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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #255 - Nov 15^th, 2024 at 11:07am

lee wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 3:34pm:

No dear causes of crime and criminal responsibility are entirely different beings. Roll Eyes

Someone from a low socio-economic/welfare dependent background steals a car, forcing the owner out.

Note: rich people don't steal cars in this fashion.

Obviously the responsibilty for this crime is related to the causes of poverty-related crime.

So we ned to consider the causes of this poverty-related crime, and it relates to crimimal rsponsibility.

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So you don't know if trauma is violence. Thanks for that. Wink

I'm sure if you were subject to a car-hijacking, YOU would quickly find out whether trauma is violence.

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No I inferred that was the only way they would learn it was "whartey's fault". Another different intedrpretation from you. Your not very good are you? Wink

ie, if I "taught" them it was whartey's fault; you are dementing, not a matter of interpretation.

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Because the tread is about the AGE of criminal responsibility, not the CAUSES of criminal resonsibility. Do try to keep up. Roll Eyes

See above: you are exposed as a half-wit. The age is moot: the trauma is the same if your car is stolen at knife point.

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You are showing your biases again. Must be a Keen factor. Grin

Bullock is displaying the ultimate bias with her obsolete and destructive NAIRU dogma.

...while you are simple-mindedly telling the unemployed to employ themselves, to escape welfare dependency.

Deplorable.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #256 - Nov 15^th, 2024 at 11:16am

Valkie wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 4:23pm:

The only real cure is the three strikes rule.
1st time, chastise
2nd time, incarcerate
3rd time , removal from the human race.

And not just for aboriginals.
aaALL CRIMINALS REGARDLESS OF RACE, RELIGION OR COLOUR.

The death penalty doesn't stop crime.

Better to remove systemic (macroeconomc) causes of crime.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #257 - Nov 15^th, 2024 at 11:27am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 4:57pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 14^th, 2024 at 10:30am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 13^th, 2024 at 2:26pm:

Why does everyone think this is an anti-Abo thing? It's another law that covers all....... (heh, heh ... bear trap laid for the unwary - walk right in) ...

I'll play: who thinks that?

Sidestep as big as the Harbour Bridge...

Crime, and age of criminal responsibility.....it's not an "anti- abo" thing, and "everyone" isn't thinking it is.

Do try to keep up.

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in protest at this terrible thing being done to Aboriginal kids...

Well, black kids ARE suffering from the gap including high incarceration rates - an injustice based on race.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #258 - Nov 15^th, 2024 at 12:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15^th, 2024 at 11:07am:

Someone from a low socio-economic/welfare dependent background steals a car, forcing the owner out.

Note: rich people don't steal cars in this fashion.

Obviously the responsibilty for this crime is related to the causes of poverty-related crime.

Being poor, living in poverty does not lead to stealing cars. That comes from their apparent - "I want a car, they have a car, I will take the car". Being poor does not mean you have a right to other people's things. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15^th, 2024 at 11:07am:

I'm sure if you were subject to a car-hijacking, YOU would quickly find out whether trauma is violence.

But you don't want to say. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15^th, 2024 at 11:07am:

if I "taught" them it was whartey's fault

Then the fault would be yours pet. Live with it. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15^th, 2024 at 11:07am:

The age is moot: the trauma is the same if your car is stolen at knife point.

But the criminal responsibility isn't. You really are thick. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15^th, 2024 at 11:07am:

Deplorable.

Yes you are. Grin

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #259 - Nov 15^th, 2024 at 1:51pm

Well - every 'caring' group in the NT thinks the new laws are against Abos and impact on them more... in South Australia the new regulations on public behaviour are impacting more on Abos - and people are resigning from government positions in protest over the impact on Abos ....

Clearly they think it is against Abos.

Makes The Park look like a walk in the park, eh?

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #260 - Nov 16^th, 2024 at 12:01pm

lee wrote on Nov 15^th, 2024 at 12:38pm:

Being poor, living in poverty does not lead to stealing cars.

Half-wit, educate yourself (though probably impossible for "deplorables"...)

eg,

What is the correlation between crime and poverty?

The Relationship Between Poverty and Crime | NCC
Although numerous factors play a role, there is a consensus based on evidence that poverty significantly increases the risk of criminal behavior. Understanding this relationship is crucial for creating effective policies and intervention strategies aimed at reducing crime rates and alleviating poverty at the same time.30 Oct 2024

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Being poor does not mean you have a right to other people's things. Roll Eyes

Correct; but this rare instance of your being correct has resulted from your initial GIGO ideation: poverty IS associated with crime.

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But you don't want to say. Grin

I can assure you car hijacking is traumatic for the victim.

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Then the fault would be yours pet. Live with it. Wink

Halfwit, incapable of logical analysis; you accused me "teaching them its whitey's fault".

But "it's the ecomomy, halfwit"... not "we smashed their culture" (Keating ) which began with the arrival of the First Fleet .

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The age is moot: the trauma is the same if your car is stolen at knife point.

But the criminal responsibility isn't. You really are thick. Roll Eyes

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Halfwit: crime is associated with poverty, regardless of age.

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Yes you are. Grin

You blind "poverty is always with us" ideology is exposed in this thread.

Deplorable.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #261 - Nov 16^th, 2024 at 12:14pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 15^th, 2024 at 1:51pm:

Well - every 'caring' group in the NT thinks the new laws are against Abos and impact on them more...

Correct, because they like you are blind to the policies needed to close the gap. Fiddling around with "age of criminal responsibility" merely illustrates their blindness.

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in South Australia the new regulations on public behaviour are impacting more on Abos - and people are resigning from government positions in protest over the impact on Abos ....

Correct: see above; Labor ruled by neoclassical economists will never close the gap.

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Clearly they think it is against Abos.

Makes The Park look like a walk in the park, eh?

Yes.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #262 - Nov 16^th, 2024 at 12:47pm

Round and round you go, you snarky little thing, you.

Keep trying.... meanwhile - at least you admit all those 'caring' bodies think it's against the Abos..... but seriously - it's only against those who commit serious crimes, no?

Man you are in deep - now you reckon even the luvvies are so far to the right and so deep in error that everyone but you is wrong!

Have you considered psychiatric help?

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #263 - Nov 16^th, 2024 at 1:58pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

What is the correlation between crime and poverty?

So now poverty as well as coming from broken homes, being a part of the stolen generation etc, makes it perfectly alright to steal property that others have paid for; like cars, i-phones, laptops, tv's etc. Being poor may make it alright to steal food, the rest? Definitely not. That you can't see that is telling. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Correct; but this rare instance of your being correct has resulted from your initial GIGO ideation: poverty IS associated with crime.

And nowhere have I said it didn't. As you youself said "your being correct has resulted from your initial GIGO ideation". So my initial ideation was correct, because I am correct as a result of it. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

I can assure you car hijacking is traumatic for the victim.

But was it violent?

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15^th, 2024 at 11:07am:

I'm sure if you were subject to a car-hijacking, YOU would quickly find out whether trauma is violence.

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Halfwit, incapable of logical analysis; you accused me "teaching them its whitey's fault".

So now you want to truncate what I said, to ignore the "if". If that is an example of your "logical analysis" it is fatally flawed. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

Halfwit: crime is associated with poverty, regardless of age.

But I reiterate "Criminal Responsibility" is different. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

You blind "poverty is always with us" ideology is exposed in this thread.

Ah. You mean poverty is not always with us? Please show where this nirvana exists in the real world. Roll Eyes

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #264 - Nov 18^th, 2024 at 11:10am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 12:47pm:

Round and round you go, you snarky little thing, you.

Even after I agreed with your three points, and explained why I agreed with them....

"It's the economy, stupid".

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Keep trying.... meanwhile - at least you admit all those 'caring' bodies think it's against the Abos..... but seriously - it's only against those who commit serious crimes, no?

Correct (...again!): but 'Tough on Crime' ideology ignores the corelation between poverty and high rates of crime.

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Man you are in deep - now you reckon even the luvvies are so far to the right and so deep in error that everyone but you is wrong!

Correct (more ot less...for the sake of the argument); see above.

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Have you considered psychiatric help?

No.

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #265 - Nov 18^th, 2024 at 12:03pm

lee wrote on Nov 16^th, 2024 at 1:58pm:

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So now poverty as well as coming from broken homes, being a part of the stolen generation etc, makes it perfectly alright to steal property that others have paid for; like cars, i-phones, laptops, tv's etc. Being poor may make it alright to steal food, the rest? Definitely not. That you can't see that is telling. Roll Eyes

(sigh; the travails of educating the uneducable...)

1. poverty doesn't excuse crime, it's one cause of crime.

2. Indeed it's crime involving the "rest", not food, we are discussing....I CAN see that.

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Your low IQ again:

Lee:

Being poor, living in poverty does not lead to stealing cars.

But living in poverty IS correlated with higher crime rates (including stealing cars).

So, while your conclusion, namely "you don't have a right to other people's things" is correct, your premise (in colour, above) is garbage

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But was it violent?

I can assure you it often is.....the fact you need to ask is telling - an indication of low IQ - or an ideologically-crippled brain.

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So now you want to truncate what I said, to ignore the "if". If that is an example of your "logical analysis" it is fatally flawed. Grin

Cor blimey, your self-deception is something to behold: you have identied "if" as your escape word; I have never taught blacks they have an excuse to commit crime because whites' smashed their culture (as Keating said), the issue is how to fix the high poverty rate and correlated crime rates NOW.

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But I reiterate "Criminal Responsibility" is different. Roll Eyes

Halfwit: poverty IS correlated with high crime rates (which you "have never denied" (sic) ; so criminal responsibility is also related to poverty.

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Ah. You mean poverty is not always with us? Please show where this nirvana exists in the real world. Roll Eyes

Ah-ha; so poverty and war is merely part of the human condition.

Classic brain-dead Conservatism.

Hint: there is no actual scarcity of essential resources (to prevent eradication of poverty) in the modern AI and IT assisted economy.

The problem is the mal-distribution of those resources, as determinded by obsolete neoclassical economic dogma.

(The solo bootmaker competing to make boots in 'invisible hand' markets doesn't exist anymore in the modern global supply-chain economy).

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #266 - Nov 18^th, 2024 at 2:14pm

Where did I ever mention 'tough on crime'?

I'm the one looking for answers here - one of which may be separating the criminals from their roots so as to alter their social conditioning - too late for most already ............................ (distant thunder) ....... maybe 10% are worth saving...

Once a child has grown into the way of life of the criminal, from a background that encourages and teaches that - and who else would teach those youngsters to throw spears at one another in earnest and with considerable training - how will that child ever become anything else .... especially when the alternative avenues of socialisation, such as school and proper interaction in a mature way ... are not only ignored but actively put aside as being The Way Of The Enemy.

Driving the Old Girl to the hospie today for her heart monitor - and an ODS (Obligatory Dopey Sheila- two throttle settings - 0 or full on) went past us like a rocket sled on rails right up to the car in front of her in the flow....... my heroine ... SHE felt no obligation to abide by rules set up by mere MEN or drive the way MEN consider reasonable .... speed limits PTUI!!

Same here - these kids REFUSE, upon being indoctrinated that way - to accept The White Man's Way, but are, instead, indoctrinated into the way of permanent demanding and whining and victimhood until they are given things for free from The Cargo Cult.

Don't try to tell me those kids transported to Darwin to a brand new (Labor type) facility, who trashed it in the first half hour - were not TOLD to do just that in their WAR on Whartey as the Fearless Warriors they are in The Resistance.

Australia has to realise that these groups have declared war on it and on us all..... using these kids as their - not even cannon fodder because they are molly-coddled until they commit a series of serious crimes or kill someone - front line troops attacking and stealing from The White Man's Way and refusing schooling The White Man's Way etc..... you cannot convince me that their 'elders' and 'parents' - who clearly do nothing to stop this - are not actively encouraging it.

Heads in the sand - bleach in the eyes - go for it... I'm Telling You So Right Now! You are allowing and paying for an enemy within - when you should be looking at a Two State Solution - where both can do their own thing without interference from the other.....

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #267 - Nov 18^th, 2024 at 3:53pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

1. poverty doesn't excuse crime, it's one cause of crime.

It has nothing to do with the age of criminal responsibility. The topic of this thread. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

Lee: Being poor, living in poverty does not lead to stealing cars.
So, while your conclusion, namely "you don't have a right to other people's things" is correct, your premise (in colour, above) is garbage

Once again you misquote. That is why no-one takes you seriously. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

I can assure you it often is.....the fact you need to ask is telling - an indication of low IQ - or an ideologically-crippled brain.

So it often is, which makes it sometimes not. Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

They do not have an excuse. You really can't discern between "wants" and "needs". Until such time as you can you are really a waste of time and space. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

Halfwit: poverty IS correlated with high crime rates (which you "have never denied" (sic) ; so criminal responsibility is also related to poverty

The thread is about the AGE of criminal responsibility. Something you try studipously to ignore. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

Ah-ha; so poverty and war is merely part of the human condition.

Can you show where it has never been that way? Boy talk about dumb. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

The problem is the mal-distribution of those resources, as determinded by obsolete neoclassical economic dogma.

You forgot to add those dictators who just believe might is right. Grin

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Reply #268 - Nov 19^th, 2024 at 12:00pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 2:14pm:

Where did I ever mention 'tough on crime'?

The 'tough on crime' approach is the alternative to the 'luvvy Left' approach to crime, which you despise.

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I'm the one looking for answers here - one of which may be separating the criminals from their roots so as to alter their social conditioning - too late for most already ............................ (distant thunder) ....... maybe 10% are worth saving...

Wishy-washy: and you are already down to "10% worth saving".

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Once a child has grown into the way of life of the criminal, from a background that encourages and teaches that -

And you have to understand WHY the child is in that situation, before you can fix the problem.

Now - back to lee, whose blind ideology and low IQ combine to render him incapable of understanding WHY the child is in that situation....

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Re: Lowering the age of crim responsibility
Reply #269 - Nov 19^th, 2024 at 12:48pm

lee wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 3:53pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 18^th, 2024 at 12:03pm:

1. poverty doesn't excuse crime, it's one cause of crime.

It has nothing to do with the age of criminal responsibility. The topic of this thread. Roll Eyes

Crippled Conservative brain, incapable of examining correlations (eg between poverty and crime), and also incapable of examining the causes of crime and the consequent debate re age of criminal responsibility.

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Once again you misquote. That is why no-one takes you seriously. Grin

Crippled Conservative egg-head lawyer brain: show how "you don't have a right to take other peoples' things" is a "misquote" of what you said.

That will be fun to watch...

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So it often is, which makes it sometimes not. Grin

Low IQ attempt at egghead lawyer act; the point is the public are outraged by youth crime, while lawyers, aided and abetted by ignorant politicians, drum up business in courts via diversions such as 'age of criminal responsibility'.

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They do not have an excuse.

ie, because whartey smashed their culture beginning in 1788.....correct; but the question is how to fix the high crime rates among blacks now.

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You really can't discern between "wants" and "needs". Until such time as you can you are really a waste of time and space. Roll Eyes

Crippled, low IQ brain.

They want their culture back, which is impossible; and they need above-poverty participation in the economy, which is what we all need.

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The thread is about the AGE of criminal responsibility. Something you try studipously to ignore. Roll Eyes

Explained at the top, not ignored: interconnectedness of poverty (and its causes) , crime (and its causes), and 'age of criminal responsibility'. Even graps has a better understanding of these things:

Graps: " Once a child has grown into the way of life of the criminal, from a background that encourages and teaches that -

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Can you show where it has never been that way? Boy talk about dumb. Roll Eyes

The crippled Conservative brain extraordinaire: no vision, and no desire to support the UNUDHR (created in 1948, which is a marker of progress on the path from barbarity to a half-decent human civilization..)

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TGD:

The problem is the mal-distribution of those resources, as determinded by obsolete neoclassical economic dogma

.

You forgot to add those dictators who just believe might is right. Grin

Crippled, low IQ Conservative brain, not capable of addressing the point made, so diverts to a Libertarian fantasy of volutary agreement among self-interested individuals, with poverty (and war) being a natural state.

A deplorable diversion from a member of the species 'homo sapiens' - more like 'homo ignoramus'...

Have another shot at addressing it:

The problem is the mal-distribution of (available) resources, as determinded by obsolete neoclassical economic dogma.

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