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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #15 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 2:35pm

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 7:13am:

Idiots.

Locking kids up leads to recidivism. Almost exclusively. It leads to long term interaction with law enforcement.

We know this. This is not revolutionary information. It's not "woke". It's not culturally Marxist.

It's simply the facts as we know them.

We also know that black kids are locked up (and zip tied) for crime white kids do every single day and barely register a reaction.

But until we break through the kind of absolute prejudice still infesting our society, so evident on this forum, we are going to get absolutely nowhere.

And i know you're all idiots, but the people actually designing this aren't ... although you share a common goal.

Leaving the little rascals in their own communities leads to recidivism starting at the earliest possible age.

What say ye to that? Yardle, yardle, yardle - it's all about 'prejudice' - no lie about it - them kids are FORCED by 'prejudice' to go and steal cars and break into homes. It's got nothing to do with the actions and inactions of their 'parents' and 'elders' - nothing to do with the way they are raised... nothing to do with what they see as 'normal' within their own community and social group.

It's the 'prejudice' that drives them to crime and prison...... I'd be happy to hold a prejudice against some little plick who stole my car and smashed it into a wall or a police car and killed several people doing it. Jeez - I'm a bit touchy! I'm prepared to hold prejudice against the arschlock who beat up the ex's daughter (dead man walking), and also against the arschlock who called me a white count (promoted from simple lord) ... far chem both!!

Do you have a single idea of any single REAL issue outside of your emotional mumbo-jumbo?

It takes an entire village/community to raise a young criminal asshole.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74548 Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #16 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 2:57pm No surprise crappler is all for locking up 10 yr olds what a hero he is
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #17 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 4:38pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 7:39am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 7:34am:

mothra,

If you live outside of Qld, please don't comment any further on this. You are obviously too woke and naive to know any better.

Get bent, Rocky.

Well - I guess that puts HIS little red wagon in the repair shop!! Grin

Whenever mothra goes to get her engine light checked out, she goes cross-eyed for 20 minutes; forgets why she got into her car in the first place; and then 2-wheel reverse parks her car onto some shopping centre bollard. Afterwards, she eats at some sushi store, and awaits a phone call from local police.

That way, she knows that people will think that her car was stolen by car thieves. And the community will rally to her aid and have her car towed to the nearest autorepair store for some charitable engine rebuild.

Afterwards, all she has to do is an "Acknowledgement of Country" at school assemblies. She thinks that no one are the wiser about her scams.

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Valkie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16142 Central Coast Gender:	Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility Reply #18 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:11pm Criminals are criminals. I'm for the three strikes rule. 2 chances, then life behind bars, or better, elimination from the human race. Why should honest, law abiding people be subject to criminals and parasites.
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #19 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:15pm

John Smith wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 2:57pm:

No surprise crappler is all for locking up 10 yr olds Roll Eyes

what a hero he is

Clearly your ability to read and interpret what is written is as bad as your ability to discover a solid retort.

Now then Poppets - this is what Fanatics do - they can't even discuss a real issue, let alone understnad it, but must always try to make it personal. We've got three or four of those here.... all racists, segregationists, apartheidists, genocidists, Judeophobes and Wharteyophobes.

I challenge them all to go out and live the sacred lifestyle for a month....

Survivor - Aboriginal Diet and Lifestyle
.... in tonight's episode we see one contender thrown off for bringing in a bottle of vitamin pills....... and how Mothsmith handles living in a humpy by a mosquito riddled creek .... will Skanker survive a diet of roast roo and snake oil when the fire dies out accidentally ...... how will they cope with another group contending for the creek and food supply ............... tune in tonight on Survivor - Abo Lifestyle ....

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #20 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:43pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 1:27pm:

institutional welfare dependancy?

Yes:

https://pavlina-tcherneva.net/the-case-for-a-job-guarantee/

One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy. This assumption has provided cover for the devastating social and economic costs of job insecurity. It is also false.

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it should have been pulled out by its tap root before it was ever allowed to blossom.

By whom? Government admionsters the 'welfare' system aka the poverty industry - full of grifters (as you say) of all kinds including in the bureaucracy.

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and who benefits from institutional welfare dependancy?

No-one, neither the government who must fund the 'correctional' services, and poor health outcomes, nor the receivers of welfare themselves who adapt to subsistence poverty level existance.

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the middle management civil servants and grifters who are, in essence, dependant on ever increasing "herds" of welfare recipients to advance their careers and pay their own mortgage.

Exactly, as noted above......occasionally you get it right!

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the solution will have to come from the people who understand that we were put on this earth to contribute and to create and to eradicate suffering
(not to take, and suck on the titty of an authority figure) and not to use the suffering of others as an opportunity to virtue signal.

Now you are back to the usual - getting it wrong:

"One of the most enduring ideas in economics is that unemployment is both unavoidable and necessary for the smooth functioning of the economy.

People want to contribute, but if flat-earth economists say inflation needs to be controlled by unemployment....we have a problem.

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in practical terms,

...waits for the argument with bated breath...

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this means that the same sort of people who volunteer for the rural fire brigade or for clean up australia or for the surf life savers or for mens sheds or for pony clubs , need to move into areas of poverty and provide real help.

Ah - volunteers must 'save the economy', while Bullock is trying to increase unemployment among working people (as noted in the link).

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play sport with kids
teach them to work on cars or fix mowers
teach them to put up fences and grow food
community gardens
teach them emotional control in the boxing ring
take them to the gym, take them fishing
get them interested in little on line marketing ventures
lend them 1000 bucks to start a small business
inspire and encourage by putting your awesome positive attitude on display.

Ah - private sector volunteers to save the economy, presumably wealthy enough to donate their time and money...got it.

Rolls off the tongue so easily; but who looks after the kids when the fishing outings cease, and the business venture fails (as most small businesses do)?

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i was talking to a mum of a kid with fairly severe autism and a big NDIS package (about 150,000 pa).

NDIS should be government run, with employees of the NDIS delivering services as required, not delivered by private operators gaming the system.

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mum is going to bring the kid to the local pony club where he can get some real help, for free, from noble conservatives

She should have done that already, she didn't need the NDIS.

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the virtue signalling grifters have failed this child and 10's of 1000's like him, because they would never get off their fat asses and actually do something constructive Cry

Your errors exposed above: the dysfunctional macroeconomy - beyond the reach of individuals who must earn a living - is as much a problem as poor attitudes of some individuals.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #22 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:59pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 4:38pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 7:39am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 7:34am:

mothra,

If you live outside of Qld, please don't comment any further on this. You are obviously too woke and naive to know any better.

Get bent, Rocky.

Well - I guess that puts HIS little red wagon in the repair shop!! Grin

Whenever mothra goes to get her engine light checked out, she goes cross-eyed for 20 minutes; forgets why she got into her car in the first place; and then 2-wheel reverse parks her car onto some shopping centre bollard. Afterwards, she eats at some sushi store, and awaits a phone call from local police.

That way, she knows that people will think that her car was stolen by car thieves. And the community will rally to her aid and have her car towed to the nearest autorepair store for some charitable engine rebuild.

Afterwards, all she has to do is an "Acknowledgement of Country" at school assemblies. She thinks that no one are the wiser about her scams.

A mostly ad hominem, nonsense narrative (unlike aquascoot's reply to mothra)

You lose.... now back to sensible community intervention to solve the problem; aqua thinks volunteers will help... a worthwhile concept (but flawed as I explained).

graps ofcourse is his usual nasty self: lock'em up, bugger dealing with the causes of bad behaviour.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #23 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 6:04pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:47pm:

Okay thegreatdivide....

I'm more interested in aquacoot's ideas; you and graps are useless 'personal responsibility' ideologues.

Personal responsibility doesn't solve systemic macroeconomic dysfunction, nor the consequences of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #24 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 6:15pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 6:04pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:47pm:

Okay thegreatdivide....

I'm more interested in aquacoot's ideas; you and graps are useless 'personal responsibility' ideologues.

Personal responsibility doesn't solve systemic macroeconomic dysfunction, nor the consequences of entrenched socio-economic disadvantage.

Grapps and I are speaking ill of the continued borrowed time that certain indigenous people like to make, at the expense of the general taxpayer.

When the year 2028 comes around, please make sure that you have had your attitude adjusted to reflect modern times. 36 years after the "Mabo Decision", should be ample time for anyone who is indigenous Australian to get their lives in reasonable, law-abiding, healthy order.

Social problems arising from the "Stolen Generation" allegations would have died out by the year 2010.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #25 - Oct 13^th, 2024 at 6:24pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:59pm:

A mostly ad hominem, nonsense narrative (unlike aquascoot's reply to mothra)

You lose.... now back to sensible community intervention to solve the problem; aqua thinks volunteers will help... a worthwhile concept (but flawed as I explained).

graps ofcourse is his usual nasty self: lock'em up, bugger dealing with the causes of bad behaviour.

Here is an idea: Put the crack pipe down; go outside; get some fresh air; clear your mind of any woke, counter-intuitive ideals; then come back inside and write a reasoned response to my sardonic rants.

And if I was wrong about assuming that you are taking some kind of illicit "medication", perhaps you should consult a psychiatrist about what it is that is wrong with your mindset.

I have lived rough for the last 24 of my 45 years. The fact that I have it relatively easy by comparison to some other people, is something that I dedicate to myself being rather perceptive. However, I did not take into account the last 3 months of my life being a new learning experience for me.

Your casual superiority complex smugness is so obvious to me and the rest of the Australian community that I would not have a problem if your own sobriety attempt would end up leaving you in your "own personal hell".

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #26 - Oct 14^th, 2024 at 12:02am

Funny thing is - I never said anything about just locking them up.... I've covered many things in this discussion but not that .... so it is clear that the Undertow here doesn't even read what is written, let alone understand it.

So far that's Smith and Methra - and we all know dividie is off with the fairies all the time... nobody really bothers with his meanderings.... give 'em all a job... make 'em work Grin

... modern monetary theory... good thing it's just another theory ...

Just a pack of haters.... laughable ... the 'dark stain on our nation' is more like a dark train at the station waiting to go somewhere real ..... the dark stain is on the parents and Elders who raise these villages full of young criminals...... the fanatics wouldn't know the difference...... but they'll learn when it all comes tumbling down....

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #27 - Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:28am

it takes a village to raise a child
and if a child doesnt feel the warmth of the love of the other villagers
that child will burn down the village to feel that warmth

being successful in business allows you the joy of mentoring the next wave of business people
if you are a chode, you despise the next wave of successful people and you will not help them

and we have very few people who want to experience the joy of mentoring the next generation.

people like moth think that a newly graduated naive 23 yo woke social worker is going to turn a 15 yo delinquents life around
its not going to happen

and older men who should be mentoring and assisting tend to be driving around in big caravans with "spending the kids inheritance" emblazened on the side.

a big F you to that 15 yo

or they tend to be chattering away for 8 years about trump.

society does not care about 15 yo wayward boys.

they expect the government to step in and fix it

when i say that aboriginal youth have gone backwards on 17 of the 19 parameters since the closing the gap iniative, anyone who was not a liar ( you know, like trump) would say this is a widening the gap iniative.

can we expect action?

no

the vested interests wont act and the society is just used to taking and getting and being entitled.

until the community takes personal responsibility, there will be no progress

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #28 - Oct 14^th, 2024 at 12:14pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 6:24pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 13^th, 2024 at 5:59pm:

A mostly ad hominem, nonsense narrative (unlike aquascoot's reply to mothra)

You lose.... now back to sensible community intervention to solve the problem; aqua thinks volunteers will help... a worthwhile concept (but flawed as I explained).

graps ofcourse is his usual nasty self: lock'em up, bugger dealing with the causes of bad behaviour.

Here is an idea:

At last....

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Put the crack pipe down; go outside; get some fresh air; clear your mind of any woke, counter-intuitive ideals; then come back inside and write a reasoned response to my sardonic rants.

See my reply to aquascoot, who I am obliged to reply to now...

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I have lived rough for the last 24 of my 45 years. The fact that I have it relatively easy by comparison to some other people, is something that I dedicate to myself being rather perceptive. However, I did not take into account the last 3 months of my life being a new learning experience for me.

And you remain woefully ignorant about the causes of macro economic disadvantage, and the related bad behaviours exhibited by individuals living in poverty-ghettos and dysfunctional families.

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Your casual superiority complex smugness...

My contempt for your 'personal responsibility' mantra is extreme, indeed.

Poverty in rich countries is a choice of systemic political dysfunction, caused by obsolete flat earth neoclassical economics; there is no shortage of essential resources in the modern world.

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is so obvious to me and the rest of the Australian community that I would not have a problem if your own sobriety attempt would end up leaving you in your "own personal hell".

See - back to your failed attempt to 'understand' systemic socio-economic disadvantage, on the basis of your own experiences (and failures).

Delorable.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #29 - Oct 14^th, 2024 at 12:53pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 14^th, 2024 at 5:28am:

it takes a village to raise a child
and if a child doesnt feel the warmth of the love of the other villagers
that child will burn down the village to feel that warmth

being successful in business allows you the joy of mentoring the next wave of business people
if you are a chode, you despise the next wave of successful people and you will not help them

and we have very few people who want to experience the joy of mentoring the next generation.

people like moth think that a newly graduated naive 23 yo woke social worker is going to turn a 15 yo delinquents life around
its not going to happen

and older men who should be mentoring and assisting tend to be driving around in big caravans with "spending the kids inheritance" emblazened on the side.

a big F you to that 15 yo

or they tend to be chattering away for 8 years about trump.

society does not care about 15 yo wayward boys.

they expect the government to step in and fix it

when i say that aboriginal youth have gone backwards on 17 of the 19 parameters since the closing the gap iniative, anyone who was not a liar ( you know, like trump) would say this is a widening the gap iniative.

can we expect action?

no

the vested interests wont act and the society is just used to taking and getting and being entitled.

until the community takes personal responsibility, there will be no progress

What's your idea of an Aboriginal lifestyle Boot Camp for deluded lefties? It actually hurts my gentle soul to use terms like lefties for The Enemy... being as, like most honest and thinking folk, I have foot in both 'left' and 'right' camps.

The thing is that these days the child is socialised to burn down the village.... there's the difference between our thinking ... their 'teenage rebel' period now extends down to about age eight.... and up in some cases to age eighty.....

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