Given their restrictive upbringing - maybe there is an argument that ten year old Aboriginal children are not capable of making a valid judgement of right and wrong.  If they are so physically neglected that the rates of Removal - after a long, drawn-out, and strenuous process and not just at the drop of a hat - for neglect and abuse - surely they have had little to no opportunity to see or learn the difference between right and wrong.

Nobody has shown them the ropes - and we are talking about those who turn to criminal activity, not all of them, dorks - so they cannot know right from wrong, and so are not PERSONALLY responsible at that age - so perhaps there is a need to look at setting parents straight by Early Intervention with them.  How any government could go about that is beyond me - and it is clearly very 'paternalistic', and so would draw the most incredible criticism.

Damned if they do and damned if they don't.... so at some point someone has to draw a hard line and say - 'no more'!

You can argue the merits of the NT decision on early dispatch to reform school...... which is what this is - not 'sending them to prison'...

Maybe governments could consider the Park plan, wherein the residents - initially at least - go to live there because they want to 'do things their way' (though what these kids get up to shows what that means in reality far too often) - and perhaps these kids could get their minds right from being taught the True Ways etc.  (snark remark)  They could even learn how to run Safaris and hunting!!

I've known some Elders who have great ideas, but no avenues for putting them in place... the equivalent of the Kokoda Trail for instance - taking the young people along the traditional route between highland and coast, a seasonal thing, showing them the resources etc along the way... and how to eat and live etc (well - back-pack some cans of baked beans - you can live on it but it tastes like poo - some garlic to go with the yabbies)...

In any case - something has to be done - and nobody is listening to the wiser heads up there - your Jacinta Prices and such... you can take the kid out of the abusive family  but you can never take the abusive family out of the kid once it is entrenched .... so somewhere, somehow, you have to start with the adults....

Ideas without rancour, children??   Be better and less paranoid and less divisive and exclusive....

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 9:34am:


Observe  graps, unlike lee, opening his mind....

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It's beyond governments crippled by the current neoclassical economic orthodoxy which pits taxpayers against taxpayers.

But there IS another way, to enable resource mobilization for the benefit of all - NOT "paternalism".

https://findingmoneyfilm.com/

'Finding the money'

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Yes, we must hope the current babble of mainstream economists are swept into the dustbin of history before too long; maybe Trump's certain failure (before the mid terms) to MAGA for all the people who elected him, will hasten the process, after proving neither Trump's nor the mainstream (dem/repub) economic policies work. 

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Yes.

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Alright for a few jobs, but the fact is most will have to be shown how  to prosper in the modern economy - welfare dependency is not an acceptable model.

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Yes, but Price is an IPA "freemarket" ideologue, so "what can be done" is already very limited by the free-market's  allocation of resources. 

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Me and lee?   He's the ultimate blind, Conservative  'poverty is always with us' market ideologue.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 11:35am:


Np your wish is to somehow reduce all criminality, until your wishes are met. No age limit because "failed parents".

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 11:35am:


Yes it is.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 11:35am:


There is no such thing as "genteel poverty". Are homeless people living in "genteel poverty?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 11:35am:


Oh dear. Now he claims Don knows all.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 11:35am:


No it doesn't. You are still responsible for your life choices, no one forces you to do anything.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 11:35am:


So SE Asians are not treated as "whartey's"? But they are not white. thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

Not from me. From YOU, who can tell?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 7^th, 2024 at 11:35am:


That's an assumption. You get greed related crime in ghettos. It is why "gangsta's" thrive.

You really are a half-trick pony.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 10:56am:


This is entirely intentional, it’s the way things operate here by design. A topic is introduced, not for genuine discussion, but as a mere springboard for the usual vitriol.

Recently, we've seen a push to demand that others answer questions and share their views, using those replied, no matter what they are, as the jumping-off point, yet the same pattern unfolds: the familiar culprits launch into their predictable rants, regardless of the actual issue, always driven by the same agenda.

What’s almost amusing is their feeble attempt to conceal this under the veneer of 'genuine discussion.' There’s one individual in particular who can’t manage even a semblance of subtlety and reminds us of this fact with every interaction.

Point of Interest:-  The moment someone up there (Kazaly) comes up with the idea of lowering the age of criminal responsibility down to 10 or so ................... we'll let that one hang in the air until you catch up ........ ...........  are you there yet? ... ................each and every one of you Fearless Crusaders For Poor Oppressed Aboriginal Rights instantly takes the position that this is against Aboriginal children criminals.

You need to consider why that is clearly the truth - I'll be back later to watch you squirm on this hook ...

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 8^th, 2024 at 11:38am:


Which is?   

Immediately after I wrote:



...which you blithely ignored.

So what is the issue re age of criminal  responsibility?

I have thoroughly debunked your 'personal responsibilty' mantra in my reply to the useful idiot lee, as he exposes his blind Conservative 'poverty is always with us' mantra.

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Race? - not in my case  (though Oz blacks ARE burdened by issues of culture as well as the economy which affects the rest of us); but your 'personal responsibility' ideology is rooted in the same blindness as Lee's 'poverty is always with us' ideology (which is why he's saying some poor people don't commit crime, therefore  nothing to see re poverty and crime).

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The need for state-managed child protection is itself evidence of macroeconomic dysfunction hidden  under welfare dependency.   

Well then - state your position clearly without all the usual runaround about the poor black remains in thrall to all the down-sides of civilisation etc..... stick to the subject without the hyperbole...

As for Kanga - the vitriol never begins with me - I'm just better at it than youse losers - most of my posts are on the subject unless you compel response to your silliness.

What are the odds that the Northern Territory will make a deal with Arnhem Land to become the de facto Park up there (Kazaly), take in all the Aboriginal troublemakers, starting with the kids for whom there is some hope (10% or so), and re-larn them how to go about things proper, according to the Noble Aboriginal Proud Person ways - become persons of such integrity that nobody can call them losers.... and they can stand tall as grown men and women and say nobody can point the bone at them for being criminals or doing criminal things.....

Anyone?  Where else are they going to put all these kids first - then all the adults - other than in The Park or equivalent so that their Elders can set them on the True Paths Of Righteous Behaviour etc, re-educate them and get their minds right about responsible behaviour and ways to get ahead in life?

Some people are doing that already up there (Kazaly),  sort of an aquascoot thing with young fullahs and such being taught horse skills and cattle skills and such and getting a grip on what it feels like to EARN pride in their skills and abilities.... and BECOME someone in their own eyes and those of others..... you won't get that by continued affirmative action, soft soaping, supporting them in their victimhood mentality, and throwing handfuls of dollars at brick walls...

They're gonna need a bigger aquascoot family .....