says anything about a reduced sentence. Roll Eyes

Poor lee can't read ( forget comprehension:)

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But of course you rely on "can". The same as people can get a reduced sentence by pleading to "coming from a broken home". Grin

Ah, he CAN read... but forget comprehension.

Poor socio-economic background IS taken into account by courts, who nevertheless don't concern themselves with early intervention, that's the government's job. Let's see what Crisafulli can do about 'broken homes', which Labor failed to do.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #209 - Oct 31^st, 2024 at 7:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 6:28pm:

poor lee is confused: under Labor, courts have avoided imprisoning youth whom police have arrested (hence 'revolving-door' courts); that's why the 'tough on crime' LNP won the election, promising to "lock'em up" - which the courts were failing to do.

So yours is not confusion, just outright lying about the courts bringing charges. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 6:28pm:

Poor lee can't read ( forget comprehension:)

And does nothing prove his assertion, hence it is me being wrong. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 31^st, 2024 at 6:28pm:

Poor socio-economic background IS taken into account by courts, who nevertheless don't concern themselves with early intervention, that's the government's job.

No You said it yourself: "can result in a lower sentence", No IS about it. Roll Eyes

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